Re: Lucy has a large bladder stone
i mentioned to my regular vet on our last visit that Puff daddy has oxalate crystals (chinese alt. medicine vet diagnosed that last year when i was going to him for alternative treatments) so he gets potassium citrate while the ones with struvite crystals get vit c in their diet. all get 200 iu e daily also. he mentioned to be careful what food I feed as most diets are geared for preventing struvite crystals. nobody gets dry food ever since 3 got blocked. Good luck to Lucy !! barbara
Re: Lucy has a large bladder stone
my vet is off today so can't ask him. have you called another vet just to inquire whether there's any test to determine or why it would not show up in the tests your vet did. Your vet should not balk at a second opinion. unfortunately it's just the costs. I've learned my vet is not totally up to date on all things.(he didn't know about the new felv+-fip vaccine mentioned on here last week, was it? or was it fiv?) Likewise when Jelly roll got sick, I was the one to bring up going to a specialist. the vet at that time I was seeing, was like, oh sure--do that. (but why didn't she suggest it???) My sister also had same problem with a cat not eating wet food. she cooked up that calcium rich chicken broth of frazer's (tho didn't do the end step of bone mashing because bones were still too hard--I've never been able to get that step either--must buy strong chickens)and her cat actually liked it-good thiing because she hates to cook--so now he eats it and she's tapered off on the broth and he doesn't seem to miss it on the canned food. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Lucy has a large bladder stone I wish I could get her to eat wet food. She won't at all. I also wish I could figure out definitively what kind of stone she has so I know if I am doing the right thing by doing the struvite dissolution diet. If anyone has any tips of getting a better diagnosis, please let me know. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 2/10/05 9:46:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nobody gets dry food ever since 3 got blocked. Good luck to Lucy !! barbara
So sorry about Simon
Dear Michelle, I am really sorry Simon died. It's taken me awhile to let you know because who among us hasn't been there, done that, second guessed up to twenty times wondering if we were doing the right thing, everything we could do for our beloved cats infected with this horrible virus. In the end, it comes down to we do the best we can. We do more than those miserable awful people one sees on television or in news articles about starving their pets-deliberately ignoring a dying animal that for some mysterious reason they decided in the first place to bring home and call their own. This past week while "clean sweeping" my office, I came across all the photos of my felv+ cats who have passed away and missed them all--all over again. But just like Simon, if you had not found him to love,all would have died so many years ago without having any chance at catnip mouses, feather toys, red dot lazer pointers, all they can eat food dishes, maid service at the litter box and warm comfy laps to rule their kingdoms from. He always sounded like such a wonderful cat in your emails and I'm sure that courageous little loving soul railed against the disease racking his body but never never against the people who loved him. Barbara who misses Jelly Roll, Lenny, Skippy (but just knows those little demonic angels are sneaking up on their dog buddy Maddy topounce on her sensitive toes so she'll jump up and leave that nice warm spot in the grass for them to snooze on)
Re: life spans of positives
Lenny almost made it to her first birthday--but she was always a very thin undersized cat. I rescued her along with Jelly roll and his two sisters from a local pound where they were very sick. Jelly Roll died last Nov at 2 1/2. (other sister died suddenly at 3 months from ?). Princess who is negative is still with me. Skippy was around 8 months old -developed fip. I wish I could have had them as long as four years or 9 or 13. I'm just glad I did get to know them. There were 3 kittens a local rescue asked me to take in who all were already showing signs of jaundice by the time I was notified-so 3 different times had kittens die before 3 months old. barbara
Re: Lysine question
i give princess (jelly roll's sister who is still negative-just got her test results back yesterday)500 1x daily for her sneezing. i use solgar capsules and open them up and spread in her food. i looked thru my vets guide tonatural remedies for cats and one dr for herpes said 250-500 a day, the second said 250 2x daily for average sized cat. before reading on this list that others gave their +'s lysine, i didn't (and actually keep forgetting to add it to clancy's routine). my book mentioned it's good for inflammatory conditions of the gums like stomatitis. i'd suggest opening the capsule and sprinkling half of it in his food and mixing up really really good. clancy my remaining postive eats his pills and capsules in those pill pockets but i've learned i've got to watch him with capsules as once he's crunched down on them,the powder spills out. barbara
Re: Wellness - is it any good anymore?
i still feed the turkey and the beef and chicken to my cats but since there's 7, i'm splitting two cans among them(plus activa life-or what I have left since that co. went out of business, merrick and Petguard premium). haven't had the problems you mention. barbara
Re: What's you number?
had two dogs-maddy died from cancer last year-so now just Frasier who's 12 or 13(pound rescue) so we're looking for a buddy but not actively and down to 7 kitties-only 1 positive(trying to catch him again to get him tested as hoping what worked for mr. bean has worked on clancy)--had 9--tho when i used to foster kittens i once had 17 kittens running around here. (plus my gang). (the lab mix-Maddy-loved it--lots of snacks by licking faces-and all other parts--after the kittens started switching to solids). barbara
Re: UTI's
i give mine Vit C (actually Belfied's MegaC plus) for the struvite crystals. the one cat that had oxalate crystals gets potassium citrate. they all get 200 iu Vit E daily in their food. No one gets any dry food anymore so have not had any more flutd problems(knock on wood!) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: UTI's No, she's never had it before. One of the foods I feed them is Wysong Uretic, which is one of the better healthy brands' formula for preventing crystals. Maybe I will stop feeding the other stuff for a while and see if limiting it to just that helps. Both Simon and my negative, Quincy, had struvite crystals at different points and giving antibiotics along with limiting to that food seemed to do the trick. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/05 11:39:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I learned about interstitial cystitis, I'm much more suspicious about bladder issues now. It COULD be a bacterial infection, but it could be struvite or oxalate crystals. Or, as in my Smoky's case, it could just be the whim of the gods. Has she had bacterial infections before? Even if you can't get a sample right now, I highly recommend switching her to the s/o diet sooutbreaks will be severely limited if not eliminated.
Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack
two/3 months ago i purchased a case of eagle pack canned food and one of the cans had botulism. i called the company and they immediately responded--sent me a coupon for a whole case, paid me to send back the can and contents if i still had them(i did-in the refrig) . I had been preoccupied and opened the can and the smell-peey! adn then saw bottom of can had popped. they wanted the original contents and can to trace the shipment to figure out what happened. actually what i later realized probably happened was that particular can was not part of the purchased case but among the loose freebies given me by a store owner from her sales rep--so it was probably older. my cats still eat the chicken and lamb cans. so still sounds like a responsible company to me... barbara - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Wellness and Eagle Pack I just found out from a dog board I belong to that these companies have been bought out. Wellness was bought out in 2003 and by 2004, all the original family who started the company had been fired (4 months ago). I stopped using Wellness about that time because I got 5 cases of canned food from their new plant that my cats would not eat. The ones that finally ate the food started having minor bacterial infections. I am not sure the infections are food related but I was concerned enough to drop Wellness and go to Eagle Pack. I had no idea the food had changed. Now, Eagle Pack has to be watched. If I learn any more about this, I will post it. Let's just hope that whoever bought these fine companies will maintain their integrity.
Re: Simon is having a good morning
We love hearing purr-fectly good news. Sneak some roast beef slices for us, buddy. Way to go! Mr. Bean, Clancy, Puff Daddy, Dopey, Milk dud, Dieffenbacher, and Princess 7-Layer Eatsalot and oh yeah, our human-Barbara
Re: Injured Leeloo not eating-- Important
maybe calicivirus? i copied some info from a google search. when i fostered kittens sometimeone would start to limp and that was the usual diagnosis. Calicivirus has also been found in cats with lymphocytic-plasmacytic gingivitis and stomatitis . The superficial lesions heal rapidly, and the infected cat regains appetite 2-3 days after onset. The clinical course usually is 7-10 days. An acute febrile response, inappetence, and depression are common signs. Serous rhinitis and conjunctivitis also can occur. - Original Message - From: Steve Williams To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Injured Leeloo not eating-- Important It's a back left leg. We assumed and the vet assumed she injured herself as it happened overnight and the vet wrote "probable fracture at left stifle". I think it was hard for the vet to feel the injury since it was at the leg joint. I'm trying to get a hold of the vet. steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:53 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Injured Leeloo not eating-- Important Is it a front leg? Are you sure it is a fracture? Apparently there is some disease that kittens sometimes get that makes them limp on a front leg and they need a particular treatment-- I am not sure if it is an antibiotic. The woman who runs the shelter where my cats came from mentioned to me the other day that she euthanized a few kittens for this problem years ago before finding out it was a treatable condition. I thought you had known she injured herself. Michelle
Re: My current Guilt
time to get the book Fall of Freddie the Leaf. that's what the grief counsellors always told the parents and teachers to read to the elementary school kids for help in explaining the circle of life. It will definitely be at your local library. i'd also suggest having a little funeral for the mouse to help your son. have you also read him the poem about the Rainbow Bridge? and even qualified animal rescuers don't save all teh animals they rescue so dont' beat yourself up over this. and what was that really weird book Gary Larson wrote about a little girl who thought she was helping to rescue some reptile and do the totally wrong thing to save it?(like it was not a water animal and she put it in the water so it drowned) you in essence did "no harm" other than kept him from being part of the food chain when some predator would have found him in a weak condition and ate him instead. barbara
Re: OT: My current Guilt
sometimes I get to hear the stories of how my foster kittens were rescued. two women who clean the bathrooms at a local state park/beach were leaving the parking lot and noticed a cardboard box. they almost left without checking but decided, "aw go get it". inside were two shivering kittens. this was in the dead of winter. they survived. they were meant to die by whatever lunatic dropped them off because even tho the restaurant stays open at the park, it is used very very rarely. another kitten came to the shelter via a mom who was obviiously not well off--rusted car-grubby clothes-small whining toddler w/ filthy face--told our supervisor who was having a really really bad day that they couldn't afford the vet bills and the kitten-maybe 4 weeks old-was not as active as it had been. the shelter had had over a dozen animals dumped on them that day--all grown and all sick. supervisor said couldn't fit in this tiny kitten.(she felt this family would just turn around and adopt another kitten somewhere as they just didn't want to pay the vet bills--PLUS there was also a scare of distemper in the area that summer). I was there for whatever reason and followed the mom out to her car. she was crying and I fell for it and took the kitten immediately to vet to make sure no distemper. he perked up and was a little pig. meanwhile no one at shelter knew I had the kitten. they get a phone call and a visit in person from this woman's very angry husbandwho wasshowing signs of being "under some influence" threatening them wanting his kittten back. they had no idea but teh supervisor remembered, "oh damn Barbara was here." but said that was just another adopter looking for a kitten who claimed to be a volunteer who took your kitten. the guy cursing, spilled the beans that the baby had thrown the kitten against the wall. never knew or cared if baby or the drunk guy--I kept that kitten til it went to a good home. The woman I realized later, showed signs of being abused, she still cared enough to rescue the kitten. I always think about her and wish I had been smart enough to know how to rescue her. another group of kittens came to me via two restaurant waitresses who saw the group being thrown from a car in their parking lot. crying kids in the back of a station wagon and the mom just tossed the kittens one by one--right by a very busy roadway. they think they found them all. thank goodness they had a very understanding boss who let them take over an hour to catch them. You did the best you could with the mouse. that's all any of us can do. Perhaps when you have time, you can google how to care for wildlife. spring is coming and that means baby birds falling out of nests,etc. a very helpful wildlife rehabilitator on the animals board on ebay always shows up to help with info how to and what not to do with animals. she made me feel better about a tiny tiny baby snake I found who died. I know a squirrel rescuer thru my vet--why those darn things always find me when I'm out walking with my dogs--so i can call her to make sure should I bring it to her or not. Frankly if you can catch a wild mouse, that probably meant he was not in good shape. take care, barbara
Re: Simon today
Michelle, I pray for you and Simon every day. stay strong for him. barbara
OMIGOD MR BEAN IS NEGATIVE
sorry for shouting. just came back from walking my dog and there was a phone message-the vet said, got back the bloodwork and Mr. Bean's leukemia test came back negative. omigod omigod omigod and of course being the cynic i am i keep waiting for the other shoe to drop or rather the disaster that will take its(leukemia's) place I contacted the vet's office that did his CBC a few years ago to get those records so I can go over them with my vet. (he was originally at the other office but now has his own practice.) (dont' remember exactly what his CBC was last time other than the devastating news he was postive because in between those years, my dad died, had to take care of my mom with parkinson's and then her dying and one kitty dying from fip, 2 from leukemia and then my dog with her cancer. ) should have gotten Clancy tested again while I had him there at the vet since he still hates his mommy for vet catch game yesterday. he's my only other postive knock on wood...it would be so great if he wasn't positive because it woudl mean I could foster again. waiting to hear back from my vet who was w/ an appt. guess I will reorder that ambrotose though! barbara
Re: I'm worried abt Levi
mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (or whatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit B6 25 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cut their nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me. read something gross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and reported how the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him insane. okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it is to try to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we can get them. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high fiving paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn the dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over his head during the chase... barbara
Re: Re:Levi - re: Barbara's reply
now 5:45. back from the vet's. (3:30 appt) yeah, it was alot of fun. of course the little terrors all were very sweet THERE. at home trying to catch themKamikaze artists--(no guys you can't bust thru the glass windows, no don't go into the oven, no-jumping in the toilet is not a good thing..yes, everybody sniff the catnip and ooh look, turkey in the cat carriers. go IN. I know the housecleaners think I do dope what with all the catnip sprinkled all over the houseI understand that much spanish) and of course the tiniest one went into the huge carrier I needed for the big bruiser will know what's up with the bloodwork on Mr. Bean tomorrow hopefully to see if any good news. bad news is I have to catch3 again for dental work. after Bean's bloodwork the vet said using oh heck what was it? percoram? I have seen it mentioned on this list--for his inflamed mouth. all were good weight and good eyes. no mites! He also asked me to look into transfer factor. everybody hates mommy tonight, though Barbara - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re:Levi - re: Barbara's reply Barbara you're flipped! Thanks for the giggles!Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (orwhatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit B625 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cuttheir nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me. read somethinggross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and reportedhow the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him insane.okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it is totry to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we can getthem. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high fivingpaws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turnthe dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over hishead during the chase...barbara Do you Yahoo!?Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today!
Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply
Mr. Bean tested positive a few years back. I just want to see if anything going on-any difference what with all the vits and supplements he's been getting for 3 yrs. peroxicam. that's it. if I get the gel cap can I puncture it and just mix it in his food as this is one cat that doesn't like the pill pocket for meds. Barbara
Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!
Title: Message Oh gosh, poor Claudia. here's hoping the morning brings great news of full recovery! Barbara
Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply
thanks for the info. i'll mix it in fish flavored canned food. barbara
Re: Simon got chemo today
good news and miracles do happen. Go Simon! and yes, enjoy him. (so much easier said than done sometimes when this crappy virus takes over our babies and our fears overtake us) barbara and her kitties who still hate their mommy after today's vet appt.
Re: MSM
i give it to my 13 yr old dog 1x daily as prevention for arthritis. never read about giving it to cats. I have to hide it in liverwurst. he goes for a check up next week and i am going to ask for x rays to see how he's doing as I've noticed limping very very occassionally. barbara - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: MSM Do any of you give MSM to your cats? If so, do you find it helpful and if so, what results do you get? Do you give it long term or short term?
Re: Simon's rally
I am amazed at the strength of your cat but feel he must get it from his very brave owner! don't know medically what to do-but going with your heart and mind seems to have worked in the past. I wish you all well. Barbara
Re: Sharing food
wait wait don't get stressed reading what I wrote. remember I am no doctor. have no medical training. I oly have the books and the wonderful people on this list and the internet to guide me. my cats all share litter boxes and i have 2 postiives and 5 negatives-and the little monsters run to each other's plates--I just to keep them from sharing. And i also just remembered that Clancy who is one of my postives gave Dopey a very nasty puncture wound 2 0r 3 years ago that I came home from a weekaway taking care of my mom to find Dopey with a huge -oh what the heck is it called?-a big squishy abscess on her back. she still is negative. I now have Dopey separated as she fights with Clancy who is usually a big baby --more so for just peace of mind in the household here. lysine is a supplement and I sound like an idiot to say I dont' know what it is exactly but even my non-holistic vet recommended it. I can't look it up in one of my books right now as I have to run to post office. if no one else explains by time I get back this evening I will look it up. adn I'm sorry. I forget what exactly is your situation with your pets-how many and which are +/-? barbara oops remind me i have to get more gingko while i'm downtown - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Sharing food All, 5 share boxes and they all share food, now I am worried. What is Lysine? What does it do for Princess?Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i do not let mine share food dishes because the little buggers lick their plates and to me, that's "sharing saliva"(tho they do try claiming they're starving!!) ...however nothing i can do about litter boxes sharing in a mixed household. Jelly roll tested negative at 8 wks old then was positive a year later even tho he'd had vacs and was on vit c and other supplements. he came from a litter of 3 and his biggest sister died at 12 weeks and i never had an autopsy done. his other sister, Princess who is negative(knock on wood), does have feline herpes-and red that runs from her eyes and sneezes if I dont' keep her on lysine 2x day 500 mg. barbara - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Sharing food Hi, I am curious since all of this has happened with Snowball and now Amber, I have read numerous things, it is said that if cats share foods, the uninfected cat can be infected, but I have also read and heard from this group that the FeLV virus pretty much dies as soon as it hits air. When I asked my vet she said prolonged nose to nose contact and a bite from the infected cat, I am confused, can someone give my some correct information. Thank you Cherie
Re: Quimble Only Has a Few Days Left...
even tho there's a waiting list, tell them to try Angels Gate in Fort Salonga Northport. Long Island. perhaps if the poster sounds desperate enough they'll take him in. did they post on petfinder also? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Quimble Only Has a Few Days Left... Hi FeLV Talk List Group, I found an ad posted on the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens website and thought you might be interested. Click on the link below to view the details: http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?re quest=detailwebsite=defaultid=10893 Hi All, Just thought I'd see if there were any resources out there for this guy, seems a shame he may not make it. Call in your favors if you have any. Thanks Belinda Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have put up a website where anyone may post a FeLV/FIV/FIP cat/kitten they are fostering or are in need of finding a new home for. We are providing this FREE service because many of these cats are automatically euthanized when they test positive. Many cats/kittens that test positive live healthy, long, quality lives. With preventative treatment many cats that would otherwise be euthanized can and do live many years of quality life, and make loving, wonderful pets. If you find yourself in a situation with a FeLV/FIV/FIP positive Cat/Kitten and for reasons beyond your control can't keep them, we'd like to offer you the opportunity to try and find a loving home for your Cat/Kitten. It doesn't cost you anything and you may save the life of a wonderful, loving cat/kitten and make another families life happy and complete. I personally am owned by a FeLV positive kitty, Bailey. He found me at my work place almost 7 years ago, he is a happy, HEALTHY cat. He has brought great joy to our lives (and his brothers and sisters, we have 6 kitties), for the last 7 years. Had he found some one else his life may have ended 7 years ago, what a shame and waste that would have been. I know that someday he MAY get sick and I'll lose him to this disease, but then again he MAY NOT get sick and he will enrich our lives for many more years to come. Whatever is in the future, we take one day at a time, that's all you can do. Please pass this information on to every animal lover you know, join us in the crusade to save lives. To post an ad go to: http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi The ONLY condition we have is; we DO NOT allow 'FREE TO GOOD HOME ADS', there is good reason for this. Many times animals offered Free to good homes wind up in the hands of people who turn around and sell them to labs, where they suffer horrible fates. Then you have those that are looking for animals to use as bait for training their fighting dogs (an illegal activity, but still goes on everywhere), or maybe food for their pet snake. Also you run the very real risk of an animal abuser taking your loved pet home and torturing it anytime they please until they tire of it and kill it. These people have been known to show up at your door with families (including children) in tow. These are ALL VERY REAL POSSIBILITIES THAT HAPPEN EVERYDAY! For more information on the dangers of 'FREE TO GOOD HOME ADS', please visit this website: http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html If you have posted a 'FREE TO GOOD HOME AD', please return and change it. To join our support group (people owned by FeLV, FIV or FIP positive kitties), go to: http://www.felineleukemia.org/mail.html. Thank you for caring. If you have any questions, please contact me Ad Administrator Belinda Sauro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quimble Only Has a Few Days Left...
here's the link http://angelsgate.org/ phone 631-269-7641 [EMAIL PROTECTED] founder's name is Susan Marino. - Original Message - From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Quimble Only Has a Few Days Left... even tho there's a waiting list, tell them to try Angels Gate in Fort Salonga Northport. Long Island. perhaps if the poster sounds desperate enough they'll take him in. did they post on petfinder also? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Quimble Only Has a Few Days Left... Hi FeLV Talk List Group, I found an ad posted on the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens website and thought you might be interested. Click on the link below to view the details: http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?re quest=detailwebsite=defaultid=10893 Hi All, Just thought I'd see if there were any resources out there for this guy, seems a shame he may not make it. Call in your favors if you have any. Thanks Belinda Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have put up a website where anyone may post a FeLV/FIV/FIP cat/kitten they are fostering or are in need of finding a new home for. We are providing this FREE service because many of these cats are automatically euthanized when they test positive. Many cats/kittens that test positive live healthy, long, quality lives. With preventative treatment many cats that would otherwise be euthanized can and do live many years of quality life, and make loving, wonderful pets. If you find yourself in a situation with a FeLV/FIV/FIP positive Cat/Kitten and for reasons beyond your control can't keep them, we'd like to offer you the opportunity to try and find a loving home for your Cat/Kitten. It doesn't cost you anything and you may save the life of a wonderful, loving cat/kitten and make another families life happy and complete. I personally am owned by a FeLV positive kitty, Bailey. He found me at my work place almost 7 years ago, he is a happy, HEALTHY cat. He has brought great joy to our lives (and his brothers and sisters, we have 6 kitties), for the last 7 years. Had he found some one else his life may have ended 7 years ago, what a shame and waste that would have been. I know that someday he MAY get sick and I'll lose him to this disease, but then again he MAY NOT get sick and he will enrich our lives for many more years to come. Whatever is in the future, we take one day at a time, that's all you can do. Please pass this information on to every animal lover you know, join us in the crusade to save lives. To post an ad go to: http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi The ONLY condition we have is; we DO NOT allow 'FREE TO GOOD HOME ADS', there is good reason for this. Many times animals offered Free to good homes wind up in the hands of people who turn around and sell them to labs, where they suffer horrible fates. Then you have those that are looking for animals to use as bait for training their fighting dogs (an illegal activity, but still goes on everywhere), or maybe food for their pet snake. Also you run the very real risk of an animal abuser taking your loved pet home and torturing it anytime they please until they tire of it and kill it. These people have been known to show up at your door with families (including children) in tow. These are ALL VERY REAL POSSIBILITIES THAT HAPPEN EVERYDAY! For more information on the dangers of 'FREE TO GOOD HOME ADS', please visit this website: http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html If you have posted a 'FREE TO GOOD HOME AD', please return and change it. To join our support group (people owned by FeLV, FIV or FIP positive kitties), go to: http://www.felineleukemia.org/mail.html. Thank you for caring. If you have any questions, please contact me Ad Administrator Belinda Sauro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Growler
so sorry for the loss of your furbaby. January is really a cruel month. take care, Barbara
Re: anyone else use ambrotose ?
Title: Message sorry so late to thank everyone who took the time to help me debate over continuing the use of this. I'm going to schedule some bloodwork for Mr. Bean to see what's happening if any change in him and will then go from there. thanks, Barbara
Re: I told my son
sorry in all my mail box i could not find the original email about how old your son was however there were a few children's books dealing with deaths of pets--perhaps your library has them or if you live near one of those chain stores where one can read a book without buying it you can find them. i remember one was The Tenth good thiing about Barney. (sorry been a long time since i owned a bookstore and my memory has deleted all kinds of info) So sorry again for the loss of your family's beloved Snowball. barbara
Re: Simon stopping chemo and does not have long
Sending prayers for you and Simon. I'm so sorry. Barbara
Re: Simon is eating
I truly believe everyone's prayers helped Jelly Roll and me have some good days. so glad you have this time for some joy. Barbara
anyone else use ambrotose ?
my Chinese alternative medicine vet a few years ago recommended ambrotose along with some chinese immune enhancer. (he would never tell me the name of the chinese drug only saying he made it up himself). I tried both and Mr. Bean is doing okay-occassional minor pickiness at foodtime but I just usually have to swish the left over food around in the bowl and he comes back thinking i added new stuff. Mr. Bean is 7 years old and not 100% sure when he became positive--what happened was gingivitis and made our regular vet do bloodwork and when it came back positive, surprised us both. (bean was my first foster and had been tested as a kitten). Now he's on MegaC+, Prozyme, Vit E 200 , pet tinic, coQ10-20 mg.-all daily, vit a d 1x week and i only feed canned-wellness, merrick, eagle and no fish content.He's affectionate, fur is good adn he loves to play. He does stick his tongue out most of the time so i have to check his mouth for gingivitis. clancy will eat any pill if put in a pill pocket and his age is undetermined-probably 7-8 yrs old now-came as a rescue foster and never left--was told he has allergies and that he had tested negative and utd on shots. only discovered he was postive when had to test my cats 3 years ago for potential blood donors. usually fine until wintertime and then bumps all over his skin. read this year to give him VitB 6 25 mcg and also the salmon oil capsules. everyone also gets Dancing paws Edible coat conditioner. I almost got thru a whole bag of missing link with the gang but they started leaving their food so switched to prozyme. clancy's skinisgreatand nowthe bottle of B6 is almost gone. I stopped the chinese herb about a year ago--as most ofthe cats hated the taste.(vet is an hour away adn all the cats scream the whole way plus discovered I could get the ambrotose for less than half the price he was charging me from the company online. my question after all this is about the ambrotose. should I reoder it? Jelly Roll was on it but he died last Nov. i had his sister Princess on it even tho she is negative--her only problem is her eyes--she has herpes which flares up and red runs from her eyes but it never seems to bother her. I hadn't planned on keeping her but the shelter thought no one would ever adopt her until her eyes cleared up so I kept her and even tho she rules the household-I have never regretted it. she gets Lysine 500 mg 2xday. if I forget her sneezing starts up and the snot flies. I did find halo pets eyewash helped clear up the problem but for a sweet cat, she turns into vampire kitty when it's eyedrop time and the session would stress her out and all the others so stopped. thanks for listening, Barbara
Re: food dilemma - Kerry
I've had success with those Pill Pockets-some sort of gooey capsule you can hide the pills in and also that high calcium energy broth anitra frazer has in her book. they love that when I pour some on their wet food. (tho my family complains that I never cook for them just the cats and dog...) I can't find the book right now in this black hole of an office but I think the recipe's in the archives,no? I've also cooked chicken livers and mashed them up when the gang gets finicky. knock on wood everybody's eating fine--I know the sense of anxiety and frustration full well when one of the positives starts going off their food and leaves their food dish full of expensive supplements untouched. Barbara and angels Jelly Roll, Lenny, Skippy and the devils on earth-Princess 7 Layer Eats alot, Puff Daddy, Dieffenbacher, Milk Dud, Dopey, and the +'s-Mr. Bean and Clancy...and the d*g who suffers them all-Frasier
Re: Tai has gone to the bridge
I am so sorry for your loss. I keep picturing her waking up by the bridge and luxuriating in her freedom from pain and illness and all the other furbabies we all lost this year leaping over to her and rolling and playing. You were so kind and so brave to fight against this insidious virus with her these past weeks and show her love. Barbara and Angels Jelly Roll, Lenny and Skippy
Re: kitty needs home: Northern NJ
just a suggestion, tell them also to post on the petfinder urgent board. (and angels' gate in fort salonga northport (long island) did take in a couple of felv+'s. i dont know if they have any room right now tho.
Re: CLS Service for Monday Dec. 20 2004
oh gosh i am so sorry. Such a sweet lively soul. barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: CLS Service for Monday Dec. 20 2004 Belinda, it looks like Zest did not make it to the CLS. Zest passed away at the Marley Fund House early Tuesday morning (December 14).
Re: Massive Spraying Issue!
hi, so sorry he's causing you so much stress. i have one female who stress sprays and she has her own room -small-but big enough for her needs, in the basement. unfotunately it cut off my fostering any rescues for a local shelter. i read your post right after i was unpacking xmas decorations and realized the damn cat had peed on an articial snow garland last year--i never noticed the tell tale yellow until unpacking this year. i've had Dopey since she was two weeks old and much as I love her, if i could find a single cat household for her, off she'd go-even if she is my son's cat. thanks for the input on the other meds and remedies. hope you find some solution. hope we both do. barbara - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: Re: Massive Spraying Issue! Barbara, I have seen four (4) separate veterinarians in the course of two (2) years and now I use ALL of them regularly. All of the vets are aware of each other and are informed that I am consulting with the other(s). Together we are trying to figure out what exactly the problem is. So far, we have all failed. Dartagnan gets is urine tested like clockwork once every year. The vets and me are debating on whether or not I should invest in having it tested twice a year. However, if it comes up negative once a year, then it probably will continue to be negative no matter how many time I have it ran. By continuing to have the urine tested, I am throwing money away that could be needed elsewhere. Since I reside in Southern Indiana all the veterinarians that I have dealt with use the same diagnostic laboratory: Antech Diagnostic located in Illinois. They handle most, if not all, of the Southern Indiana veterinarian values. To my knowledge, there is no one else. Unfortunately, I am EXTREMELY familiar with FLUTD, but Dartagnan tests negative. He has never had it and shows no symptoms of developing it in the future. Due to financial strain, I am feeding the kids Purina One Special Diet: Urinary Tract Health Formula. Not the best, I know, but not the absolute worst either. In the past, I have used Hill's Prescription Diet c/d and s/d, but it got too expensive for such a poor formulated cat food. Anything by Science Diet is NOT ideal when it comes to high quality/humane grade cat food. But then again, neither is Purina. Sigh. Dartagnan may very well be the youngest, but he is by far NOT the smallest! Matter of fact, he is the biggest kitty in the bunch; therefore, if anyone should feel bullied it is the others. :) I do not know HOW he got so big, but lack of genetic backgrounds comes with the territory of rescues and Dartagnan is definitely a rescue. I am beginning to understand WHY he was dumped in the first place! As far as Homeopathic and supplementation goes, all of the kids gets 1,000 mg of vitamin C, 1,000 of L-Lysine, 30 mg Q-Sorb Co Q-10 and 475 mg of Natural Whole Herb Cranberry Fruit daily. I have tried both St. John's Wort 300 mg daily and Feliway, but they did not work either. I have personally thought about Rescue Remedy, but am apprehensive about buying it as everything else has not helped, why should that? I am wasting so much money as it is and nothing has not worked yet. I would not be surprised if Rescue Remedy did not work either. Dartagnan has been a indoor kitty all of his life and would never survive outside. Besides, it is 20 degrees here in Southern Indiana and I seriously doubt he would make it through the harsh weather elements. The garage is out of the question too as it has been converted a living space according to my insurance policy and it provides additional space for the other kids. Currently, he is separated from all household furnishing by being quarantined to a Kennel Crate. It is a metal large dog style one (1) that is big enough for him and a litter box. I have a sheet draped over the back of it to prevent him from spraying in between the bars and aiming for the walls. At this point in time, he eats, sleeps and potties there. I keep the Kennel as clean as I do the litter boxes, but what a way to live! Literally confined to a box! Lora --- Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow. your cat definitely has a problem. just out of curiosity have you had his urine tested lately? and by a different vet who uses a different lab? do you feed dry food(I stopped dry altogether when 3 of my cats got Flutd) and no fish in any of the canned foods. (fish is hidden in alot of chicken/turkey/beef canned foods--it's on the labels) Also no organ meats and no yeast. Anitra Frazier's book has alot of info on inappropriate spraying. have you also tried over on the holisticat website? or asked on their mailing list? I'm also wondering because he is the youngest that maybe some of the others are bullying him. one of my cats had alkaline crystals
Re: Massive Spraying Issue!
i'm currently test driving that on dopey who manages to wiggle out of hers. she just keeps rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling but i put duct tape on my shopping list today to keep that piddle pants on her. so at least I get some entertainment out of it. the other cats just sit around on high somewhere nearby and watch also. barbara ps just kidding about the duct tape, folks!
Re: Massive Spraying Issue!
wow. your cat definitely has a problem. just out of curiosity have you had his urine tested lately? and by a different vet who uses a different lab? do you feed dry food(I stopped dry altogether when 3 of my cats got Flutd) and no fish in any of the canned foods. (fish is hidden in alot of chicken/turkey/beef canned foods--it's on the labels) Also no organ meats and no yeast. Anitra Frazier's book has alot of info on inappropriate spraying. have you also tried over on the holisticat website? or asked on their mailing list? I'm also wondering because he is the youngest that maybe some of the others are bullying him. one of my cats had alkaline crystals, the other had acidic--so one gets vitamin C the other gets potassium citrate. they both get 400 IU Vit E 1x week and 10,000 A and 400 units Vit D once a week. Have you tried Rescue Remedy at all? I've been researching thru books for my one female cat who stress sprays. I know her problem is I have too many cats for her liking. Just recently read about St John's wort and phenylalanine in the Veterinarians's guide to natural remedies for Cats-Martin Zucker. book also mentions B12 folic. (st johns' -100 milligrams 2x day, phenylalnine 100 milligrams 2x day, B12 folic -each capsule contains 800 micrograms of both nutrients-give equilvalent of about 200 micrograms of each nutrient-1/4 capsule--the book is referring to a specific b12 folic tha's sold thru health professionals but can use stuff sold at health food stores.) So that's what I'm off to buy tomorrow. in the meantime can you put the cat in a garage? or outside? barbara
Re: kurt needing help
Good morning, Sending many many good wishes and vibes for a full recovery for Kurt --take care of yourself also. So sorry you are going through this bad time right now. best wishes, Barbara - Original Message - From: maca cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: kurt needing help hello everybody, i ave been mostly lurking lately, and as alwzys i have felt for every loss and smiled for every good news. only work and tha cats don't give me much spare time to write. i am writing out of desperation now. my oldest one (10 yo), Kurt, is very sick. he is suppossed to be neg for Felv and Fiv (last test was a month ago, but we don't have IFA available here, so I am not completely sure). a month ago he had a general infection that cleared after a hard week of fever and pain on all his little body . he lost weight, but regained some during the past 3 weeks. then again last saturday he started decaying again, but this time with anemia and fever. blood test confirmed haemobartonella, with hematocrit of 24, which is not critical, but the fever doesn't go down with anything and i have been force feeding for 5 days now. Whenever we had cases of haemobart before, they were much better after 5 days of treatment. i am using doxy and homeopathy as well. my vet will come in an hour to put a line with saline, as he seems very dehydrated. what I am asking for is your good vibes and any advice you can give. kurt is my special one, the one that showed me that cats are not pets, but family. he is the love of my life of cats, and i am not prepared for loosing him yet. thanks for listening macarena chile
Re: Grace is doing great!
Yeay! - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:56 AM Subject: Grace is doing great! I had to post just one more time tonight. I got up from the computer and was greeted by the sight of Grace racing through the house! She's acting like a kitten again. She hasn't felt this good in what seems like a very long time. I'm so thrilled! I just watched her swipe at our huge street cat Kimba, and then throw herself on the ground and roll with abandon. It's hard to believe she seemed at deaths door just two Mondays ago. Could it be the VO?! I'm so happy, I just had to share. Keep up the prayers, they're working! Nina
Re: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT
tell her try the animal hospice in Ft. Salonga NY angels' gate i will try to find their website but if you put that info in a google it wil come up. do not even mention my name or referral. they treat the animals holistically and feed BARF diets. they won't just let the cat die-she will be loved if they have room. - Original Message - From: Denise Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: FW: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT To: My FeLV Talk List Friends: Please see email below. Below is a email from a Liho Chen, a person on my feral friend chat list, who trapped and is boarding a semi-friendly 8 month old FeLV+ kitty named Suzu. Suzu is currently being boarded at a vets office and despritely needs a permanent home. Liho is willing to transport her any where in the country if a solid permanent loving home can be found. Please reply directly to Liho at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can help Suzu. She is a light colored cubby grey tabby with a really sweet face !!! Liho can provide a picture of Suzu upon request. Thanks... Denise Uriarte Permission to crosspost. -Original Message- From: Liho Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT I recently trapped two of my ferals whom I suspect from the same litter. Tiger is a very healthy boy but Suzy was tested with FeLV. A further IFA test confirms the infection. I have already returned Tiger back to the colony but I would like to look for a good home for Suzu. Suzu is a 8-month-old semi-tame girl. Her general health condition is good. She has not shown any sign of infection. She allows me to pet on her but is still pretty shy. She does not scratch nor bite. I tried to contact a few NO-KILL shelters in Connecticut, but none of them would like to take a FeLv positive cat. I also contacted the Best Friends Animal Society in Utah but they told me that their space for FeLv positive cats is full. I also post an ad on one of the web sites for pets with special needs (http://www.bemikittens.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classfieds.cgi ) but got nothing so far. She is staying with my vet because I am not able to take her home (I have 7 at home). I desperately need resources. Please let me know if you know any place that will take good care of FeLv positive cats. I can fly her to any place in this country as long as they will take good care of her. Thanks, Liho A picture of Suzu is attached. --- COMPASSION IS THE WAY: Please support TNR (Trap/Neuter/Return) - A Humane, Effective, and Easy way to Help Feral Cats. Together -- we can make No More Homeless Pets a REALITY! --
Re: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT
you have to call them. someone on petfinder board posted kittens were dumped on her driveway. they took them in however tested postive. i told her to take them in person to the hospice and throw themselves on her mercy. she did manage to get thru in a phone call and i guess because they are senior citizens, angels gate took the cats in for them. they're always fund raising and looking for volunteers -just like everyone else--animals are $$$ esp. a ton of sick animals. you have such a great website for those cats--did you try forwarding the link so she could read the whole story? just a thought. if i didn't have dopey who sprays, i'd take your little blackies in. she's my son's cat so i have to keep HER! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT In a message dated 12/2/2004 2:20:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tell her try the animal hospice in Ft. Salonga NYangels' gate i will try to find their website but if you put that info in agoogle it wil come up. do not even mention my name or referral. they treatthe animals holistically and feed BARF diets. they won't just let the cat"die"-she will be loved if they have room. You know, I emailed them a few weeks ago and didn't get a response. Melissa º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º Adopt a special needs pet! º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºKittens and cats with Feline Leukemia need caringhomes; for more information, visit: http://www.luna-fish.com/blog/blogindex.html or http://www.marleyfund.com
Re: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT
thank god your brother will be okay. sending wishes for a speedy recovery and happy adoption thoughts to you and yours. and don'tyou have lots of photos oif the siblings cuddling up so these people can oooh and aaah and fall in love with more than one... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [FeralFriendsOnline] Advice needed for placing a FeLVpositive cat - CT In a message dated 12/2/2004 2:36:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you have to call them. someone on petfinder board posted kittens were dumped on her driveway. they took them in however tested postive. i told her to take them in person to the hospice and throw themselves on her mercy. she did manage to get thru in a phone call and i guess because they are senior citizens, angels gate took the cats in for them. they're always fund raising and looking for volunteers -just like everyone else--animals are $$$ esp. a ton of sick animals. you have such a great website for those cats--did you try forwarding the link so she could read the whole story? just a thought. if i didn't have dopey who sprays, i'd take your little blackies in. she's my son's cat so i have to keep HER! I actually have prospective adopters coming this weekend! Hopefully, they work out and will take one (maybe two, wouldn't that be great if they took a pair?). They recently lost a positive and are looking for a companion for their remaining positive. They sound really nice and are driving from Philadelphia to meet them, so wish us luck! Since I was able to board the cats at the vet, I ended up not needing to pursue the Angels Gate thing. Three is manageable right now and it looks like I won't be able to get out to CA until next year, so hopefully room becomes available with the Marley Fund by that time. My brother, who is a Marine, was injured in an explosion in Fallujah and he's currently home now in CA and recovering from surgery on his lower legs (which will be fine, thank goodness, he should heal just fine).It was looking like I might need to go over there on short notice to help take care of him but the damage isn't as bad as they first thought and he's not wheelchairbound so he told me to stay home for a while and let him adjust to being home and heal up a little first before I go and visit. So,the kittens are going to be fine here for a while, thank goodness. Should be good until space opens up at theMarley Fund and who knows, maybe they will be adopted! I can hope, can't I? Think "get adopted" thoughts for us this weekend! Melissaand the kittens in NJ º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º Adopt a special needs pet! º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºKittens and cats with Feline Leukemia need caringhomes; for more information, visit: http://www.luna-fish.com/blog/blogindex.html or http://www.marleyfund.com
Re: Mandy
I am so sorry for the pain you and your husband are feeling right now. You both have so many memories to cherish and so many good times to miss having with Mandy. I know that our furbabies at the bridge are grooming and purring over her and showing her the best place to lay in the sun and watch over us all. Barbara and angel Jelly Roll
Re: sudden kitten death - addition to CLS
i am so sorry you lost her so young. and yes when I used to foster kitttens for a rescue shelter I lost two felv negatives very suddenly each who had no signs of any illness. I am glad Endora got to share a loving life with you for awhile. and I just know my Jelly Roll is bounding up to her because he loved being a big brother. What a great name-Endora! Thank you for rescuing her. Barbara and angel Jelly Roll and his sister, Princess Seven Layer eatsalot who now hangs out with me alot since he's gone - Original Message - From: Rachel To: FELV TALK List Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: sudden kitten death - addition to CLS Please add Endora to the CLS. She is one of two kittens I took in back in October. She was about 4 months old. Last night she was fine and playful, I didn't see her this morning, just put her food out and headed to work. I came home tonight and found her dead on the floor. Has this happened to anyone? She had an upper respiratory and finished her medicine by the end of the first week of November (almost a month ago) and wasfine. Otherwise she hadn't had a problem. I've never taken in kittens this youngbefore, but I figured if they made it past 2 months, the next "hurdle" would be 1.5 to 2 years old. I never thought I could lose them so fast. Rachel Rachel "Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog" C. Doran __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Finding Sophie
hope sophie is just resting somewhere safe inside the house. one time my very first foster cat Mr. Bean disappeared for hours. just when I called the shelter to tell them I had lost my very first charge, he crawled out of the grandfather clock. even my engineer husband couldn't figure out how the darn cat did it.
Re: Hello All
I also found more info in my cat books. one vet mentions a possible taurine deficiency adn that cats with seizures probably have a need for even higher levels than what is found in cat food. suggested dosage is 500 miligram capsules 2-3 times daily. another vet suggests 125 miligram taurine with B6 and niacinamide combination 1 daily. (50 m.B6 and 10 milligrams niacinamide) another states to be aware of overdosiing on light-either too much or too little. exposure to tv/video games. suggests installing full spectrum lighting if cat is experiencing more seizures duringn shorter daylight hours. (full spectrum lights are the same you get for growing plants). some of my cats are pilled easily with those new pill pockets--sold in pet stores--either chicken or fish flavored. one of mycats even chows down a horse sized pill if wrapped in one of those things. or you can get a pill shooter from your vet. sort of a plastic plunger. just be careful to get guidance from your vet how to use. barbara - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Hello All Sorry you had to find us, but this is the best group of people you'll find for knowledge and help. If you search the archives from1998, you will find a lot of discussion of seizures etc. My Ninja started having seizures and at first they were about one every 3 weeks but after a few months of that, they accelerated to 2 and 2 weeks and then at 5 at 10 days. THAT was a bad day for both of us. I'd actually been disappointed when her toxo test was negative because toxo CAN be treated. I couldn't afford the CT, but based on the type of seizure and the acceleration, meningioma was the diagnosis we based the treatment on. We did eventually have to add phenobarbital to her mix, but the initial thing that controlled the seizures was prednisone. I don't know if it would be effective in Tux's case, but it would be something to discuss with your vet. I gather from your email that the phenobarbital is not controlling the seizures and that Tux is still on the toxo treatment??john kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just joined last night. I have a male cat named Tux that my brother found in the a dumpster last August(03'). The vet said that they thought he was 5 weeks old when we got her.Tux was fine until May of this year. One afternoon he had a seizure and we took him to the vet. Vet ran all the tests etc. and finally realized that he has toxoplasmosis. They put him on medicine for that. He continued to have seizures so they put him on phenobarbital.He has tested negative twice for FELV. However, his white blood cell count and his platelet count have been low each time. Likewise, the toxo levels have remained the same. This leads me to believe that he may have FELV since he can't fight the toxo. He acts normal except for after the seizures. He has never been outside since we have had him.I know that seizures in cats are not t! hat common. The longest he has gone without one is 6 weeks. Lately it is every 10 days or so. I'm just wondering if anyone has had any similar situations.JohnBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
Re: OT: Gary and spraying - irrepsonsible rescue group - LONG
just another possiblity. years ago we adopted a dog as a friend for our dog while livingin mexico. we had the second dog fixed down there. well we got home to the states and another neighbor's dog kept trying to climb into our yard. long story short. my american vet yelled at me that my dog was in heat. (he turned out to be crazy also because I will never forget him shoving the jar full of stuff in my face showing me proof the dog had only had a partial spay. I got another vet) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: OT: Gary and spraying - irrepsonsible rescue group - LONG There are also flank spays-- where the spaying is done through the side rather than the belly. I don't think they are very common, but they do exist so you might want to check for a scar there as well. Michelle
Re: Jelly Roll --
thank you for the info on vet board. it really digs at me that that prick told me i was over reacting. I really thank everyone for commenting because I need to know someone cares about all our loveable kitties on this list adn that I'm NOT crazy. barbara
Re: OT:Help is needed: Owner of compound for cats fret about felines' future...CA.
actually the article in the paper said the couple tried to build another compound and the city granted the permit but on condition they adhered to certain codes which would have resulted in a very large bill. the article made it sound like they are retiring and want to sell their land now--that's why they're closing their rescue operations. However I've also learned not to believe everything I read so the newspaper might have slanted the article to make it sound like this couple is giving up on helping cats. I feel bad for the cats regardless. unfortunately i'll be paying off Jelly roll's vet bills for awhile so I'm strapped. (and now Clancy the felv+ foster cat that came to stay 5 years ago is showing signs of something bothering him-problem is I can't catch the big dope.) barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: OT:Help is needed: Owner of compound for cats fret about felines' future...CA. PLEASE CROSSPOST: REPLY TO EMAIL ADDY BELOW! From: "Linda" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:18 AMSubject: please read this and help in any way you can Hi;I am trying desperately to help a cat shelter in the San Diego areathat is closingin about a week and a half.first off, forgive me if i sent you more than one email about this andforgive me if you aren't involved in any way in cat rescue.But, whether you are or aren't, Chateau Du Meow is closing!http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20031209-_1m9cats.html Apparently they are without the proper zoning permits or something tothat effect, and the city has closed them down.It is my understanding that many cats have been placed elsewhere, but Ireally can't be certain.I took a cat there myself several months ago, as he was a semi-feraland fiv+, and this shelter catered to "unadoptables," but there werealso many adoptable kitties there tooAt the time, the place really impressed me, as it was spacious comparedto others I'd seen, and the cats seemed comfortable andwell-looked-after.If you know anyone looking for a cat and wanting to save a life, thismay be a great opportunity.If you or any group with which you are affiliated can take even 1-2cats, we may be able to save them all.If you can't, perhaps you can donate $ or time to a group who could. Ican go down there this weekend (or really any day before closing) toretrieve cats for any groups or people willing to take them. I can'ttake any cats myself, as I live in a studio apt. with 3 cats already,and my bathroom is tiny and windowless.I am willing to donate some money (though not a lot) and time to helpanyone or any group who can take any of the remaining cats.Please cross-post!!Any questions, call me at: 310-686- 9010 or call Johanna at Chateau DuMeow at 858- 481-9777Thank you so much,Linda Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html
Jely Roll
I'm so sorry. I just need someone to talk to since my husband is out of town. I've been waiting forJelly's ashes to come back-to get a call from the vet that they had his ashes back--adn I really thought I was handling his passing well--giving lots of attention to the other animals here but last night I looked aat the calendar and ralized, what th eheck where is he already? I called the crematory this morning and they said he went to the specialists vet--called there--no cat. then thought let me try my regular vet jsut in case. well after searching yes they did have him since nov. 13th. no one called, the woman I just spoke to didn't even say "im sorry. I called the crematory to get whose signature is on the receiving form and will have to have a very painful discussion with the vets at my regular vet's office concerning this so no one else has to go thru this anguish. I will also be informing them (the office that has the records of my 8 pets)since my original vet had left their practice to open his own a fewmonths ago before this all happened (but I had stayed at first office because there is another good vet there)that I will be changing vets. thank god for the specialists' reception who just talked to me for 10 minutes and listened to me cry and comforted me. I know jelly's really playing in fields chasing his big sister and Lenny his adopted sister at the bridge but I still needed to have him back. sorry for typos and whatever i'm typing this without my contacs in. thanks for listening and being there. barbara and angel Jelly Roll
Jelly Roll --
i just now got the call back from the head of the vet's office that screwed up this morning. I am so mad. I cannot believe how I was talked to by this man. He was never my vet--I used a different dr. at the practice who unfortunately is away on vacation til first week in Dec and was on vacation when Jelly's ashes were returned. Get this? I'm overreacting according to Dr. Travis head partner of Ft Hill Animal Hospital in Huntington NY. Because I wasn't in their loose leaf notebook of private cremations, I was not notified. They claim they had no idea who Jelly Roll belonged to. (yeah that's a common name like Rover, right?) They claim the last name looked like Rowe not Lowe(my name). Their excuse is they had no idea why this crematory was delivering the remains to them because it was not their regular crematory. (so why accept them then) Now when Jelly had to be put to sleep I had to call the specialists' crematory agency who said they would as a favor to me if IF IF my regular vet said it was okay, they would deliver Jelly's remains to the Huntington vet because that one was only 10 mins from my house rather than the hour I would have had to drive to the specialists' office. The crematory said they would call my Huntington vet for me. the huntington vet signed for the remains which means they accepted responsiblity for Jelly. They just stuck him in the back room where dr. travis claims are so many other remains that people haven't picked up over the years and would have done nothing to contact me. I've been their client for double digit years--with over let's see,5 dogs, numerous foster kittens from an animal shelter, presently 7 cats and at least 5 angel cats. the vet I use there jokes they should name a wing after me for what I have paid over the years. I really did start the conversation tonight with Dr. T ratherrationally-calmly. I was trying to explain to him I just wanted to be sure this experience did not happen to anyone else and that I really wanted someone at their office to say,"ya know what? yeah, we screwed up-we're sorry. we know you loved your cat." Nada. nothing. his attitude continued to be that I was overreacting. When I asked why no one bothered to do a computer search of the name Jelly Roll, he couldn't answer that except to say that wasn't the procedure-for cremation, they go to the loose leaf notebook of names. (and the 3rd vet at the office also knows Jelly Roll because he-Dr. W had to do the 2nd weekly shot of chemo for me for two weeks in a row at 35$ a shot). I''m just floored. I am so amazed at the callousness of this vet who should realize his practice is suffering a loss of clientele since my original vet there left earlier this year to open his own practice.Ft Hill always used to be busy. When I was there recently on a Friday for Jelly's 2nd chemo shot of the week,Dr. W. commented onhow quiet the office was. I drive by there and there are no cars in the parking lot-which is very unusual. I only stayed at Ft Hill because Jelly roll's "crash" occurred before my original vet's new clinic building was complete and then I took Jelly to the specialists at another clinic. I ended my phone call with Dr. T tonight that there are other vets and the office in the morning will be getting a phone call request from me to transfer my 8 pets' records. The techs and front desk people who used to work at Ft. Hill who are very caring all went to the new clinic and now so am I. I will just have to explain to the vacationing dr. what happened and why I cannot return to Ft Hill. thank you for listening. It is too late for me to call anyone locally. And thank you all who have cried with me and comforted me during Jelly's illness and then this fiasco this morning. Thank you for all the emails. I told Jelly's sister all about them. oh god i am just so floored. hope everyone's kitties are doing okay. (and doggies too---poor Frasier here can't get any respect from the cats--they all treat him as a rubbing post and Jelly's sister insists on sleeping against his back or against his head) thank god for animals. thank god for all of you. gnite barbara
Re: opinions wanted please
this has been a hard post for me to follow considering what happened today with Jelly but as I read all the answering posts tonight I was reminded of my old vet who now has a new clinic elsewhere and of the staff I know went with him. Over the years I've gone to Dr. Gantt, I've mentioned to him the unhelpful attitude of one tech (like how I show up for appts with 2 dogs and 3 cat carriers and all she does is say, you're next and walks away without offering to carry a single carrier and expects me to follow her somehow...) and the patronizing cold attitude of one front desk female receptionist -they are still at Ft Hill while the good ones were hired away by Dr. G. so I say go for it. talk to the vet in person and explain you just want the tech to learn from her oversight and understand how she endangered your pets' health and caused you alot of anxiety. I pray you get a better reaction than I did tonight with my now Ex vet. Emphasize to your vet you do not have a problem with the vet. barbara
Re: OT: Is this wrong? - yes!
in NY the SPCA says a dog must have adequate shelter from wind and rain. a czrdboard box is not enough shelter for example. check with your local animal control officer/shelter/rescue for the law or ask the police. they can look it up in village codes or perhaps you can access that info online for your locale. If you do have animal control come to see the situation, be sure to tell them all the info--like if there's no food or water. Since you leave for work, the owner could claim he brings the dog inside during the day so ask a neighbor or mailman perhaps if they see the dog outside all day---when you come home, you can tell if the dog has been out all day---the area around him--does the owner pick up the feces?/digging/are there any complaints about barking? Poor dog. Why oh why do some people get animals? Animal control will check to see if the dog has been given adequate medical care--vaccinations and if it is properly licensed. Just in case the owner claims the dog is destructive inside the house, suggest in advance to the officers that the dog can be crated in a proper sized kennel. The officers do not have to give your name to the pet owner. Please report this poor dog's condition. Thank you! barbara
Jelly roll
Hi everyone, the little guy had to be put to sleep on Saturday. The worst was I could not be there for him due to my work duties upstate. I just got home and wanted to let everyone know who has emailed me off and on-list and thank you all so much for the prayers and wishes and information. It really didn't hit me til I just got here so i'm getting off now to go tell his sister. Barbara who will miss that little chin warmer, Jelly Roll
Re: Please Help
I am so sorry to read about Kaleigh's passing. It breaks our hearts to see our furbabies lose the battle and the only thing that keeps me going is knowing that they know we loved them and they gave love in return. (after this past week of dealing with an idiot dog owner across from my parents' house upstate who lets his two beautiful dogs run loose on a road where cars drive 75 miles per hour and I've had to rescue them 3 times in the last 4 days, we are so lucky we were given the "genes" to appreciate the love of our animals and know enough to keep them safe to the best of our ability). regards Barbara
Jelly roll p.s.(and Maddy too)
I sat down with his sister, Princess Seven Layer Eats alot (she's a calico and Jelly was a grey and white tuxedo) and told her that her brother had died and cried on her that the worst thing was I had been unable to be there with him. I then went downstairs to get the dishes out to feed everyone the afternoon meal. One of the kitchen cabinet doors above the refrigerator came loose and fell down a little blocking the refrigerator door so I could not open it so had to look up and adjust the door.(my kitchen was only renovated 2 years ago adn these are all new cabinets, too). I reached to grab the one cabinet knob and realized there was a grey and white wooden angel cat hanging from the knob which I had totally forgotten one of my friends had given me 2 years ago and that I hung it there way overhead out of sight. I feel comforted in taking that as a sign from Jelly roll and "the furry powers that be" which is a strange coincidence as I never felt I had any sign from my black lab mix who also died from cancer back in June until this weekend when I had to keep rescuing my idiot neighbor's dogs who kept running across a very busy and fast roadway to our side. his black lab who never saw me before in her life came running to me out of the path of a speeding truck when I saw her--I panicked andscreamed out, "Maddy" which is my angel lab's name and this strange dog came to me. She then leaned against my leg almost knocking me down just like Maddy would do in her younger days. just wanted to share. Barbara
Re: I put out a plea online for AB blood
hi, I'm still scrolling thru all the messages I recd since I was off line since last thursday. Thank you so much for doing so much legwork--I only wish Jelly could have lived longer to purr thank you to you also. all you people on this list are making me cry again. thank you so much. I so miss the little guy. barbara - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: I put out a plea online for AB blood barbara, i sent out a note to a vet student here at msu, and here's the response from the person SHE forwarded it to! Dear Mary Christine, I was forwarded an email about AB cat blood via Emily at MSU. If the cat truly is type AB ( very rare) it is a universal recipeint for either type A OR B feline blood. I double checked with our board certified critical care Dr. and he agreed. A cross match with the donor blood would confirm compatability.There are some blood banks for cat blood: Midwest Animal Blood Services in MI 517-851-8244 Animal Blood Bank in CA 800-243-5759 You might check with University of Penn vet school, I'm not sure if they supply to private practice. Maybe an all feline practice near them might have a screened donor? Hope they have good luck with their cat.Alice Parr LVTBlood Donor ProgramMichigan State University[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Barbara Lowe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: I put out a plea online for AB blood Thank you all for that idea. I posted on Petfinder Urgent animal board and on Ebay animals board. If there are any lists you can cross post to I would appreciate it. smacking myself for not thinking of this sooner but then I didnt' know there was a blood shortage also. (so will be looking into bringing my negatives in for blood donating when I get back for others' sick animals) I donate platelets and never thought about an animal blood bank. Barbara Lowe and the Jelly Roll I called the vet's office and informed them I have asked online for AB blood and that I would pay for any vet costs/testing/whatever for a donor. I will also reimburse the donor for transportation costs and whatever else-meals-though I will need receipts. Jelly's regular vet is Dr. Post at the Center for Specialized Veterinary Care in Westbury Long Island NY 516-420- who is away at an oncology convention and Dr. Cohen is overseeing his case. Thank you!!!
Re: agonic is gone
oh god I am so sorry. I'm so glad though your family found him and loved him. barbara - Original Message - From: maca cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: agonic is gone I want to thank everybody for prayers and healing thoughts. the little boy could fight no longer and went to the bridge, very peacefully and surrounded by love. he was a tiny orange tabby, 3 weeks old, and her 2 moms (cat and human) loved him deeply. belinda please add him to cls. thank you, macarena
Re: transport for baby kittens needed
likewise with North Shore animal league. very disturbing info comes from former techs volunteers. they do get the publicity and we can only hope it trickles down. we had a good laugh just over a month ago. they told potential adopteres they had NO kittens!!! (and why those people couldn't just open the classifieds and see all the desperate ads...) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: Re: transport for baby kittens needed I totally agree with you BelindaI'm not much on Pasado either if you have money amazinghow fast they jump to your corner! Really have no use for them either. In a message dated 11/3/2004 9:53:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I personally don't trust groups that don't get back to you with a real message. I'll tell you a story that will upset some, but it's true because it happened to me. Everybody loves Best Friends, but I have reservatins about them. I wrote to them three about an urgent situation passed on to me from another group. I aksed if they knew of any group that dealt with the particular situation that was going on. I had always heard how great Best Friends was about helping at the very least with references to other groups that may be in a better position to help if they themselves couldn't. I waited and waited for a reply ... nothing. I even asked them to please let me know if they didn't have nay help so I would atleast know they had received my messages ... nothing. So I decided to do a test for my own curiosity, I wrote to them a 4th time, this time saying that I had recently inherited a substantial amount of money and wanted to make a donation, and asked them how I would go about it, well lo and behold got a reply THAT VERY DAY!!! Incidentally I did write and tell them exactly what I had done (the three emails and then the fourth concerning money), surprisingly I never heard another thing from them, no explanation, no "we're sorry we must not have gotten the previous emails", nothing. I do not trust this group because that little test tells me money talks and is in my opinion is their first priority. I find it very hard to believe that out of 4 emails within a two week time period the ONLY one I got a response to was the one saying I wanted to give them money, I truly pray it is a coincidence but I really can't see how it was. I'm not saying they don't do alot of good, but they will never get a dime from me. I also had a similar experience with Pasados' Safe Haven a local rescue, I wouldn't never donate to them either. I'm starting to think the bigger and more well known a rescue gets, the more money is the most important driving factor and the animals start to become a lesser priority. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html
Re: Jelly Roll
i'm in NY-Long Island to be exact. problem is I am leaving today til monday and will offline til then. the vet hospital is The center for Specialized Veterinary Care in Westbury Long Island New York. 516-420-. the results from cornell univer. should come back today hopefully to say whether he really is that rare AB blood. Thank you, though for your thoughts. Barbara and Jelly R. - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Jelly Roll Barbara, Where are you? Maybe we can find a healthy AB kitty to donate blood in your area. Did Jelly get to see his sister today? It must be torture to have to leave him at the vet's, but you certainly couldn't provide him with an oxygen cage.. Thank you for letting us know what's happening. Much love, Nina Barbara Lowe wrote: I got to visit him today for an hour while his sister was getting her blood typed to see if she is a match. Unfortunately not. She is B and he is AB. There is also a blood shortage so don't even know if he will be able to get real blood. He did recognize me and the little bugger stole the comfortable chair in the office when I got up to get something. He seemed to be laughing at me because he stretched out on the warm spot I left and rolled over to get his belly scratched. The techs say he ate last night but would not eat anything for them today. I got him to eat some baby food maybe 3 spoonfuls. His breathing is more labored so they are putting him in an oxygen cage while he is on 24 hr drip of chemo. I told them take no extraordinary measures if he goes into cardiac arrest. Again I told him I know he's the biggest fighter there is but if he wants to go, I will understand and that it's okay. I felt terrible when he saw the carrier I brought his sister in because he ran over to it and wanted IN! but settled for hanging out on top of it til he stole the chair again from me. I have to go upstate to finish some estate business so I told him I couldn't come visit til Sunday evening. For such a sick kitty with such terribly low numbers, he sure is hanging in there and enjoyed his ears being scritched. His sister who loved him all his life and slept next to him and gave mutual baths is still negative. She is quieter since we got home and has been climbing on my lap every time I sit down. I hate this disease. I hate this disease. Barbara and the Jelly Roll
Re: Jelly Roll
hmm...all options i will explore when i get back sunday night/mon am. thanks for sharing this info I keep telling myself he had 2 1/2 yrs more than he was going to. i found him in the pound -he and his two sisters had uri's and were going to be pts. I just wish regards Barbara and Jelly R. - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: Jelly Roll Well, it is possible to provide him with an oxygen cage, but of course you'd need to be home with him. And he's got some other things that he's being treated for. Maybe for visits? I have a carrier that was converted into an oxygen cage/carrier by a friend's husband - he's an engineering type. I got it from her, just in case, before my Cala died. If you're ever interested, I'll be glad to share the carrier (I'm in Arkansas). My friends used it for her kitty, and then she loaned the carrier to me. The problem is getting a vet to prescribe the O2 tank that connects to the carrier -they think you're crazy... and of course you'd need to be home with him. Think the O2 tanks are rented on a monthly fee? People have O2 at home all the time - too bad it's not done more for cats and dogs that want to be home. Gloria Barbara, Where are you? Maybe we can find a healthy AB kitty to donate blood in your area. Did Jelly get to see his sister today? It must be torture to have to leave him at the vet's, but you certainly couldn't provide him with an oxygen cage.. Thank you for letting us know what's happening. Much love, Nina Barbara Lowe wrote: I got to visit him today for an hour while his sister was getting her blood typed to see if she is a match. Unfortunately not. She is B and he is AB. There is also a blood shortage so don't even know if he will be able to get real blood. He did recognize me and the little bugger stole the comfortable chair in the office when I got up to get something. He seemed to be laughing at me because he stretched out on the warm spot I left and rolled over to get his belly scratched. The techs say he ate last night but would not eat anything for them today. I got him to eat some baby food maybe 3 spoonfuls. His breathing is more labored so they are putting him in an oxygen cage while he is on 24 hr drip of chemo. I told them take no extraordinary measures if he goes into cardiac arrest. Again I told him I know he's the biggest fighter there is but if he wants to go, I will understand and that it's okay. I felt terrible when he saw the carrier I brought his sister in because he ran over to it and wanted IN! but settled for hanging out on top of it til he stole the chair again from me. I have to go upstate to finish some estate business so I told him I couldn't come visit til Sunday evening. For such a sick kitty with such terribly low numbers, he sure is hanging in there and enjoyed his ears being scritched. His sister who loved him all his life and slept next to him and gave mutual baths is still negative. She is quieter since we got home and has been climbing on my lap every time I sit down. I hate this disease. I hate this disease. Barbara and the Jelly Roll
I put out a plea online for AB blood
Thank you all for that idea. I posted on Petfinder Urgent animal board and on Ebay animals board. If there are any lists you can cross post to I would appreciate it. smacking myself for not thinking of this sooner but then I didnt' know there was a blood shortage also. (so will be looking into bringing my negatives in for blood donating when I get back for others' sick animals) I donate platelets and never thought about an animal blood bank. Barbara Lowe and the Jelly Roll I called the vet's office and informed them I have asked online for AB blood and that I would pay for any vet costs/testing/whatever for a donor. I will also reimburse the donor for transportation costs and whatever else-meals-though I will need receipts. Jelly's regular vet is Dr. Post at the Center for Specialized Veterinary Care in Westbury Long Island NY 516-420- who is away at an oncology convention and Dr. Cohen is overseeing his case. Thank you!!!
Re: I put out a plea online for AB blood
i thought of that however again i have the problemof having two other felv+'s in the house. the other negatives have lived with them all their lives. I have a female cat in th ebasement who is separated because of severe anxiety from too many cats(8) well now, 7. she sprays everywhere in the house and all medical has been treated adn ruled out. yet i would take in another animal if he/she is that rare 1% of the cat population. 1%. barbara and the Jelly Roll - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:07 AM Subject: Re: I put out a plea online for AB blood Barbara, I've heard of shelters and rescues being open to typing their animals if the owner in need agreed to give the donor animal a permanet home. Something you may want to consider. TBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for that idea. I posted on Petfinder Urgent animal board and on Ebay animals board. If there are any lists you can cross post to I would appreciate it. smacking myself for not thinking of this sooner but then I didnt' know there was a blood shortage also. (so will be looking into bringing my negatives in for blood donating when I get back for others' sick animals) I donate platelets and never thought about an animal blood bank. Barbara Lowe and the Jelly Roll I called the vet's office and informed them I have asked online for AB blood and that I would pay for any vet costs/testing/whatever for a donor. I will also reimburse the donor for transportation costs and whatever else-meals-though I will need receipts. Jelly's regular vet is Dr. Post at the Center for Specialized Veterinary Care in Westbury Long Island NY 516-420- who is away at an oncology convention and Dr. Cohen is overseeing his case. Thank you!!! Do you Yahoo!?Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a
Re: prayers for agonic
Praying really really hard for Agonic. and wishing many curses on the heads of the family members who abandoned their relative's cat and her kittens to this fate! Barbara and Jelly R.
Re: transport for baby kittens needed
Hmm...I've been curious about this rescue group. they claim to rescue from up and down the eastern seaboard and are based here on Long Island but when locals have sent them emaiils regarding rescuing URGENT kittens needing rescue LOCALLY, there has been no reply other than canned messages about it costs $175 to rescue a kitten. their website says they can't save them all however they do save the best. One director of a local rescue shelter was informed by a friend that she could put in an order -for example-a long haired white kitten and would be contacted when one was available. The friend also informed her that this group has a long waiting list. When there are so many homeless and desperate kittens already on Long Island needing foster care, why do we need to ship more up here? I myself contacted this group about offering to foster (when I received a message about desperate 24 hours to live kittens so I would have fostered them at my parents' and friends) and only received the canned message about paying up front $175 for a kitten. I'd appreciate any information you personally first hand know about this group so I can make an informed decision about this group. regards, Barbara - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: OT: transport for baby kittens needed If you can help, please reply to Barbra at [EMAIL PROTECTED] IF YOU CAN'T HELP TRANSPORT THEN PLEASE CROSSPOST THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP - or any groups you might belong to. We pulled 23 baby kittens this weekend that were slated to die. There will be 5 kitties in TWO CARRIERS from TN to MD. A small car is fine for all legs up to MD. The rest of the kitties get on board in MD. These are all babies and take up very little room. I was able to find great homes for all of them. I have people coming from VT, NH and MA to save these babies. I will rescue them, but I DESPERATELY need your help to get them to safety. From MD to NY we will need big vehicles or maybe 2 regular size cars. PLEASE help us in this mission at a second chance for life. These babies haven't even had an opportunity to begin their lives (at 5-9 weeks old) and are about to be put to sleep. They will NOT have a chance at life without your help. YOU can change their fate! We could really use YOUR help. PLEASE DON'T THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT. Contact the coordinator Barbra directly off the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] As always, your help will be so greatly appreciated. All kittens are UTD on shots, traveling with health records and have tested negative for FeLV/FIV. All carriers will be supplied. The kittens will be coming from temporary foster care and going to rescue and onto their approved forever homes. The rescue group is Kitty ResQ http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NY413.html Please let me know what leg(s) you could drive. Saturday November 6th 04 Leg 1 Bristol, TN to Ft. Chiswell, VAFilled Thanks Kay 148.29 miles (1 hours, 20 minutes) 4:50am to 6:10am Leg 2 Ft. Chiswell, VA to Buchanan, VA Filled **NEEDED** 88.77 miles (1 hour 35 minutes) 6:20am to 7:55am Leg 3 Buchanan, VA to Harrisonburg, VA **NEEDED** 61.15 miles (1 hour, 5 minutes) 8:05am to 9:10am Leg 4 Harrisonburg, VA to Strasburg, VA **NEEDED** 50.00 miles (1 hour, 10 minutes) 9:20am to 10:30am Leg 5 Strasburg, VA to Hagerstown, MD **NEEDED** 63.32 miles (1 hour, 20 minutes) 10:40am to 12:00pm Leg 6 Hagerstown, MD to Harrisburg, PA **NEEDED** 76.48 miles (1 hours, 19 minutes) 12:15pm to 1:35pm Leg 7 Harrisburg, PA to Allentown, PA**NEEDED** 81.06 miles (1 hour 26 minutes) 1:45pm to 3:15pm Leg 8 Allentown, PA to Woodbridge, NJ **NEEDED** 72.86 miles (1 hour 27 minutes) 3:25pm to 4:55pm Leg 9 Woodbridge, NJ to Long Beach, NY **NEEDED** 56.41 miles (1 hour 27 minutes) 5:10pm to 6:40pm Arrive at Kitty ResQ 6:40 PM Long Beach, NY Thanks, Barbra ^..^ You can't change the world by adopting one animal, but you can change the whole world for that one animal.
Jelly Roll
I got to visit him today for an hour while his sister was getting her blood typed to see if she is a match. Unfortunately not. She is B and he is AB. There is also a blood shortage so don't even know if he will be able to get real blood. He did recognize me and the little bugger stole the comfortable chair in the office when I got up to get something. He seemed to be laughing at me because he stretched out on the warm spot I left and rolled over to get his belly scratched. The techs say he ate last night but would not eat anything for them today. I got him to eat some baby food maybe 3 spoonfuls. His breathing is more labored so they are putting him in an oxygen cage while he is on 24 hr drip of chemo. I told them take no extraordinary measures if he goes into cardiac arrest. Again I told him I know he's the biggest fighter there is but if he wants to go, I will understand and that it's okay. I felt terrible when he saw the carrier I brought his sister in because he ran over to it and wanted "IN!" but settled for hanging out on top of it til he stole the chair again from me. I have to go upstate to finish some estate business so I told him I couldn't come visit til Sunday evening. For such a sick kitty with such terribly low numbers, he sure is hanging in there and enjoyed his ears being scritched. His sister who loved him all his life and slept next to him and gave mutual baths is still negative. She is quieter since we got home and has been climbing on my lap every time I sit down. I hate this disease. I hate this disease. Barbara and the Jelly Roll
Jelly Roll-having blood trransfusion today
his two doctors have decided he needs a transfusion as his breathing is more labored and his heart is racing.(he also has a heart murmur). My other felv+ Lenny who was a little under one year old had a transfusion at the end and it gave us about a week -that was our Christmas present-that she lived til the new year so hoping this new blood will give us time also. thanks for listening and all your good wishes and prayers. barbara and the Jelly roll
Re: OT - speaking of humans.....
Your stepdad and family are the greatest! how sad that this situation is not unique. the first week I started fostering years ago, some waitresses came to the shelter with kittens that a station wagon full of little kids and their mom just pulled into the restaurant parking lot next to 3 very very busy fast roads and mom chucked the kittens out one by one while the children were screaming and crying. the kittens were lucky their boss was so understanding while these two waitresses who had just gone outside on a 10 min.cigarette break then spent a few hours chasing down frightened kittens. everyday I thank god I was hard wired to love animals. barbara and the Jelly Roll
and of course Jelly R. has to have a rare blood type!
Ack! this is so frustrating. now the vets, after testing, think he has a very rare blood type-AB which is only 1% of the cat population.so they have to send his blood to Cornell for retesting and confirmation. meanwhile they recom'd giving him oxyglobin-a cow hormone. it can make it difficult to evaluate his hemacrit later but since that's only 48 hours and the Cornell test is 48 hours (and then they have to special order AB blood) I know his sister is B because when my other felv+ kitten Lenny needed a transfusion she could not be a donor. and I asked about procrit and epogen and the problem is that the chemo he's on-cytosar would negate any effects. They would put him on that after the 5-6 weeks of chemo when he is at home. today is just not my day. went for my first general physical in years and the dr. realized her idiot staff had neglected to tell me to get MY blood work done first so we could discuss it during my physical. round and round we go tomorrow is another day. the dr. said I could go tonight around 9 pm to visit him-it's almost an hour drive both ways in the dark so I'll have to see if I can con my husband into a date at the vet hospitalimagine his joy. He tolerates all the pets and they just love him.good thing my dr. took my blood pressure before I learned all this news Barbara and the Jelly Roll
Re: lack of appetite
my specialist is at his Conn. practice today(we're in ny) so i have an appt at 2 pm with an internal specialist at same center as the first vet said they need to do a hemocrit and then see if a transfusion is necessary. he's just lying around. did walk downstairs on his own two flights of stairs to litter box(would not use one i brought upstairs for him)but he's tired. I tried some canned tuna but no interest. he ran away from me. i will try again in awhile as don't want to stress him. thanks to all who sent info and good wishes. Barbara and the Jelly Roll - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: Re: lack of appetite I looked up pica cats concrete and found this site. It's on Feline Chronic Renal Failure. They say it might be a symptom of anaema or very occasionally a sign of calcium deficiency. If Tamara is right and it's a craving for salt, Jelly should be interested in canned tuna water. WE ALL HATE FeLV! Nina http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm#Table http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm Barbara Lowe wrote: I got him to eat little less than a quarter of canned food about 1. then he abruptly stopped so called the vet for something for nausea. the specialists dont' have a dispensary per se and my vet doesn't open til 8 am tomorrow. the spec. on call suggested regulan. I tried again about 6 thirty pm giving him 1/2 pepcid a/c tab and waited 20 mins then tried with a small can of kitten food. ended up smearing it on a flat spoon and force feeding him by getting it on roof of his mouth. he ate the whole can however then left the room and i caught him licking a concrete statue. I know that means he's deficient in something but just too stressed this moment to think straight and can't find it in any of my books. I know when they eat strange things it's called pica. I hate this. Little Lenny that i lost last Dec. started licking the snow shovel and concrete and would eat nothing voluntarily but cantaloupe. I HATE FELINE LEUKEMIA. Barbara and Jelly roll.
Re: Humans make me crazy sometimes
I'm hoping the situation is just that the rescue group doesn't know you and might have recently had some problems with other foster moms who were not as conscientious as you. (shelter i work with sometimes- once had foster family who painted 7 black kittens with nail polish so they could distinguish them for medication purposes--but on their fur! and returned them to the shelter full of fleas and other problemsI always try to tell people who have not had a positive experience with any rescue group to try to remember that the rescue people do not know you personally. never been to your house for dinner, etc. and that they mostly have met alot of not so good people. (my favorite has to be the one who started screaming at me why couldn't they adopt a female puppy just because they had an un neutered male dog in their house? and I was just in the parking lot carrying in stacks of newspaper--the yeller didn't even know I volunteered there) We here know you are the absolute greatest person in the world to socialize these foster kitties but alas, your friend has taken that decision out of your hands. Hope it all works out for everyone. barbara
Jelly staying at hospital
He vomited at least twice that I know of(kinda hard with 8 cats who think--ooh another meal when any of them vomit)and then had diarrhea in the carrier the minute we walked in the clinic's door. His hemocrit is holding steady at 8 however the white blood cell count has gone down and a transfusion wouldn't help that. he's staying the night on IV's and sub-q for meds as they are afraid he might get septus(infection). prognosis is not the greatest but at least we were given last week after his first chemo round where he was almost 90% back to his usual lovable interactive self. As we were driving to the vet, I thought about how this past summer my 14 yr old mixed breed dog Madison had cancer and how we were so lucky to have had such a great last day--she got to go swimming -she loved to "play submarine"-run her nose and blow bubbles under the water and she walked along the beach with Frasier her lifelong buddy and me and had some deli meat-her favorite-for lunch and about 30 mins. later while trying to go for a walk, suddenly ran back to the mini van and jumped in and died on the seat. I was thinking how I could not give Jelly Roll that kind of last day as he is an indoor only cat but at least your prayers got me one more week of my loving cat. I know I sound fatalistic when Jelly is still fighting but I did tell him at the clinic if he needed to go, it was okay. He has surprised me before(and the vets). I will drive in and see him mid day after voting and before my dr's appt. Thanks for listening, Barbara
Re: Jelly staying at hospital
thank you. I forgot about this. however right now since he's vomiting so have to wait and see if he survives this bout and when he can keep stuff in him, I will try it.thanks. barbara and the Jelly Roll whose sister Princess Seven Layer Eatsalot came running to the door tonight when I came home. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Jelly staying at hospital Barb please try the DMG for Jelly.our cat was at a crit of 9 and put on this supplement. When the cancer took him a month later his crit was low normal (I forget the number) the DMG helped him battle the anemia and over come it it can only help and cannot hurt at all. Cherri
lack of appetite
Jelly is not eating on his own last two days. He licks baby food (and some SD a/d ) off spoon but i feel he's uncomfortable--i tried pepcid a/c but is there anything else besides slippery elm for possible upset? also stupid question, how long before eating should i give him the pepcid a/c or is it during or after? I put all sorts of stinky food in front of him but no interest. (and of course this is the week all the oncologists are off to an oncology convention for the week.) barbara and the jelly roll
Re: Update on the ferals
Yeay! and thanks for updating us. (when I get back next week, I let myself be conned into rescuing two teenage kittens) barbara
Re: lack of appetite
HI, I joined and will go thru their messages. he ate half a jar of baby food for lunch if I hold the food on a spoon for him. I'll have to post on the cancer list also for ideas. it could be so many reasons why--second chemo round--the cancer, etc. It's so maddening to be spoonfeeding him while 7 other cats are trying to break down the closed door to get at his food. thanks, barbara
Re: lack of appetite
I got him to eat little less than a quarter of canned food about 1. then he abruptly stopped so called the vet for something for nausea. the specialists dont' have a dispensary per se and my vet doesn't open til 8 am tomorrow. the spec. on call suggested regulan. I tried again about 6 thirty pm giving him 1/2 pepcid a/c tab and waited 20 mins then tried with a small can of kitten food. ended up smearing it on a flat spoon and force feeding him by getting it on roof of his mouth. he ate the whole can however then left the room and i caught him licking a concrete statue. I know that means he's deficient in something but just too stressed this moment to think straight and can't find it in any of my books. I know when they eat strange things it's called pica. I hate this. Little Lenny that i lost last Dec. started licking the snow shovel and concrete and would eat nothing voluntarily but cantaloupe. I HATE FELINE LEUKEMIA. Barbara and Jelly roll.
Re: Is there a list for feral lovers?
well if none of the other cats appears to be nursing, you're probably right in guessing she's the only mom. probably because of their circumstances--out in the wild and lack of constant food source, the 6-8 wk olds could very well still be nursing. since you have her, they will be hungry and hopefully will be easier to trap then when you use stinky food/tuna like for bait. good luck. you guys are great to care about these ferals barbara - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Is there a list for feral lovers? Guess what? When I went to the site, two of the ferals came right up and started begging for food. Rubbing and bumping and meowing. Obviously not all of them are feral, if any. We were able to get those two into carriers and we trapped two more. One of the trapped cats is Momma. She's still nursing and very emaciated, but very sweet. I'm hoping her kittens are too. I spotted 4 kittens scrabbling for cover. They look like they're anywhere from 6 to 8 weeks. They could be older, but small because of their circumstances. We found someone that says they are willing to take ferals for relocation, but now we seem to have tame cats on our hands. I spotted 8 grown cats, but who knows how many of them are out there. As I'm typing this, I've just become concerned about whether the momma we caught might not be the momma to the older kittens. What if she has tinnies out there that won't make it through the night without her? Her breasts definitely had milk in them, not firm or, full. What else should I have looked for to determine how old her kittens might be? I'm thinking we should bring her back and release her just in case. I'm pretty sure we'll be able to catch her again, she's so tame. Aaaah! Rescue is not for sissies! Nina Nina wrote: Thank you for your advise. Contacting the media sounds like a good idea. I don't know if we'll be able to find the homeless guy again. He may have already had to move on. I wrote an email to the feralcats.com website. Chris, I couldn't find the list feralcats on Yahoo. I'm not very savvy at this Internet thing, so I'll try again when I get home. I'll also try to contact Alley Cat Allies. Jill's deceased mom has a very crowded garage and I'm going over to help her consolidate the junk to make room for holding crates that we're scrounging together. Her mom's house is being renovated and we can't house them there. Jill told me why we can't bring them to her house, but I can't remember why just now. I don't know what we're going to do after we catch them, we'll just have to cross that bridge when we get to it. Sorry about rambling on and on. Barbara, I wish you were closer too! Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks for caring, Nina Barbara Lowe wrote: get a large dog cage and cover it(three sides-top, bottom and sides just not the front opening) with an old blanket--perhaps something of this guy who's been feeding them as they recognize his smell as friendly. put their food in there and perhaps can get them to go into it. or can anyone be there the day it's getting torn down to put out food to get the cats away from this hovel? such a heartbreaking story. did you try contacting any media to get attention to this plight? sometimes then the rescue groups will step in to help when they stand to gain something like free, good will publicity--(sad to say but fact of life). I'm here in NY so can't help physically. but if you need money to buy the large dog carrier/or wire cage--I can help with that- what's the name of that one group-Alley Cat Allies--perhaps they have a link to local groups that might help. (oh also if you can get it, try spraying the inside of the cage with that Feliway spray or Rescue Remedy and try sprinkling some catnip in there also--anything to tempt the wild ones into it...) can the homeless guy catch the kittens? do you have a large fishing net? I wish I was closer! (can someone keep the kittens in the large cage then so they don't use the same litter box or eat from the felv+'s bowls? sad thing to say but they could be felv+ anyway) barbara - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Is there a list for feral lovers? Hi Everyone, I just got a call from an acquaintance of mine with a sad and desperate tale. Her name is Jill. She was rescuing a sea gull covered in oil in a parking lot in Camarillo, CA. A homeless man (mentally disabled as well), approached her in tears. He told her the house he's been squatting in is about to be torn down (within a day or two), and he has to find somewhere else to live. He's been feeding stray or feral cats, Jill couldn't determine
Re: Is there a list for feral lovers?
get a large dog cage and cover it(three sides-top, bottom and sides just not the front opening) with an old blanket--perhaps something of this guy who's been feeding them as they recognize his smell as friendly. put their food in there and perhaps can get them to go into it. or can anyone be there the day it's getting torn down to put out food to get the cats away from this hovel? such a heartbreaking story. did you try contacting any media to get attention to this plight? sometimes then the rescue groups will step in to help when they stand to gain something like free, good will publicity--(sad to say but fact of life). I'm here in NY so can't help physically. but if you need money to buy the large dog carrier/or wire cage--I can help with that- what's the name of that one group-Alley Cat Allies--perhaps they have a link to local groups that might help. (oh also if you can get it, try spraying the inside of the cage with that Feliway spray or Rescue Remedy and try sprinkling some catnip in there also--anything to tempt the wild ones into it...) can the homeless guy catch the kittens? do you have a large fishing net? I wish I was closer! (can someone keep the kittens in the large cage then so they don't use the same litter box or eat from the felv+'s bowls? sad thing to say but they could be felv+ anyway) barbara - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Is there a list for feral lovers? Hi Everyone, I just got a call from an acquaintance of mine with a sad and desperate tale. Her name is Jill. She was rescuing a sea gull covered in oil in a parking lot in Camarillo, CA. A homeless man (mentally disabled as well), approached her in tears. He told her the house he's been squatting in is about to be torn down (within a day or two), and he has to find somewhere else to live. He's been feeding stray or feral cats, Jill couldn't determine which. After Jill got the sea gull off to a rehabilitation, she went to the address he had given her. The house is a hovel, broken windows, fallen in roof, there is sewage from a backed up septic tank mixed with flood waters from the storm we've been having, just a mess. She spotted a couple of the adults running for cover, and two of the three kittens, she's guessing they're about 8 weeks old. There are no other houses in the area that these guys might get a handout from and if they're taking refuge in this abandoned house, there's a good chance that they will be caught in there when they demolish it. She's called all the rescue groups in the area looking for a feral colony that she might be able to relocate these cats to, once they're caught and neutered. Everyone has turned her down. I'm going to help her trap and I've called everyone I know that might be able to give me ideas about how to help them. If these kittens are indeed that young, and have been handled by the kind homeless man, there is a chance that they can be adopted out and find homes. I need some ideas on how to help these guys. I'm going to get out there and help her trap, but what do we do with them after that? I can't foster anyone here, I can't expose them to FeLV! I already have four dogs and seven cats living with me and there isn't a room where I can segregate them, even the garage has a stray, who hates cats, living in it. Does anyone know of a sanctuary that will take ferals that we could relocate them to? Does anyone know of a email list that is interested in helping ferals? I know this is off topic, but I also know how much you guys love cats. If you can think of anything that might help, please email me back. Thank you for caring, Nina
Jelly roll gained weight!
Today we went for our second week of chemotherapy. He gets two shots every week. He's still been a picky eater not chowing down like he used to (which was why he was a chub-ball) however this morning he ate more-- like 3 tablespoons of food and after the techs gave him his shot, said he was very very feisty. the vet said his color (mouth) was very good-lots of nice pink. He ws very good on the car ride upstate last weekend and I was able to get all the tag sale pricing other work done for my parents' estate and first weekend in Nov. he'll go back up with me for the actual sale. (praying he stays feisty and continues to improve). Meanwhile anyone want a polar bear rug??? Barbara and Jelly Roll
Re: Coco
Hi I am so sorry you lost your great kitty to this unfair virus. I am heartened that your feral cat realized the dream of a loving home and kind person and returned your feelings in kind. regards Barbara
Re: Mega C Plus/Does anyone know about this?
slapping myself upside the head, i forgot to mention i've only had the cats on it for 4-6 months. they were on ester C before. Mr Bean does seem to have improved on it. his coat is better. i tried to see if he really has gingivitis and can't tell as he wiggles too much so i think he might just be fussy eater lately because he smells the junk food I give jelly roll to tempt him to eat and wants some too. barbara - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Mega C Plus/Does anyone know about this? This is the founder of Innova pet foods and veterinarian who has supposedly published articles on various topics including FeLV. Supposedly, he has successfully converted every FeLv positive cat to negative in his practice. http://www.belfield.com/article2.html Has anyone tried his Mega C Plus?
Re: Jelly roll good news bad news
that's horrible. like it's that woman's fault instead of our health care system that prevents people from getting the care they need. Thank you though for giving me more perspective on my guilt. Jelly ate some food this morning again though he did drink alot of water last night. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Jelly roll good news bad news People should feel guilt about buying expensive cars and clothes and wine when there are people who can not afford health care, but not about providing medical care to their own loved ones. My partner and I were upset about an article we read about a woman who spent $25,000 on a kidney transplant for her cat and was interviewed about it, and then she got all sorts of hate mail about doing that when there are humans who can not afford it. She said she does not drink, gamble, go on vacation, or buy anything expensive, so why can't she spend her hard earned money to save her cat's life? My partner and I were so upset-- why don't people send hate mail to people who spend $25,000 on a car-- why is that somehow ok and spending it save a life is not? Michelle In a message dated 10/22/04 9:17:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know where you're coming from, Barbara, but you needn't feel guilty. You are two different families, in two entirely separate situations. You love and care for Jelly Roll, and will do whatever you can to help him. The family love their little girl and will do whatever it takes to help her. We would all go crazy if we started thinking otherwise. Lots of love and hugs to Jelly Roll, and hope the treatment goes well. Kerry -Original Message-
Re: Please Help
sometimes i just show up at my vet--with a very sick animal and they have to take me because otherwise it looks bad to the other customers there. did you explain it's a real emergency since you have no faith in the other vet? is she eating? sorry this is happening. i know how one can feelhelpless. did you google online or check out www.holisticat.com archives to see if they cover this? have you tried a probiotic?(sold at health food stores) the natural vet remedies book i have suggests fasting anyway--but your cat might be dehydrated. you have to catch her and see how elastic her skin is. what did the good vet say about the blood in her stools a year ago? has she been urinating at all? - Original Message - From: Amy Sharpe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Please Help I have been on the list for a while but do not write oftenmy cat Kalleigh is sick today. She is 3 years old and has been felv+ since birth. She hasn't had any problems except anemia and blood in her stools about a year ago. Today she is throwing up what looks like runny poop. It is very dark brown. She has also lost weight in the last couple of days and stays hidden. I can't get her into the good vet in town and will end up taking her to the bad one so she can get meds. Has anyone had any experience with anything like this? Thanks, Amy Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
Re: Please Help
can you take her temp also? (and don't panic. jelly roll had 104 temp 2 days ago and now he's normal as he can be for a felv+ cat undergoing chemo) another general cat care book i have says if the vomit is black or bloody, time to get to a vet now. wish I could help more. hang in there. barbara - Original Message - From: Amy Sharpe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Please Help I have been on the list for a while but do not write oftenmy cat Kalleigh is sick today. She is 3 years old and has been felv+ since birth. She hasn't had any problems except anemia and blood in her stools about a year ago. Today she is throwing up what looks like runny poop. It is very dark brown. She has also lost weight in the last couple of days and stays hidden. I can't get her into the good vet in town and will end up taking her to the bad one so she can get meds. Has anyone had any experience with anything like this? Thanks, Amy Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
Re: Mega C Plus/Does anyone know about this?
Jelly roll was on it adn so is Clancy whose allergies have erupted again (tho they hadn't for almost 2 yrs--and I think he has gingivitis or stomatis as his eating is off but i can't catch him as he was a foster cat who came to stay and is a big big bulldog of a cat). Mr. Bean-6+ yrs old is also on it and he's been great knock on scratching post wood--tho occassionally his gingivitis flares up.) I have all my cats(felv+ and -) on it except the one who had oxalate crystals/flutd. as for miracle cure, I guess not since Jelly roll now has acute undifferentiated leukemia but he was great until 3 weeks ago. - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Mega C Plus/Does anyone know about this? This is the founder of Innova pet foods and veterinarian who has supposedly published articles on various topics including FeLV. Supposedly, he has successfully converted every FeLv positive cat to negative in his practice. http://www.belfield.com/article2.html Has anyone tried his Mega C Plus?
Re: Need advice on needle breaking off shot
I would at least call a vet to ask. (don't beat yourself up about it. Hey, you're taking care of an otherwise homeless cat). let us know, Barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: OT: Need advice on needle breaking off shot Hi. I give insulin shots to a cat at the local shelter twice a day. I use the very thinnest needles. Tonight when i drew the insulin, the needle bent and I straightened it. This must have weakened it, because when I gave him the shot and withdrew the syringe the needle had broken off. he did not seem to feel it, and I checked him over in detail and pet him for about 20 minutes and could not find it. At one point I thought I felt it, but then I didn't again. It is not necessarily in his neck, but it might be. He is acting normal. What do you think I should do? Do you think this could hurt him/ get infected/ etc.? Should I take him to a vet for x-rays or something to see if it is in there and needs to be removed? He is diabetic and FIV+ and otherwise healthy, although he has a bit of a runny eye today. Michelle
OT: cats insulin page link
awk! I deleted whoever sent message to list about broken needle. I found this webpage while googling--maybe this person could help. http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:5MsWYH6f9AYJ:sugarcat_simon.home.att.net/inject.html+accidentally+broken+needle+insulin+cat%27s+bodyhl=en
OT: broken needle more info!!!!!!
You might bend the needle while putting the cap back on and when you did the injection it could break off - in the cat's skin. Worst case? The needle breaks off and goes all the ay in and is now under the skin. An incision would have to be made in order to remove the needle the and the incision would require stitches to close it. Definitely not something we are going to do ourselves, so a trip to the vet or emergency clinic would be called for, immediately. (got this off the webpage I just posted link to)
Jelly roll good news bad news
Hi all, woke up this morning and heard someone getting in trouble on my desk in the office and Jelly roll had jumped up there and was scoping out how to get to his favorite thing--the scotch tape gun. he ate canned food on his own not alot but he ate. then the dr. called, the bone marrow tests came back and it's Acute undifferentiated leukemia which is not good. they want to start him on injectable chemo-cytosar 1x weekly for 5-6 weeks. prognosis is 3 weeks to 9 months. so we start this afternoon. Has anyone else's cat been on cytosar? any side effects? It's $200 a session and I feel so guilty after reading in local paper today about a family who is having a fund raiser for their little girl's special treatments that also cost $200/wk that aren't covered by insurance. it's such an adventure being owned by cats. Or is that guilt trip? Barbara and Jelly Roll
thursday night
Thank you all for the messages regarding Jelly roll. it helps to know there are many out there who do not question why I put myself thru this for "a cat" --you all understand why! He's MY BABY! little bug ate some a/d tonight after his first shot and then finished off a jar of baby food. i keep sneaking in good stuff into the baby food but he licks around it. thanks again and gnite Barbara
Re: slightly but not totally off-topic: sounding off
I would definitely say something to her boss---even as a petsitter, you were still her client--she neglected her duty which she was paid for. How could you trust her to watch/take care of your pets at the vet's hospital? Can her boss really trust that she's doing a competent job? I've had to scream bloody murder at my vet because there's one tech who for some reason doesn't do her full duties(I sit there in the office with two dogs, 3 cat carriers and she pulls my chart and says, follow me--how the hell do I do that, lady--get your ass over here and carry two cats for me--she doesn't clean their ears which is included in the office visit until I pointedly ask 3 times--after the vet has told her once to do it and then leaves the room)yes you definitely need to vent but to someone who will inform this woman a job is a job, it's called work not fun, one is not going to fun they are going to work to get paid. She endangered your pets. Barbara - Original Message - From: Mackenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: slightly but not totally off-topic: sounding off Hi all rgh! I need to vent! I discovered that the vet's technician---she works for the vets' clinic I use---that I hire to look after my 9 kitties twice a day when I have to go out of town has been ignoring our agreement and failed to add the necessary supplements to the 6 FeLV cats' food--e.g. no L-Lysin, no CoQ10, etc. Sheer laziness and apathy, I guess---not misunderstanding, since I showed her what I do, and also left clear written directions. It takes about five minutes, I'd say, to add the necessary to the six bowls. She knows they're FeLV cats, professed at the outset to know exactly what's involved with FeLV cats, and knows exactly what supplements I give them. She knew that Caramel had been very ill recently, and she knew that Flavia almost died earlier in the year. This was the third time I'd used her. The first time seemed to go very well, the second time there was a bit of a red flag, and the third time I began to realize that she was just doing her own thing. It is incredibly disappointing when someone who professes to care for animals reveals themselves to be so, well, uncaring and irresponsible. She had no explanation/excuse apart from 'family emergency'. (Twice?) She did apologize profusely and offered me a refund when she realized the game was up. Obviously she's no longer going to be looking after my cats. Those cats depended on her and she let them down. Thanks for listening! Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: You people are quiet today
be glad very glad you could not hear me screaming from here. last night jelly roll had 103.7 temp but it was late and no way was i driving in rainstorm one hour to go to vet--I did talk with them--and since Jelly was eating, my exhaustion won out and I decided to check himduring often during the night and then go today to vet if necessary. temp in am was 104 so called vet and off we went. first I got held up for 20 mins. by world's longest funeral procession--when I actually started to count cars, I counted 137 so have no idea how many were that I didn't count. since it was in center of a large town, every time the light changed, the procession was held up trying to turn in front of me, blocking me from driving straight through. I asked the police officer could I please go and he just snarled at me, so what if it's a sick cat? got to vet and after 3 1/2 hours, the bloodwork showed the wbc hadn't gone down more but they are still very very low. the cat also fought the staff trying to take its temp and they said, for a sick animal, he's a fighter. Meanwhile out in waiting room, when Ipolitely asked a tall gentleman watching another tv set if he could turn off the tv mounted on wall over my head(the waitiing room has 4 tv's and noone was watching the one over my head, they were all facing the other way watching Emergency Vets on Animal Planet)the man threw a hissy fit and his partner joined in on me for upsetting him. (Remind me to just let that damn QVC channel stay on next time.) the vet said the appetite stimulants dont' work that well on cats by the way. and then told me Jelly had fleas. (courtesy of visiting a friend over the weekend who had an abandoned mom cat with 6 kittens I guess) so had to get treatment for 7 cats and 1 dogs. when I got home, I proceeded to have fun chasing 3 half feral cats around my house who in the process peed all over my cedar chest that holds all my clothes, peed under our king sized bed bookcase headboard(which when the company brought it into the house, said -decide now lady where you want this because you ain't never gonna move this again)-peed in the bathroom where i finally cornered the last one and all over me too--but i did get them all. then it was after 4 pm and i still had not had lunch but the gang decided they wanted their lunch also. halfway thru walking the poor dog on his afternoon walk, the rain came down again and we got drenched. realized i also had to wash every single pet bedding and people bedding because of the fleas and that laundry is still not done. then the remarkable phone system my brilliant engineer husband set up(sarcasm there.)decided to go kablooey--the downstairs phone with teh ans. machine rings but I can't talk on it---the upstairs one does not ring but I can talk on that one and that running upstairs and downstairs made up for our cut short dog walk but at least the cats got exercise too because they proceeded to get spooked by my activity and run like crazy up and down the stairs also. Through it all, Jelly slept. He woke up at 6 and peeked his head around the corner of the kitchen and I set out a small can of Fancy Feast and turned around to get the baby spoon to feed him if he would and turned back to find he was eating on his own. he finished half of that and also ate some Petguard Premium and some SD a/d. So I stood there hardly daring to breathe while he ate and thanked God for tipping me for all the laughs I gave him today. Now I will be quiet again. g'nite and hope everyone and their fur babies are sleeping peacefully, too Barbara and Jelly Roll (who climbed the stairs to come sleep upstairs tonight-YEAY!!) - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: You people are quiet today This is just a test. I haven't gotten an email from the list today and I want to make sure I'm still receiving. Thanks
Re: You people are quiet today
Aww, hope your doggie is feeling better soon and you, too. Barbara - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: You people are quiet today In Arkansas, the weather's changing, hot then cold then hot, so I got a weird virus (cough). No energy. Also, sick old doggie, lots of medicating (sigh). Gloria This is just a test. I haven't gotten an email from the list today and I want to make sure I'm still receiving. Thanks
Need name of holistic vet in NJ again
Good evening, my helpful youngest cat-jelly roll's sister-Princess Seven Layer Eats a Lot deleted a whole bunch of mailing list emails I hadn't gone through yet plus some I was trying to keep. I lost the email from a list member who recommended her holistic vet in NJ--can't recall if it was someone on this list or the feline cancer one. The list member said the vet was available for phone consultation. thank you, Barbara and a big headache at midnight
Re: Jelly Roll -eating less
i did get a whole jar of baby food into him at lunchtime by holding the spoon in front of him today plus he ate on his own, some eagle brand food and chicken livers first. i will take him back to vet because he had interest at dinnertime(usually I only feed the gang 2x day however added on a small evening meal for jelly and of course everyone wants some) but only ate a little so maybe the gingivitis is a problem again. last visit he had even gained weight so will be curious to see what his weight is this time if i can get an appt. before our next checkup on 26th. forgetful me didn't ask how much he weighed so i could check at home... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Jelly Roll -eating less Have you tried syringe feeding him to get more calories in him and get him going with food? I don't remember if you had started that. Sometimes that gets them going. Michelle
Re: Jelly Roll -eating less
What is Jelly Roll's hematocrit? Has it been holding steady or is it declining?? The loss of appetite could be due to the chemo and all the meds, but if Jelly Roll is becoming increasingly anemic, a declining appetite is, unfortunately, very typical. It depends on what is causing the anemia as to how much hope there is for some improvement with treatment. If the anemia is due to the virus causing complete bone marrow failure, there is little hope anything will reverse the process...it is just a matter of time. Some members have tried using epogen, which is supposed to stimulate the bone marrow to produce red cells, but it seems to be most effective when there is some other cause than complete bone marrow failure due to FeLV. I wish I could offer you more words of encouragement. Thank you , Sally, for listening and your informative reply. the hematocrit did decline according to last week's tests. I'm calling the vet tonight to leave mess. to call him when he gets in tomorrow. our next appt is not until the 26th. he ate some chick livers and eagle brand canned food on his own for lunch and i spoon fed him a jar of baby food. he did eat the whole jar. I had added a 3rd meal since he seemed interested in food in the evening but tonight he only ate a little. had already given him up 2 1/4's of pepcid so didn't want to give more. maybe his gingivitis is bothering him again. thanks for listening. barbara and Jelly Roll
Re: Jelly Roll -eating less
the vet is off tomorrow-in another state. I will ask him Tuesday.Thank you. Jelly ate another jar of baby food tonight---I gave him some nettles in liquid form and as a reward gave him a spoonful of baby food and he wanted almost the whole jar. And thank you for the prayers. at least the day is ending better than it started. I prepared all 8 cats' breakfasts with all their supplements and the 5th can of food I opened, I was preoccupied and had dished it onto the 8 bowls and then realized the food really stunk. looked at the can and saw the bottom was blown out--friggin' botulism. so all the vitamins and careful measuring of supplements had to be dumped. you can believe eagle brand holistic cat food is getting a long letter from me! Barbara and Jelly Roll Have you tried peroxicam for the gingivitis? I got it in liquid form, with what's suppose to be fish flavor. It actually just tastes like a heavy oil, they probably don't expect owners to taste it. It's a prescription, so ask your vet about it. It has really helped relieve their sore mouths. I'm praying for Jelly and you.
