Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 02:15:45AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:47:59PM +0200, Clément Bœsch wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:16:12PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) (also limited to real unique bugs of course) What about the votes instead of time? https://trac.ffmpeg.org/report/11 iam fine with any rating, no preferrance here but votes can be manipulated, time is alot harder though we shouldnt try to fix an issue where theres no issue. We could still switch to time when someone tries to manipulate the votes, if that ever happens ... In that case, maybe we (any recent ff developer) could just discuss in a committee which bugs should be rewarded (with the help of the votes or not). If it's like 10-15 bugs/reward to decide per year, I think we can handle that. For instance, Stefano was willing to work again on DVD input but sponsored would help here. I support that initiative since it's a blocker for replacing mencoder. In the same spirit, #2391 (VobSub support) is regularly requested. Nicolas could probably work on it, but given how hellish this can be, I think it might be a good idea to propose some remuneration as a motivator. Anyway, this tends to look like a bit like what ffmtech propose... And as you asked initially, this might not be compatible with SPI anyway. -- Clément B. pgpiJwzdo_pMG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50:37AM +0200, Clément Bœsch wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 02:15:45AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:47:59PM +0200, Clément Bœsch wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:16:12PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) (also limited to real unique bugs of course) What about the votes instead of time? https://trac.ffmpeg.org/report/11 iam fine with any rating, no preferrance here but votes can be manipulated, time is alot harder though we shouldnt try to fix an issue where theres no issue. We could still switch to time when someone tries to manipulate the votes, if that ever happens ... In that case, maybe we (any recent ff developer) could just discuss in a committee which bugs should be rewarded (with the help of the votes or not). If it's like 10-15 bugs/reward to decide per year, I think we can handle that. For instance, Stefano was willing to work again on DVD input but sponsored would help here. I support that initiative since it's a blocker for replacing mencoder. In the same spirit, #2391 (VobSub support) is regularly requested. Nicolas could probably work on it, but given how hellish this can be, I think it might be a good idea to propose some remuneration as a motivator. yes but i dont think 50 USD for these would work as motivation these are not bugs one can fix in a days work. Actually they arent bugs at all but feature requests I think for there to be a motvation the payment should be above the minimum wage of the average western country Anyway, this tends to look like a bit like what ffmtech propose... And as you asked initially, this might not be compatible with SPI anyway. yes if we choose to go ahead with this we will need to find out if this is possible with SPI I suggested in the past that if asking doesnt work its a matter of trying. We can simlpy have a vounteer fix a bug and then ask SPI to pay 50 USD for it. Theres of course the risk our volunteer wont get anything and similarly that risk would stay for future such bounties but hey some people like gambling so it might even increase interrest ;) [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms. -- Aristotle signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
Michael Niedermayer michaelni at gmx.at writes: I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) I believe this is a good idea, age should definitely be a reason for a bounty, we can try votes as well if wanted. The only point I would like to add is that the bounty should be claimed (reserved) in advance to make sure the ticket is still reproducible and we all agree that there is a bug at all. Carl Eugen ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 04:27:15PM -0800, Lou Logan wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:16:12 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) We could look into bountysource as the infrastructure/platform. It might make it easier for users. They take a 10% cut upon withdrawl of awarded funds. They also have a fundraiser feature, but I didn't really read much about that. I signed up the project a while ago just to take a look, and one of the employees contacted me several times via IRC so see if I had any questions or needed help, but my lazignorance ultimately prevailed and I didn't really do anything with it. Here's the project page: https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/458692-ffmpeg this looks pretty cool i am not sure how successfull this would be for us but i definitly support the idea of trying this ... It automatically lists each bug report. I have no experience using bountysource as a user or developer. Does anyone have any experience with this? ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:41:30 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: this looks pretty cool i am not sure how successfull this would be for us but i definitly support the idea of trying this ... I was thinking it would be more useful as a tool for users and downstreams to offer bounties (but not necessarily as a tool for SPI donations for developer bug killing idea due to the double fee hit). Our current system of user offers bounty, we add bounty keyword on trac, nothing happens is not effective. Maybe I'll ask some other projects that are using it about their opinion and how they use it. If we like it then I'll start mentioning it on the bug tracker, etc, and figure out how to best implement it. Here's the team page: https://www.bountysource.com/teams/ffmpeg Interested developers can register and I can add them to the FFmpeg team. Or lazy people can just squawk here, or email me, and I can send an invite. Lou ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On 08/29/2014 01:34 AM, Lou Logan wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:41:30 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: this looks pretty cool i am not sure how successfull this would be for us but i definitly support the idea of trying this ... I was thinking it would be more useful as a tool for users and downstreams to offer bounties (but not necessarily as a tool for SPI donations for developer bug killing idea due to the double fee hit). Our current system of user offers bounty, we add bounty keyword on trac, nothing happens is not effective. Maybe I'll ask some other projects that are using it about their opinion and how they use it. If we like it then I'll start mentioning it on the bug tracker, etc, and figure out how to best implement it. Here's the team page: https://www.bountysource.com/teams/ffmpeg Interested developers can register and I can add them to the FFmpeg team. Or lazy people can just squawk here, or email me, and I can send an invite. Lou ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel can you please add me, my id is anshul1912 I have already registered. -Anshul ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:04:21PM -0800, Lou Logan wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:41:30 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: this looks pretty cool i am not sure how successfull this would be for us but i definitly support the idea of trying this ... I was thinking it would be more useful as a tool for users and downstreams to offer bounties (but not necessarily as a tool for SPI donations for developer bug killing idea due to the double fee hit). Our current system of user offers bounty, we add bounty keyword on trac, nothing happens is not effective. yes Maybe I'll ask some other projects that are using it about their opinion and how they use it. If we like it then I'll start mentioning it on the bug tracker, etc, and figure out how to best implement it. please do thanks [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Observe your enemies, for they first find out your faults. -- Antisthenes signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
Hi, On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Michael Niedermayer michae...@gmx.at wrote: Hi all I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) (also limited to real unique bugs of course) The intend would be two fold, first to get some old bugs fixed, and 2nd to give a tiny bit back to thouse who do fix bugs One big question is, can SPI donations be used for this ? anyone knows if other projects used SPI for something similar ? Comments, Suggestions, Death threads welcome! We did this originally for ffmtech, I thought it was a cool idea but not everybody liked it... Ronald ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Clément Bœsch u...@pkh.me wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:16:12PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) (also limited to real unique bugs of course) What about the votes instead of time? https://trac.ffmpeg.org/report/11 The old bugs might not be relevant in a lot of cases. Typically a single user having an issue hardly reproducible, and so old he doesn't even care about anymore. The votes on the other hand reflect the public demand. [...] -- Clément B. ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel Hi, In my opinion money is not a good motivator for people who work on open source projects. This idea is clearly described in book of Daniel Pink Drive http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivates/dp/1594484805/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1409176363sr=8-1keywords=drive+-+daniel+pink. In long term paying money for old bugs kills motivation, because people start to consider these tasks as boring. Instead I would suggest to think how we can show that these bugs are important and how fixing these bugs would help people (FFmpeg users). Clément Bœsch gave an excellent idea to vote for bugs, so developers can see how it's important and focus on things which really matter. Also having some status or list of most active contributors on FFmpeg website would be great. I mean status which is calculated automatically using bug fixing stats. ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Bug bounties
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:16:12 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all I was thinking about if we should put an automatic 50 USD bounty on every bug thats open since more than 12 month on trac, and limited to the first 20 claims so its limited to 1000 USD max expenses for us (for now) We could look into bountysource as the infrastructure/platform. It might make it easier for users. They take a 10% cut upon withdrawl of awarded funds. They also have a fundraiser feature, but I didn't really read much about that. I signed up the project a while ago just to take a look, and one of the employees contacted me several times via IRC so see if I had any questions or needed help, but my lazignorance ultimately prevailed and I didn't really do anything with it. Here's the project page: https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/458692-ffmpeg It automatically lists each bug report. I have no experience using bountysource as a user or developer. Does anyone have any experience with this? ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
