RE: filmscanners: Profiling, Ilford XP2 and Vuescan.

2000-11-25 Thread Tony Sleep

 -- I like to ask you color wizards to tell me if the generic setting scans
 of the ilford xp2 film show a distinctive color cast on your calibrated
 monitor or seem black and white enough.

I haven't tried XP2, but with the similar TMax400CN, I get pretty much BW. Anything 
else suggests monitor or monitor calibration problems - try viewing a greyscale step 
wedge and seeing if that is neutral as it should be. There's one at 
www.halftone.co.uk/tech/filmscan/compare.htm (the top - synthesised - one, called 
something like 24step.gif from memory)

 I also like to know whether it
 should be black and white if scanned with 'generic color' setting in
 vuescan, since the film has this purple color (i.s.o. an orange mask)
 attributed to what is called an anti-halation dye by others in this thread.

Bound to come out some sort of funny hue.
Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive/Umax scanner

2000-11-25 Thread Tony Sleep

  Does anyone have any experience with the Maxtor Diamond Max 81.9 (EIDE)
 GB 5400 rpm hard drive?
  Does anyone have any experience with the Maxtor Diamond Max 81.9 (EIDE)
 GB 5400 rpm hard drive?

I've had (still have) quite a few Maxtor drives and all have been good, apart from one 
5Gb drive which died after ~2yrs. The 7200rpm versions are significantly faster, 
though 
not quite as quick as the IBM 7200rpm Deskstars, which is what I use now, for 
preference.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive

2000-11-25 Thread Ezio

I can say the same about my upgrade to 10,000rpm U160 IBM SCSI ...18Gb and
36GB .
Photoshop and other I/O bound applications receive a great help in speeding
up from I/O ... MORE than upgrading the clock of the CPU.

Sincerely.

Ezio

www.lucenti.com  e-photography site


- Original Message -
From: "OK Photo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive


 My last h/d upgrade was from a 5400 to  7200 rpm
 The access time difference is like night and day.

 If it's images you're wanting to store and retrieve
 then I'd highly recommend a 7200 rpm drive.

 Paul


 Somewhat off topic: To store my scanned photos I want to add a second
hard
 drive.  Does anyone have any experience with the Maxtor Diamond Max 81.9
 (EIDE)
 GB 5400 rpm hard drive?  Several of the customer reviews have been less
than
 enthusiastic about this item.  Does anyone have any first hand
experience?
 Would the Maxtor 60 GB hard drive (EIDE) be a better choice in terms of
 quality
 and functioning properly out of the box? Any experience with their tech
 support
 people (also several negative comments regarding t.s.)?

  
http://okphoto.webjump.com
 P:250-498-2800  F:250-498-6876
  





Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive

2000-11-25 Thread Rob Geraghty

Ezio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Photoshop and other I/O bound applications receive a great help in
speeding
 up from I/O ... MORE than upgrading the clock of the CPU.

Anyone wanting more IO speed at a reasonable price might want to think about
an IDE array.  Promise make an IDE RAID card - check their web site and
you'll find a link to a comparison of a 2 drive array with a 15K rpm SCSI
drive.  The array performs pretty well.  I find myself constantly frustrated
by waiting for scans to load and save.  My second hard drive is an old mode
4 5400rpm drive - the CDROM drive actually reads a scan file faster than the
old hard drive!

Price for an array: 2 x IBM 7200rpm 15GB drives + Promise RAID Controller
total cost about US$330
The cost of a SCSI 3 adapter and a suitable SCSI 3 drive would be quite a
bit more.

Rob





filmscanners: Max Sharpness?

2000-11-25 Thread ALLM Rose

Hello FSD!  I've been lurking for quite some time-now for a question.

I've been reading everything I can get on scanning and digital manipulation
for months.  I bought a Nikon LS-30, Epson 870, Vuescan, Photoshop 6.0, etc,
etc, everything but the kitchen sink.  Despite my best efforts, the
sharpness of my scans and prints varies a noticeable amount (to me) on
slides I know are tack sharp, and overall I am usually not satisfied with
the sharpness and detail.  I am wondering if it is my digital manipulations
causing the sharpness loss.  Here's what I do:

Vuescan
- 48-bit files, scanned at 64-RGBI
- Scour setting (does not seem to effect sharpness at all??)
- Adobe RGB color space
- Usually 16 passes to maximize detail in dark areas/minimize noise

Photoshop (in order) - Adobe RGB color space
- Curves/Levels
- Color Balance
- Any area specific manipulation
- Convert to 8-bit
- Unsharp mask (170, 1.2, 4)

or

- Curves/levels
- Area specific manipulation
- Convert to 8-bit
- Test Strip (color balance and everything)
- Unsharp mask

When I print, the file is sized to 8.5" X 11", and I've tried 360 dpi, 240,
300 dpi and the unchanged 315 dpi if no resolution change is made when
sizing.  There's no real difference than I can tell consistently.

Is there anything else I can do to make these prints as sharp as possible
with this set-up, sharper/greater detail than what I am doing?  My computer
is not a negative contributor, as I've got 256MB RAM and a AMD Athlon 700Mhz
processor.  Come to think of it, if the list has a specific listing and/or
order to this process, please email me your methods.  I can consolidate them
and post them to the web, or email back to the listing.

Any and all advice greatly appreciated!  Thanks,

Mark Rose




Re: filmscanners: Max Sharpness?

2000-11-25 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 11/25/2000 6:34:04 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Vuescan
  - 48-bit files, scanned at 64-RGBI
  - Scour setting (does not seem to effect sharpness at all??)

The Scour setting significantly blurs the image.  You should
only use it for really dirty slides.

Try using the Clean setting.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Re: Science vs. religion (was RE: filmscanners: Re: Print dpi

2000-11-25 Thread Tony Sleep

 Uh, what kind of scanners are you talking about? Is this a philosophy
 chat room?
 
 John Matturri wrote:
  
  Clark Guy wrote:

A valid point, which you went and spoiled somewhat by quoting the whole damn message 
back! Please folks, quote selectively - just the bits that are relevant.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Poor shadows - Monitor limitations?

2000-11-25 Thread Tony Sleep

  Yet
 another of the many issues to be addressed when reviewing a scanner
 properly...a lot of comments about XYZ scanner's good noise levels really just
 reflect a monitor that isn't showing deep shadows properly to start with.

If this is an oblique comment directed at me, which given our previous differences re 
Polaroid 4000 noise it probably is, then I refute what you say. I have never carried 
out evaluations of any scanner merely by looking at what appears on screen: that would 
be sloppy and idiotic. 

You will see that several reviews feature comparisons of noise created by increasing 
contrast and brightness to expose it more clearly, something I do for all scanners. 

I stand by my conclusions that, for correctly exposed originals and sensible black 
point settings, the Polaroid 4000 is the lowest noise unit I have looked at so far, 
albeit with some compression of dark tones. Like all CCD scanners, it produces noise, 
but nearly all of it is below DMin on most films and can be safely discarded by 
setting 
a black point which retains virtually all of the image info. Now if you care to argue 
with that, please go ahead, as it derives from evidence, not innuendo.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Poor shadows - Monitor limitations?

2000-11-25 Thread Tony Sleep

 I am actively looking for a new monitor but am I being too optimistic 
 in hoping that it might resolve this?
 I am actively looking for a new monitor but am I being too optimistic 
 in hoping that it might resolve this?

I think it's normal behaviour for monitors to compress dark tones, even when correctly 
calibrated. At least I have not used one which doesn't. But it's also a tendency of 
CCD 
scanners as well - one of the great advantages of drumscanners is that they maintain 
dark tone separation.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



RE: filmscanners: Max Sharpness?

2000-11-25 Thread Andreas Kurz

Hi,
I use a Nikon LS30, mostly with Vuescan. Is there a difference in the way
how Nikon software uses the ICE feature? Which software achieves more
sharpness when using ICE?
Thanks
Andi



In a message dated 11/25/2000 6:34:04 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Vuescan
  - 48-bit files, scanned at 64-RGBI
  - Scour setting (does not seem to effect sharpness at all??)

The Scour setting significantly blurs the image.  You should
only use it for really dirty slides.

Try using the Clean setting.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick




Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive

2000-11-25 Thread Mike Kersenbrock

Rob Geraghty wrote:

 Price for an array: 2 x IBM 7200rpm 15GB drives + Promise RAID Controller
 total cost about US$330

I've been doing upgrades lately, and in addition to going to a 950Mhz Athlon T-bird,
I paid an additional US$20 to get the RAID version of the ABIT KT-7 motherboard.

It provides IDE RAID to which I connected two 30G Maxtor (sorry) 7200 RPM ATA/100 
drives
in striping mode (for speed) which gave me a very fast 60GB "virtual-physical" disk. 
The
drives were about US$130 each for a total of US$280 for a very fast 60GB.  It's a 
GREAT deal faster than the previous "ordinary" drive pre-upgrade.

Mike K.

 
 Rob



Re: Science vs. religion (was RE: filmscanners: Re: Print dpi comparison)

2000-11-25 Thread John Matturri

Well if you _really_ want things to be on topic, think of the Timo-type linear gamma
theories in terms of the last paragraph quoted below. Myself, I try to stay away from
these OT threads but sometimes the spirit is willing but the pedant is weak.

John M.

James Klebau wrote:

 Uh, what kind of scanners are you talking about? Is this a philosophy
 chat room?

 John Matturri wrote:
 
  Clark Guy wrote:
 
  The evidence is not everything. There are strong arguments that it is better in
  the long run to have eccentrics who explore theories for which there is not
  adequate current evidence. Early proposals of continental drift were not
  currently supported but led to the theory being available when the evidence
  later developed. Of course, most such oddball theories do not work out.
 
  John M.




filmscanners: Newbie question about film scanner noise??

2000-11-25 Thread Dan Kimble

Tony Sleep wrote:
 I stand by my conclusions that, for correctly exposed originals and sensible black
 point settings, the Polaroid 4000 is the lowest noise unit I have looked at so far,

Could some one please tell me how to measure the noise created by a film
scanner and why it is so important? 

What does noise look like?

I recently returned a SS4000 scanner and picked up a RFS3600. I like
the  image from RFS3600 better. I have read post that claim the RFS3600
is noisy (not Tony Sleep by the way). So how does one evaluate this
claim for himself.

Is it possible to have a noisy scan that looks better? I'll be glad when
several people in the know do a comparison to the other scanners so I
will know how how this one stacks up. 

Either way I'm keeping this one because I like it better, I would just
like to know the details.

Thanks in advance,
Dan



Re: filmscanners: Max Sharpness?

2000-11-25 Thread Tim Mimpriss

I had an LS-2000 and the same may apply. The autofocus is not always
as competent as one would wish, and you may need to select the ideal
spot to focus on using the manual focus option. You may also find that
placing emulsion side uppermost improves the autofocus performance.

The real problem is that "affordable" scanners often do not deliver
the goods. Do not be misled by the term  'optical resolution' in the
scanner specification. It refers only to digital bit resolution: the
true optical performance of the lens system may be much worse.

Tim Mimpriss
Cymru (Wales)

- Original Message -
From: "ALLM Rose" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:26 AM
Subject: filmscanners: Max Sharpness?


 Hello FSD!  I've been lurking for quite some time-now for a
question.

 I've been reading everything I can get on scanning and digital
manipulation
 for months.  I bought a Nikon LS-30, Epson 870, Vuescan, Photoshop
6.0, etc,
 etc, everything but the kitchen sink.  Despite my best efforts, the
 sharpness of my scans and prints varies a noticeable amount (to me)
on
 slides I know are tack sharp, and overall I am usually not satisfied
with
 the sharpness and detail.  I am wondering if it is my digital
manipulations
 causing the sharpness loss.  Here's what I do:

 Vuescan
 - 48-bit files, scanned at 64-RGBI
 - Scour setting (does not seem to effect sharpness at all??)
 - Adobe RGB color space
 - Usually 16 passes to maximize detail in dark areas/minimize noise

 Photoshop (in order) - Adobe RGB color space
 - Curves/Levels
 - Color Balance
 - Any area specific manipulation
 - Convert to 8-bit
 - Unsharp mask (170, 1.2, 4)

 or

 - Curves/levels
 - Area specific manipulation
 - Convert to 8-bit
 - Test Strip (color balance and everything)
 - Unsharp mask

 When I print, the file is sized to 8.5" X 11", and I've tried 360
dpi, 240,
 300 dpi and the unchanged 315 dpi if no resolution change is made
when
 sizing.  There's no real difference than I can tell consistently.

 Is there anything else I can do to make these prints as sharp as
possible
 with this set-up, sharper/greater detail than what I am doing?  My
computer
 is not a negative contributor, as I've got 256MB RAM and a AMD
Athlon 700Mhz
 processor.  Come to think of it, if the list has a specific listing
and/or
 order to this process, please email me your methods.  I can
consolidate them
 and post them to the web, or email back to the listing.

 Any and all advice greatly appreciated!  Thanks,

 Mark Rose






Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive

2000-11-25 Thread Guido Grassel

Question was:

 Somewhat off topic: To store my scanned photos I want to add a second hard
 drive.

I recommend the IBM DMA 100, 7200rpm drives (approx. 30, 40, or 70GB): fast,
quiet, reliable, sensibly priced. Scored firsts in most reviews.

- Guido




filmscanners: Silverfast v5.02 problem

2000-11-25 Thread Guido Grassel

Hi,

I have a problem with Silverfast and the Twain Interface. The first time
I select Acquire from the host application, the initializing Silverfast
manages to find my scanner. After returning to the host application and
then re-starting Silverfast by selecting Acquire again, Silverfast bails
out with an error that it can not find any connected Scanner. The only
cure is to quit and restart the host application.

I am using Silverfast 5.02 for LS30/2000.
Host applications I tried are Paintshop Pro 6 and IrfanView 3 (both
produce the same effect)
My OS is Windows 2000, RAM and disk space should not be an issue.
The Scanner is a LS 2000.

Anybody who can help?

- Guido




Re: : Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-25 Thread photoscientia

Hi Ed.

Ed Lusby wrote:

 My question is, how do I know if adobe gamma is going to set the monitor
 at 2.2, or if the 3dfx software will over-ride and set the gamma to
 whatever you set it at?  The monitor gamma seems much higher than the
 voodoo card's default value of 1.00.

Adobe Gamma overrides any video card settings in my experience, and doesn't give the
gamma that it claims. My personal opinion: ignore Adobe gamma and use the video card
software.
You can disable Adobe gamma by deleting the shortcut to "Adobe gamma loader.exe" in
your Windows startup folder.

 "Without deviation from the norm, no progress is possible."
   Frank Zappa

"The most common element in the universe isn't Hydrogen, it's stupidity" - FZ.

Regards,Pete.





Re: filmscanners: Poor shadows - Monitor limitations?

2000-11-25 Thread bjs


- Original Message -
From: "Tony Sleep" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Poor shadows - Monitor limitations?



 If this is an oblique comment directed at me,

  snipped a bunch of defensive paranoia.


Keep your shirt on Tony...wasn't even thinking about you.  Suggest loosening
that death grip you seem to have on your keyboard.

In my experience the average person trying to decipher scanner rhetoric isn't
aware that getting the monitor profiled (and adjusted) correctly has a big
impact on visible deep shadow performance (be it detail or noise). So I
pointed that out in an attempt to share my experience...isn't that the point of
the list ?

Sigh,
Byron




Re: filmscanners: Newbie question about film scanner noise??

2000-11-25 Thread =shAf=

Dan Kimble writes ...

 Tony Sleep wrote:
  I stand by my conclusions that, for correctly exposed originals
and sensible black
  point settings, the Polaroid 4000 is the lowest noise unit I have
looked at so far,

 Could some one please tell me how to measure the noise created by a
film
 scanner and why it is so important?

 What does noise look like?
 ...

Imagine a clear blue sky, but that if you zoom in on the
individual pixels you realize they are all not the same shade of blue.
By itself, this variation in blue may not be noise ... it could be the
film's emulsion scattering the illumination AND noise ... which of
course makes noise a bit difficult to measure noise by itself.
However ... you can make your best effort by scanning a fine negative
(... in my opinion offering less contribution from the emulsion, but
opinions and scanners vary ...).  Choose a solid color with absolutely
no variation of color due to subject, and select a rectangle within in
it ... now choose Photoshop's histogram, and you should see a single
peak.  PS's histogram will indicate the "average" pixel value and the
"standard deviation" of pixel values outside the "average" value ...
the std dev is your measure of noise.

shAf  :o)




Re: filmscanners: Noise from 10K rpm discs ... was :Second Hard Drive

2000-11-25 Thread Ezio

Dear Frank, the noise is almost like the one coming from the IDE 7200 and
1 ... it is a matter of manufacturer technology IMHO.
IBM makes them very silent (if related to Quantum and Maxtor) ... the real
problem I have found is with the 36GB  it is a heater !! ...
thus I have added a fan below the disk ... it stores itself below the disk
in the same bay ... and I have solved the problem to have messages of
warning since 3 months ago when I have installed firstly.
The 18GB seems to be ''cooler''.
The sustained transfer rate benchmarked weekly is for all of them 29MB/s.
They are 3 and sharing the same SCSI path.

Sincerely.

Ezio

www.lucenti.com  e-photography site


- Original Message -
From: "Frank Paris" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive


 How is the noise level of these 10K rpm drives?

 Frank Paris
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Julie, female Galah (3 1/2 years and going strong at the moment)
 Little Birdie, male Splendid Parakeet (13 years)
 Snowflake, male cockatiel (12 years)
 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ezio
  Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:04 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive
 
 
  I can say the same about my upgrade to 10,000rpm U160 IBM SCSI ...18Gb
and
  36GB .
  Photoshop and other I/O bound applications receive a great help
  in speeding
  up from I/O ... MORE than upgrading the clock of the CPU.
 
  Sincerely.
 
  Ezio





Re: filmscanners: Profiling, Ilford XP2 and Vuescan.

2000-11-25 Thread photoscientia

  -- I like to ask you color wizards to tell me if the generic setting scans
  of the ilford xp2 film show a distinctive color cast on your calibrated
  monitor or seem black and white enough.

Most scanner software will render any monochromatic negative as fairly neutral black 
and
white when set to colour negative mode, even if it has a strong colour bias -  for
instance; Tmax with it's purple dye not fully washed out.

The reason is that the scanner software automatically adjusts the black level and white
level when scanning negatives, bring the three RGB channels to the same end-points.
This automatically gets rid of any colour cast.

The thing to do is to sample the image with the eyedropper tool, and if the RGB values
are within 1 or two of each other, then the image should appear pretty neutral on your
monitor.
If they are, and it doesn't, then I'd suspect your monitor.

Regards,  Pete.





filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 shadow/noise

2000-11-25 Thread bjs


- Original Message -
From: "Tony Sleep" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Poor shadows - Monitor limitations?


 I stand by my conclusions that, for correctly exposed originals and sensible
black
 point settings, the Polaroid 4000 is the lowest noise unit I have looked at
so far,
 albeit with some compression of dark tones. Like all CCD scanners, it
 produces noise,  but nearly all of it is below DMin on most films and can be
 safely discarded by setting  a black point which retains virtually all of the
image
 info. Now if you care to argue  with that, please go ahead, as it derives
 from evidence, not innuendo.

 Regards

 Tony Sleep


This sounds great but doesn't actually say anything.  Too many unquantified
caveats.  Most people could substitute their favorite scanner without otherwise
changing a word.

For example, what do the following mean?

1)  "correctly exposed original"
2) "sensible black point setting"
3) "some compression of dark tones"
4) "nearly all of it (noise) below Dmin"
5) "on most films can be safely discarded"
6) "which retains virtually all of the image"


I see only two facts in your paragraph:

a)  The Polaroid has visible noise, and
b)  it compressions shadow detail.


So for these actual facts, I agree.

The rest is unquantifiable and wholly subjective.  Depending on what you mean
by "sensible", "correctly", "some", "nearly all", "most", "virtually all" I may
agree or disagree.   I honestly haven't a clue.

Personally, I think the Polaroid is a decent scanner.  Most of the current
generation are.  Hopefully someday they won't need so many caveats.

Cheers,
Byron





Re: filmscanners: Newbie question about film scanner noise??

2000-11-25 Thread Dan Kimble

Thanks for info. Now all I need is some decent images. I will try to
create some soon. 

Dan

=shAf= wrote:
 
 Dan Kimble writes ...
 
  Tony Sleep wrote:
   I stand by my conclusions that, for correctly exposed originals
 and sensible black
   point settings, the Polaroid 4000 is the lowest noise unit I have
 looked at so far,
 
  Could some one please tell me how to measure the noise created by a
 film
  scanner and why it is so important?
 
  What does noise look like?
  ...
 
 Imagine a clear blue sky, but that if you zoom in on the
 individual pixels you realize they are all not the same shade of blue.
 By itself, this variation in blue may not be noise ... it could be the
 film's emulsion scattering the illumination AND noise ... which of
 course makes noise a bit difficult to measure noise by itself.
 However ... you can make your best effort by scanning a fine negative
 (... in my opinion offering less contribution from the emulsion, but
 opinions and scanners vary ...).  Choose a solid color with absolutely
 no variation of color due to subject, and select a rectangle within in
 it ... now choose Photoshop's histogram, and you should see a single
 peak.  PS's histogram will indicate the "average" pixel value and the
 "standard deviation" of pixel values outside the "average" value ...
 the std dev is your measure of noise.
 
 shAf  :o)



filmscanners: scan artifact

2000-11-25 Thread =shAf=

Anyone know what this is? (see attachment)  I originally thought
it was a problem with my scanner, but it appears the same if I reverse
the scan direction.  I have my own thoughts as to what it may be, but
I'd like to make sure.
The image's aspect is misleading ... the long dimension has been
cropped off, so the scan direction is perpendicular to the dark
streaking.  It is negative film (Reala), and what I've presented
extremely exagerates the artifact.  It is actually barely visible,
altho I spotted it ... this image's gamma has been squashed (0.2
relative).
Your thoughts are much appreciated ...

shAf  :o)

 problem.jpg


Re: : Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-25 Thread Mystic

Re:  "voodoo card's default value of 1.00"

As I understand it, this is not the card's gamma, but simply a point of reference from
which value is added or subtracted,should you choose to do some tweaking there.
Comments anyone?
Mike

- Original Message -
From: "Tony Sleep" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 04:21
Subject: Re: : Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others


 My question is, how do I know if adobe gamma is going to set the monitor
 at 2.2, or if the 3dfx software will over-ride and set the gamma to
 whatever you set it at?  The monitor gamma seems much higher than the
 voodoo card's default value of 1.00.

Use one or the other! If you use both, there is no knowing what will be happening.

 Also, why does the adobe gamma software tell you to adjust the monitor
 contrast to the maximum?

Because Adobe Gamma does the attenuation of contrast instead of the monitor control.
Obviously, if it isn't set to maximum, there may be insufficient freedom for software
adjustment within Adobe Gamma.

Regards

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info 
comparisons




Re: : Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-25 Thread Jim Snyder

photoscientia wrote:

  "Without deviation from the norm, no progress is possible."
Frank Zappa

 "The most common element in the universe isn't Hydrogen, it's stupidity" - FZ.


...and here I thought it was apathy...

Jim Snyder




Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive

2000-11-25 Thread Robert Kehl

Ezio,

If I read you right you're saying testing has shown that the 160SCSI drive
outperform an IDE Raid array by more than double.  What is the cost of this
set-up?  Is there an econimical way to get into this type of storage?

Bob Kehl


- Original Message -
From: Ezio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive


 Rob ,  let me please put some doubts on the figures claimed by such
kind
 of vendors ... ;-) ..
 No FLAME at all , but ... 15 years in hardware sales are driving my
 behaviour ... a ''raw'' access to a wild animal like a SCSI 160 through a
 SCSI 160 controller ... TODAY ... is unbeatable specially for LOOONG files
 like ours (images) . (in our environment)
 An array can take a lot of advantages from a wise use of caching
algorhythms
 (too many h ???) ... and thus the data claimed can be foolishing a lot ...
 in facts ... I have demonstrated (at work) how   wild beasts like 1rpm
 SERIAL disks without any cache (buth with many parallel paths) can
 outrageously outperform mega cached (32GB cache) arrays ... handling files
 with a SINGLE DATA FIELD of 64GB  on a 2 Terabyte sub-set of a huger
 file system .

 NO WAY ... in these cases (we are in the same situation if you think we
have
 HUGE files with HUGE records ... and not many files with small records ...
 and sometimes repetitive !!!) to have arrays going faster than ''raw''
 access to fast disks .
 BTW ... the array made 60MB/s sustained throughput ... the wild serial
 beasts made 160MB/s sustained throughput ... on the  same sub-set of data
(2
 Tera) .
 (in this case sustained for almost 4 hours continuously)
 .. the net result ? ... the customer bought 115Tera of raw wild animals
;-)
 .. and I won the bet vs. my colleagues ...  ;-)

 Sincerely.

 Ezio

 www.lucenti.com  e-photography site


 - Original Message -
 From: "Rob Geraghty" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: filmscanners: Second Hard Drive


  Ezio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Photoshop and other I/O bound applications receive a great help in
  speeding
   up from I/O ... MORE than upgrading the clock of the CPU.
 
  Anyone wanting more IO speed at a reasonable price might want to think
 about
  an IDE array.  Promise make an IDE RAID card - check their web site and
  you'll find a link to a comparison of a 2 drive array with a 15K rpm
SCSI
  drive.  The array performs pretty well.  I find myself constantly
 frustrated
  by waiting for scans to load and save.  My second hard drive is an old
 mode
  4 5400rpm drive - the CDROM drive actually reads a scan file faster than
 the
  old hard drive!
 
  Price for an array: 2 x IBM 7200rpm 15GB drives + Promise RAID
Controller
  total cost about US$330
  The cost of a SCSI 3 adapter and a suitable SCSI 3 drive would be quite
a
  bit more.
 
  Rob
 
 






Re: filmscanners: scan artifact

2000-11-25 Thread Dave King

To double check it's actually in the neg you may want to mount in a
slide mount so you can rotate 90 degrees for another scan.

Your exaggerated version looks like something referred to as bromide
drag in BW film processing.  Bromide drag is usually caused by
inadequate agitation, but tired/contaminated chemistry can contribute
as well.  These sort of processing artifacts are most noticeable in
blank sky areas, and can be very difficult to eliminate completely!
It may be that the unexaggerated version (actual negative) is within
the normal range, but you're just noticing it for the first time.

Dave

-- Original Message -
From: =shAf= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: film scanner list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 9:38 PM
Subject: filmscanners: scan artifact


 Anyone know what this is? (see attachment)  I originally thought
 it was a problem with my scanner, but it appears the same if I
reverse
 the scan direction.  I have my own thoughts as to what it may be,
but
 I'd like to make sure.
 The image's aspect is misleading ... the long dimension has been
 cropped off, so the scan direction is perpendicular to the dark
 streaking.  It is negative film (Reala), and what I've presented
 extremely exagerates the artifact.  It is actually barely visible,
 altho I spotted it ... this image's gamma has been squashed (0.2
 relative).
 Your thoughts are much appreciated ...

 shAf  :o)