Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
I have Zoom H2, and it sounds really bad. I gave it to my wife for recording her classes. My bass player has Edirol R-09, which sounds much better. I didn't consider MicroTrack since it didn't meet my needs. I probably won't consider Yamaha either since I don't agree with their design philosophy in general. The issue here is that there is no way something this small could sound great. The question is which one fakes better than others. Usually Sony wins on faking. Sony's design philosophy is not accurate or honest but conformable. I am considering PCM-50 for myself right now. Yes, Sony brakes easily, but that is a trade off I am willing to take for better sounding. TASCAM DR-1 is another one I am interested in, but I need to audition it first. I do like TASCAM but they also have manufacturing issues. My DA78-HR, which I only used for 4 jobs over 6-7 years now dead, and the service center told me they can't fix it(!!). -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
What microphones are you using? My experience is that all of these units sound very similar when using the same mics at the same quality settings. And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the most difference -- the recorder itself makes comparatively little difference. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 7 May 2008, at 10:30 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I have Zoom H2, and it sounds really bad. I gave it to my wife for recording her classes. My bass player has Edirol R-09, which sounds much better. I didn't consider MicroTrack since it didn't meet my needs. I probably won't consider Yamaha either since I don't agree with their design philosophy in general. The issue here is that there is no way something this small could sound great. The question is which one fakes better than others. Usually Sony wins on faking. Sony's design philosophy is not accurate or honest but conformable. I am considering PCM-50 for myself right now. Yes, Sony brakes easily, but that is a trade off I am willing to take for better sounding. TASCAM DR-1 is another one I am interested in, but I need to audition it first. I do like TASCAM but they also have manufacturing issues. My DA78-HR, which I only used for 4 jobs over 6-7 years now dead, and the service center told me they can't fix it(!!). -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Darcy James Argue / 08.5.7 / 11:37 AM wrote: And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the most difference -- the recorder itself makes comparatively little difference. While I agree microphone takes a great part of the quality, the other part is A/D/A as well as pre. Every designer has their own design. Also there is no way to use decent microphone if the device has no balanced input (except Zoom H4). Oh, and with these small devices, you can't even fit the industrial standard A/D/A chips such as Asahi-Kasei. Again, Sony takes great pride on designing A/D/A for human ear comfort rather than accuracy. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On Wed, May 7, 2008 12:26 pm, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Also there is no way to use decent microphone if the device has no balanced input (except Zoom H4). The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 0:36 PM wrote: The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Sorry I missed that. But I think carrying decent microphones with these devices kinda defeats the purpose. Even with balanced input, none of these devices provides phantom, meaning you have to add external pre if you want to use decent microphones. I want something that fits in my bag and record without setting stuff up, or I just carry my regular recording rig. My smallest rig, Metric Halo ULN2+DSP with MBP will be easier to carry and faster to setup compared to above. Also note that these device's A/D/A are designed to work with the onboard microphones, compensating character of limited onboard microphone, while a step-up devices such as TASCAM HD-P2 are designed to work with external microphones. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Has anyone used the ZOOM H2 and found it satisfactory? Dean On May 7, 2008, at 7:30 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I have Zoom H2, and it sounds really bad. I gave it to my wife for recording her classes. My bass player has Edirol R-09, which sounds much better. I didn't consider MicroTrack since it didn't meet my needs. I probably won't consider Yamaha either since I don't agree with their design philosophy in general. The issue here is that there is no way something this small could sound great. The question is which one fakes better than others. Usually Sony wins on faking. Sony's design philosophy is not accurate or honest but conformable. I am considering PCM-50 for myself right now. Yes, Sony brakes easily, but that is a trade off I am willing to take for better sounding. TASCAM DR-1 is another one I am interested in, but I need to audition it first. I do like TASCAM but they also have manufacturing issues. My DA78-HR, which I only used for 4 jobs over 6-7 years now dead, and the service center told me they can't fix it(!!). -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On Wed, May 7, 2008 12:52 pm, A-NO-NE Music wrote: none of these devices provides phantom The Microtrack has phantom. Gotta read those specs. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
I'm chiming in with a vote for a Marantz flash recorder. I have one that I've been using for 4 years now, and it is a workhorse. Phantom power, records to compact flash. I can get 3+ hours of recording at 44.1 uncompressed. I use a Rode NT4 mic. They probably have better units now.and smaller. This unit is like the size of a hardback book. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM, A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 0:36 PM wrote: The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Sorry I missed that. But I think carrying decent microphones with these devices kinda defeats the purpose. Even with balanced input, none of these devices provides phantom, meaning you have to add external pre if you want to use decent microphones. I want something that fits in my bag and record without setting stuff up, or I just carry my regular recording rig. My smallest rig, Metric Halo ULN2+DSP with MBP will be easier to carry and faster to setup compared to above. Also note that these device's A/D/A are designed to work with the onboard microphones, compensating character of limited onboard microphone, while a step-up devices such as TASCAM HD-P2 are designed to work with external microphones. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Dean M. Estabrook / 08.5.7 / 0:54 PM wrote: Has anyone used the ZOOM H2 and found it satisfactory? Again, my comparison between my Zoom H2 and my bass player's Edirol R-09 was done on our weekly gig. We made the setup as similar possible, and placed at the same location. The difference was rather huge, not to mention I was very disappointed since I waited 3 month for my pre-sale ordered H2. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Hi Dennis, While I've been generally happy with the results from my Edirol R-1 digital recorder plus Core Sound binaural capsule mics, if I did have, say, $1000 to spend on a new portable digital recorder plus mics (which I don't, but let's say I did), I am curious what you would recommend. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 7 May 2008, at 1:02 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 12:52 pm, A-NO-NE Music wrote: none of these devices provides phantom The Microtrack has phantom. Gotta read those specs. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
1/4? And how long can it record with it's batteries when using Phantom power? I know my little Marantz box can do over 3 hours driving a stereo mic. If I had a bigger compact flash cartridge, like a 4 gig one, I might be able to go 6 hours. I should try it. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 12:52 pm, A-NO-NE Music wrote: none of these devices provides phantom The Microtrack has phantom. Gotta read those specs. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:06 pm, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'm chiming in with a vote for a Marantz flash recorder. I have one that I've been using for 4 years now, and it is a workhorse. Phantom power, records to compact flash. I can get 3+ hours of recording at 44.1 uncompressed. I use a Rode NT4 mic. They probably have better units now.and smaller. This unit is like the size of a hardback book. I was just about to buy it when the Microtrack came out -- and by then it had better audio specs. The Marantz got relatively weak audio ratings, and there was even a company that specialized in gutting and replacing the ADC in those Marantz units. But I had to wait because the Microtrack orders were way backed up at the beginning. Because I was leaving for Europe, I got an M-Audio Mobile Pre to go with my laptop instead. That's pretty shoddy, though, and its drivers are touchy. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 1:02 PM wrote: The Microtrack has phantom. Gotta read those specs. :) Shoot! I am keep embarrassing myself, huh. The reason why I didn't include Microtrack for my comparison on my purchase was, aside from I didn't want to carry external microphones, I remember either or both card slot and battery slot didn't got me feel right when I tried. I just read the spec. 48v phantom. Nice. My apologies! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:13 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: While I've been generally happy with the results from my Edirol R-1 digital recorder plus Core Sound binaural capsule mics, if I did have, say, $1000 to spend on a new portable digital recorder plus mics (which I don't, but let's say I did), I am curious what you would recommend. Well, you could use that $1,000 to put a down payment on a Nagra LB. :) We (meaning Kalvos Damian, our erstwhile radio show) have the Core Sound mics, which are very nice; they were a gift to the show. I don't have $1,000 to spend either, so I haven't investigated the middle ground of recorders. If I had to do it over, I'd go with the Microtrack again, mostly because of the balanced mic inputs with phantom power, its 96KHz 24bit recording, removable flashcard, and user interface (which I find convenient with its very different buttons for different functions). But I think we're about the head into a next generation scenario where, if too much time isn't spent on thin, we'll get an improved set of analog-digital conversion specs. So my advice would be, unless you're dissatisfied with the Edirol, to wait a year. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:18 pm, Eric Dannewitz wrote: 1/4? And how long can it record with it's batteries when using Phantom power? I don't know, since I keep battery packs in my pocket. Whenever the little icon goes down to half, I plug them in. The spec rates mine at 3-4 hours and the Microtrack II at 4-5 hours, but I never trust those because in the dark I use the backlight often, and in the field it is often cold (I do soundwalks at below zero). The battery doesn't stand up very well in the cold. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Mics (WAS: Recorder)
Hi Dennis, Thanks. What mics do you usually use with the Microtrack? I am mostly interested in what mic options exist for portable digital recorders. Obviously, the availability of balanced inputs and even phantom power in a portable recorder expands the landscape considerably. I first got the Core Sound binaural capsules for use with my old DAT recorder -- they seemed like the simplest and best bang-for-buck option then, but I expect there are lots more options now. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 7 May 2008, at 1:29 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:13 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: While I've been generally happy with the results from my Edirol R-1 digital recorder plus Core Sound binaural capsule mics, if I did have, say, $1000 to spend on a new portable digital recorder plus mics (which I don't, but let's say I did), I am curious what you would recommend. Well, you could use that $1,000 to put a down payment on a Nagra LB. :) We (meaning Kalvos Damian, our erstwhile radio show) have the Core Sound mics, which are very nice; they were a gift to the show. I don't have $1,000 to spend either, so I haven't investigated the middle ground of recorders. If I had to do it over, I'd go with the Microtrack again, mostly because of the balanced mic inputs with phantom power, its 96KHz 24bit recording, removable flashcard, and user interface (which I find convenient with its very different buttons for different functions). But I think we're about the head into a next generation scenario where, if too much time isn't spent on thin, we'll get an improved set of analog-digital conversion specs. So my advice would be, unless you're dissatisfied with the Edirol, to wait a year. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
By the way, I recorded this from row 14 left with the Microtrack on my knee, using its own T-mic: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/waam/fanfare-heat-premiere.mp3 It's the Vermont Youth Orchestra playing my Fanfare:Heat this past Sunday. They'll send a pro recording, but I just had to have an instant-gratification document. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On 7-May-08, at 1:18 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: 1/4? And how long can it record with it's batteries when using Phantom power? I know my little Marantz box can do over 3 hours driving a stereo mic. If I had a bigger compact flash cartridge, like a 4 gig one, I might be able to go 6 hours. I should try it. Yup, 1/4, just like some of the cheaper mixers out there. XLR to 1/4 TRS adapters are cheap and don't take up room on the chassis, which is what they were trying to avoid, I imagine. I hadn't noticed a drain on the battery when the phantom is on, which agrees with what I know about phantom power; there is hardly any current drain, just the bias that drives the mic. This is why those mics with batteries in them last so long between battery changes. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mics (WAS: Recorder)
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:43 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: What mics do you usually use with the Microtrack? I am mostly interested in what mic options exist for portable digital recorders. I try to be minimal. When I have to be really portable (everything in one small bag -- charger and cable, battery packs, spare batteries, spare flashcards, microphones, headphones), then I use the T-mic directly or the Coresound on an ugly but serviceable little tree made from hair ties on a wire coathanger stuck into some stable industrial foam. When I can carry a bigger case, the Microtrack phantom-powers a pair of Studio Projects C-4s with a handmade Jecklin disk (http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/jecklin.html). If I can get than that bigger, I take a mixer and add a Cascade M-20 for highlights and for spatial pieces (like polychoral stuff from the Renaissance) I add a pair of Oktava 0-somethingorothers. Some folks like the Rode NT4 or Audio Technical AT825, but I've never used the Rode and don't care for the AT. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Darcy James Argue wrote: What microphones are you using? My experience is that all of these units sound very similar when using the same mics at the same quality settings. And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the most difference -- the recorder itself makes comparatively little difference. I use the Sony ECM-MS907 stereo mic and get terrific results with my iRiver mp3 player which is no larger than a pack of cigarettes. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
I'm interested in this recorder discussion, too, though there's something that I haven't heard discussed. I have a small Olympic recorder. Nice machine for catching my son's voice, etc, but hits a wall when a full orchestra plays Tchaikovsky. Clips the loud parts. With all of the recorders mentioned can you set input levels? Or do they have built-in compressors (is that what they're called? Where it boosts quiet spots and limits loud parts -- in effect, leveling off the music) or will you really hear the full dynamic range of what you are recording? Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On 7-May-08, at 12:52 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 0:36 PM wrote: The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Sorry I missed that. But I think carrying decent microphones with these devices kinda defeats the purpose. Even with balanced input, none of these devices provides phantom MicroTrack has phantom. C. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On 7-May-08, at 12:26 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 08.5.7 / 11:37 AM wrote: And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the most difference -- the recorder itself makes comparatively little difference. While I agree microphone takes a great part of the quality, the other part is A/D/A as well as pre. Every designer has their own design. Also there is no way to use decent microphone if the device has no balanced input (except Zoom H4). Oh, and with these small devices, you can't even fit the industrial standard A/D/A chips such as Asahi- Kasei. Again, Sony takes great pride on designing A/D/A for human ear comfort rather than accuracy. The MicroTrack has balanced TRS inputs. I can't vouch for the AD converters compared with other digital devices, but the sound quality is WAY better than any portable recorder I have ever used, with the possible exception of a portable DAT. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Andrew Levin / 08.5.7 / 2:32 PM wrote: I have a small Olympic recorder. Nice machine for catching my son's voice, etc, but hits a wall when a full orchestra plays Tchaikovsky. Clips the loud parts. With all of the recorders mentioned can you set input levels? Or do they have built-in compressors (is that what they're called? Where it boosts quiet spots and limits loud parts -- in effect, leveling off the music) or will you really hear the full dynamic range of what you are recording? You do not wish to use limiter. The result is terrible. If you record in 24-bit, you can set the input level at -10db peak, and you still get full resolution. I personally set at -16db. Just a habit. As far as I know, all of these devices gives you input level control. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
I'd say that's pretty impressive. Thanks for sharing. Dean On May 7, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: By the way, I recorded this from row 14 left with the Microtrack on my knee, using its own T-mic: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/waam/fanfare-heat- premiere.mp3 It's the Vermont Youth Orchestra playing my Fanfare:Heat this past Sunday. They'll send a pro recording, but I just had to have an instant-gratification document. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
Most recorders have an analog -20 db input level switch for recording loud sources. My Edirol R-1 does not have an analog switch, and requires a somewhat convoluted method of reducing the input level digitally, which is one of the two things I find most frustrating about it. (The other is that there is no battery level meter -- it just starts flashing when the batteries are about to die, which is Not. Helpful.) Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 7 May 2008, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: I'm interested in this recorder discussion, too, though there's something that I haven't heard discussed. I have a small Olympic recorder. Nice machine for catching my son's voice, etc, but hits a wall when a full orchestra plays Tchaikovsky. Clips the loud parts. With all of the recorders mentioned can you set input levels? Or do they have built-in compressors (is that what they're called? Where it boosts quiet spots and limits loud parts -- in effect, leveling off the music) or will you really hear the full dynamic range of what you are recording? Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder
On 7 May 2008 at 13:11, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dean M. Estabrook / 08.5.7 / 0:54 PM wrote: Has anyone used the ZOOM H2 and found it satisfactory? Again, my comparison between my Zoom H2 and my bass player's Edirol R-09 was done on our weekly gig. We made the setup as similar possible, and placed at the same location. The difference was rather huge, not to mention I was very disappointed since I waited 3 month for my pre-sale ordered H2. I read the reviews at Amazon and someone did the same head-to-head comparison of those two models, and it was basically a wash. According to that review, the R-09 is more expensive, too. The Zoom H2 seemed to me to get the best reviews. The Microtrack II got nearly as good, while the previous model of the Microtrack got *terrible* reviews. I've been wanting something like this to use to record rehearsals of my viol consort so we can use the recordings to make ourselves hear our own playing better, and I'm wondering if I should just wait a couple of years for the next generation of these players? I can't afford it now, anyway! :) -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Recorders
Haven't been reading this thread until today, so someone may have already posted this link, but I thought this site: http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html Very helpful. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders
It's hard for me to get the information I'd like to have about the subtle differences among these machines when the playback files have been compressed to this extent. I don't find the differences among the results to be significant for simple snapshot recording needs. (I hear differences but, without a standard of comparison, I don't know which is more accurate.) I'd be interested to hear results (and more lister's experiences )with separate mics and uncompressed playback files. It is amazing how much less cumbersome and less expensive portable recording has become. The fact that we are giving serious consideration to recordings made with cigarette pack size devices that cost less than $500 represents a remarkable improvement in quality and convenience over my little Sony DAT recorder. Chuck On May 7, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Dick Hauser wrote: Haven't been reading this thread until today, so someone may have already posted this link, but I thought this site: http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html Very helpful. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders
I have to agree with Chuck. What were they thinking? Any tiny flaws in the mics or A/D conversion is completely obliterated by the mp3 encoding, which introduces WAY more audio skewing than any of these machines ever originally showed. Christopher On May 7, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: It's hard for me to get the information I'd like to have about the subtle differences among these machines when the playback files have been compressed to this extent. [snip] On May 7, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Dick Hauser wrote: Haven't been reading this thread until today, so someone may have already posted this link, but I thought this site: http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
