Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
Eric Dannewitz wrote: But Sibelius does not work with Smartmusic. And they do not offer anything like it...as far as I know. Back on topic...makemusic did increase the price of a Smartmusic subscription, but as the library of songs keeps going, it is totally worth it (even though it has a klunky interface). My big beef with SmartMusic is that the subscription is mandatory to use the software, and for much of their library which you subscribe to, they are paying royalties to the publishers of the music. That's fine, but they don't pay you any royalties for using your own music, even though they are charging you for the right to use your own music. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
Actually there is an application called StarPlay. http://www.starplaymusic.com/index.php . It is a similar practice/assessment aid but lacks Smartmusic's ability to adjust tempo to the the student. It doesn't have the extensive content that SmartMusic does, but it has a video component that can be very nice, works great with Sibelius, and has a very clean interface. It's worth a look. It also has the advantage of being free. You pay only for content. And, unlike Smartmusic, you don't have to pay to use your own stuff. It's worth a look. Richard Smith http://www.rgsmithmusic.com Eric Dannewitz wrote: But Sibelius does not work with Smartmusic. And they do not offer anything like it...as far as I know. Back on topic...makemusic did increase the price of a Smartmusic subscription, but as the library of songs keeps going, it is totally worth it (even though it has a klunky interface). But I did try some Smartmusic exercises I made back in Finale 2006 and they open in smartmusic 11 On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:40 PM, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in the meantime Sibelius is offering a $99 cross-grade to Sib 5 until the end of the month. Three guesses whose marketing department is most on the ball, and best understands which side their bread is buttered on!!! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Adding second expression
Bug or feature? (Mac OS 10.5.4, Finale 2009, Mac Pro) I've already entered an expression to all parts in a score. Now I want to drag enclose the same notes and add an mf dynamic, using a metatool. However, it won't be placed. But if I click on each individual note with the metatool it *will* go in. I couldn't find anything in the documentation addressing this. Am I missing something? Andrew ...on the digest ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Adding second expression
On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Andrew Levin wrote: Bug or feature? (Mac OS 10.5.4, Finale 2009, Mac Pro) I've already entered an expression to all parts in a score. Now I want to drag enclose the same notes and add an mf dynamic, using a metatool. However, it won't be placed. But if I click on each individual note with the metatool it *will* go in. I couldn't find anything in the documentation addressing this. Am I missing something? I reported this a few days (a week?) ago. Apparently, if you drag across HANDLES, then they are selected instead of metatool expressions being assigned. However, I discovered a way around it. My text expression (arco) was set to be offset a bit to the left. So when I drag around the notes a second time to enter mf, I have to be very careful NOT to touch the already-entered arco handle, but only drag around notes. This means that if I enter the dynamic (centred) first, then I am out of luck for the arco. But in reverse, I can manage. The other thing I noticed is that individual clicking doesn't give you the same precision as metatool dragging. Dragging around to assign expressions gives you the default placement, while click assigning gives you placement according to where you click. If I drag around all the expressions after individual assignment, then hit the Clear key (on Mac), this restores the default placement. But it's an extra step. I have also noticed differences in the Jazz defaults from the Maestro defaults. I haven't tracked them all down yet. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] list activity?
Haven't seen a thing in days. Wondering of there's something wrong with my account. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
On 18 Sep 2008 at 21:18, Howey, Henry wrote: If you use SMARTMUSIC (and I really do love it) and FINALE (love-hate relationship), you'll be pleased to know that the latest version of SMARTMUSIC 11 will only work with 2009. If this is true, I'm not sure why this is seen as a problem, given that Finale itself has never had backward compatibility of file format. What exactly do you mean by will only work with 2009? It may work with the no-longer-free NOTEPAD 2009, though. These guys really know how to annoy folks. I don't know what the problem is. That there's no longer a free method of creating Smartmusic files? If it weren't for Smartmusic, would MM still be in business at all? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:15 AM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If this is true, I'm not sure why this is seen as a problem, given that Finale itself has never had backward compatibility of file format. What exactly do you mean by will only work with 2009? I think he has it reversed. SmartMusic files created in Finale 2009 are only read by SmartMusic 11. So, there was like a month or so lag between Finale 2009 being released and SmartMusic being able to read the files it creates. It may work with the no-longer-free NOTEPAD 2009, though. These guys really know how to annoy folks. I don't know what the problem is. That there's no longer a free method of creating Smartmusic files? If it weren't for Smartmusic, would MM still be in business at all? Good question.. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] list activity?
Hi Chuck, You must have become inadvertently unsubscribed. Either that or all list mail is getting caught in your ISP's spam trap. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Haven't seen a thing in days. Wondering of there's something wrong with my account. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
I've never understood the reasoning behind SmartMusic's ability to follow the student's tempo -- aren't we supposed to learn it's bad to slow down in the hard parts and speed up in the easy parts? How does that tempo-following ability help the student to learn to keep a steady tempo? I do realize it can be switched off but I've never understood the need for it to be included in the first place. Thanks for the heads-up about StarPlay -- I'll look into that. David H. Bailey Richard Smith wrote: Actually there is an application called StarPlay. http://www.starplaymusic.com/index.php . It is a similar practice/assessment aid but lacks Smartmusic's ability to adjust tempo to the the student. It doesn't have the extensive content that SmartMusic does, but it has a video component that can be very nice, works great with Sibelius, and has a very clean interface. It's worth a look. It also has the advantage of being free. You pay only for content. And, unlike Smartmusic, you don't have to pay to use your own stuff. It's worth a look. Richard Smith http://www.rgsmithmusic.com Eric Dannewitz wrote: But Sibelius does not work with Smartmusic. And they do not offer anything like it...as far as I know. Back on topic...makemusic did increase the price of a Smartmusic subscription, but as the library of songs keeps going, it is totally worth it (even though it has a klunky interface). But I did try some Smartmusic exercises I made back in Finale 2006 and they open in smartmusic 11 On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:40 PM, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in the meantime Sibelius is offering a $99 cross-grade to Sib 5 until the end of the month. Three guesses whose marketing department is most on the ball, and best understands which side their bread is buttered on!!! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
I'm not sure it's supposed to follow so that a student can fail to keep a steady tempo, more that it can follow rubato and certain expressive changes of tempo (but then again, I've never used it so I don't know what its capabilities are) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
Exactly. I turn off that feature. The other thing I hate is the green follow line that never seems to want to be turned off (you turn it off in the preferences, but it comes back on when you load the program again). StarPlay has a great idea about having a conductor on the screen. But the library is like 100th of what SmartMusic offers...and I don't see it growing On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never understood the reasoning behind SmartMusic's ability to follow the student's tempo -- aren't we supposed to learn it's bad to slow down in the hard parts and speed up in the easy parts? How does that tempo-following ability help the student to learn to keep a steady tempo? I do realize it can be switched off but I've never understood the need for it to be included in the first place. Thanks for the heads-up about StarPlay -- I'll look into that. David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure it's supposed to follow so that a student can fail to keep a steady tempo, more that it can follow rubato and certain expressive changes of tempo (but then again, I've never used it so I don't know what its capabilities are) I realize it's not supposed to, but there's no limiting the slow-down/speed-up capability to just certain rubato sections, so the end result is that a student can slow down or speed up as desired if that function is turned on at all. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
and, of course, there are phrases where the soloist may want to pull the speed around within a strict tempo in the accompaniment and if the accompaniment follows, the result is not good. As I said, I've never used it so I don't know what it's capabilities/limitations are. I can only guess that for musicians living in a wilderness where real accompanists are rare as drummers with a sense of rhythm, it is a gift from god. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
On 19 Sep 2008 at 15:05, dhbailey wrote: I've never understood the reasoning behind SmartMusic's ability to follow the student's tempo -- aren't we supposed to learn it's bad to slow down in the hard parts and speed up in the easy parts? How does that tempo-following ability help the student to learn to keep a steady tempo? I do realize it can be switched off but I've never understood the need for it to be included in the first place. I don't know this for a fact, but I always assumed this was so that a human being could have an automated accompaniment that follows the human being's tempo. As a New Yorker, the example that springs to mind is the busker in the subway station, who might be playing the tune to, say, Saint-Saëns' The Swan with a computer following along providing the accompaniment. Obviously, for teaching purposes with kids, you'd turn off this feature, but for grown-ups, it would be pretty useless without it, no? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] Obviously, for teaching purposes with kids, you'd turn off this feature, but for grown-ups, it would be pretty useless without it, no? As an accompaniment for adults performing, I quite agree with you. But SmartMusic is marketed to schools for students to use and is not targeted to adults who want to do singles but who want accompaniment. Look at the web-site -- it's marketed as an educational tool. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
On 19 Sep 2008 at 15:47, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] Obviously, for teaching purposes with kids, you'd turn off this feature, but for grown-ups, it would be pretty useless without it, no? As an accompaniment for adults performing, I quite agree with you. But SmartMusic is marketed to schools for students to use and is not targeted to adults who want to do singles but who want accompaniment. But it serves that purpose, and it seems to me is likely to have a pretty big audience for that (if they marketed it for that purpose). Look at the web-site -- it's marketed as an educational tool. But what about advanced students? Don't you want your students to get good enough rhythmically to be able to use a smart accompaniment tool? Maybe this is just a matter of bad default settings -- maybe the default should be strict tempo, and the non-students should be able to turn on rubato. Or maybe there should be a setting in your Smartmusic accompaniments that restricts a particular accompaniment to strict mode. The point is that there is no flaw in the technology -- indeed, the ability to adapt to the input from the live player is the glory of the whole technology -- it's that it's been implemented in a way that requires extra work for the educational market. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
Not at all. The program is very valuable with the following thing turned off. You can have it just GO and you have to keep up. You can also have a click sounding in addition to the accompaniment. I also have found that the following feature doesn't work all that well. I can't remember the last time I used it. There is also a sensitivity setting too, so, you can tell it to what degree to follow the performer. David W. Fenton wrote: On 19 Sep 2008 at 15:05, dhbailey wrote: I've never understood the reasoning behind SmartMusic's ability to follow the student's tempo -- aren't we supposed to learn it's bad to slow down in the hard parts and speed up in the easy parts? How does that tempo-following ability help the student to learn to keep a steady tempo? I do realize it can be switched off but I've never understood the need for it to be included in the first place. I don't know this for a fact, but I always assumed this was so that a human being could have an automated accompaniment that follows the human being's tempo. As a New Yorker, the example that springs to mind is the busker in the subway station, who might be playing the tune to, say, Saint-Saëns' The Swan with a computer following along providing the accompaniment. Obviously, for teaching purposes with kids, you'd turn off this feature, but for grown-ups, it would be pretty useless without it, no? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
I believe even Sir. James Galway uses the program.he's mentioned it a few times on his Galway flute list. You can tell the program to what degree to follow..but I've never found the feature particularly useful. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and, of course, there are phrases where the soloist may want to pull the speed around within a strict tempo in the accompaniment and if the accompaniment follows, the result is not good. As I said, I've never used it so I don't know what it's capabilities/limitations are. I can only guess that for musicians living in a wilderness where real accompanists are rare as drummers with a sense of rhythm, it is a gift from god. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
