[Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
I was able to get a part to extract but the Inst name doesn't appear on the extracted part...it is in the Staff (Full and Abrv) on the score Also in the score without using filters I copy a section (Changes) paste it the staff style doesn't copyhighlite and apply slash notation it changes the staff style applied to the bars before the part I just copied. This is frustrating Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts
try a shorter file name. Raimund Lintzen - Original Message - From: terry cano tcanomu...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts I have two ver of Finale 2002 at home and 2008 at the studio at home I wrote the chart and saved it to a flash drive loaded it in 2008 made a few changes and saved it. When I try to Extract the parts it says cannot rename file I tried prompt for file name...that doesn't work..I've tried everything I could posibily think of. We are supposed to play this thing tomorrow night HELP Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup, harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them? Aaron J. Rabushka ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Why not do a google search for such things? It took all of a couple of seconds to get results showing that there is a Jo-Ral Bubble Mute Wah-Wah for flugelhorn, a Stone-Lined cup mute and a Stone-Lined bucket mute. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts
Or there may be an illegal character being inserted if you have Finale create the file names automatically. But in Fin2008, why extract the parts? Why not simply create the parts and print from there? David H. Bailey RL wrote: try a shorter file name. Raimund Lintzen - Original Message - From: terry cano tcanomu...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts I have two ver of Finale 2002 at home and 2008 at the studio at home I wrote the chart and saved it to a flash drive loaded it in 2008 made a few changes and saved it. When I try to Extract the parts it says cannot rename file I tried prompt for file name...that doesn't work..I've tried everything I could posibily think of. We are supposed to play this thing tomorrow night HELP Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
Hello, Let Me Google That For You http://lmgtfy.com/ is invaluable in such cases. For instance: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fluegelhorn+mute Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 26 Aug 2009, at 4:30 AM, dhbailey wrote: arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup, harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them? Aaron J. Rabushka ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Why not do a google search for such things? It took all of a couple of seconds to get results showing that there is a Jo-Ral Bubble Mute Wah-Wah for flugelhorn, a Stone-Lined cup mute and a Stone-Lined bucket mute. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2000c and 2004a playback mystery solved
Hello again, Many thanks to the various people who responded to my problem with playback. It now looks as if there were two problems. If they were related I still don't know how. I was getting silent scrolling some of the time (scroll line moving and bars counting off as usual), but that seems to have stopped, and some files that were refusing to play back audibly are now OK. From: dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com When you say playback ... was working ... and now isn't do you mean that the playback doesn't start at all? No pointer on the screen moving with the music, etc. Or do you mean that it appears to be working but no sound is coming out? I had a very frustrating time trying to sort out what was consistent in the problem. In the end I had normal playback for most files, and a small set of files all related to each other that froze the playback controls. The controls looked normal and behaved normally until I clicked play. Then the controls were greyed out and there was no evidence of playback (e.g. no scrolling, no counting off of measure numbers). That problem had the same simple solution for all of them: change reset repeats to ignore repeats. My husband had come across that problem before, but when he first looked at one of my files he was concentrating on the silent scrolling, looking at a very short section in scroll view at the beginning of the piece where no repeats were visible. He reminds me that I had had that same problem once before, where a repeat had been wrongly set up and it stopped the playback, but it was long enough ago that I had forgotten. What playback mechanism are you using? Midi output says: Microsoft GS wavetable SW Synt I had checked the volume control and it wasn't muted, but I might well not have done, so thanks to the people who included that reminder. :) I don't have an audio card. I'm just using the integral sound system: Soundmax integrated digital audio. I wouldn't worry so much about the pre-scan or playback file stuff. If you're following the same procedures you've always followed and playback has ceased to make sounds for you, it's something other than that. That's a useful thought. From: Marcello Noia marcellon...@gmail.com have you tried to check that in your audiocard the MIDI volume has not lowered to 0? Sometimes it happens to me without any reason (with Finale 2006c for Windows) that when I open any file and start playback I cannot hear anything, I go to audiocard mixer and find out that MIDI fader (and that one only) is turned all way down. Finale does seem to change things without asking first! A couple of times recently it's switched off allow redo, which had me seriously worried. Thanks again and best wishes, Patsy. -- Patsy Moore: pa...@mooremusic.org.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Converting Finale 2008 file to pdf - problem
I opened up a file in Finale 2008 (for Mac) for which I want to create a pdf file. After opening up the file, I went to File, clicked on Compile Postscript Listing, then clicked on the compile button when the Compile Postscript Listing window came up. I clicked on save. When I tried to open the postscript file, I got an error message: PostScript Conversion Error The PostScript file Bertoni Credo vocal.ps could be converted to a PDF file. Any suggestions for me so that I can get a pdf? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://sbmp.com/SeeItNowFolder/SeeItNowMen.html http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] secondary monitor issue
I just purchased a wide 22 HP monitor to use to view Finale projects on the big screen. It works wonderfully, however, whenever I try to use my mouse's right click button for certain functions (Selector tool select, delete measure stack, transpose, etc.), the right click menu won't come up at all. I can, however, move the page around with holding down the right click and moving the mouse trackball. This only has a problem on Finale; other programs with right-click menu's work just fine. Anyone else seen this issue? I'm on an HP laptop as well, and working iwth Finale 2008 on Windows XP. image001.jpg___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
On 8/26/2009 2:41 AM, terry cano wrote: I was able to get a part to extract but the Inst name doesn't appear on the extracted part...it is in the Staff (Full and Abrv) on the score In 2008, the instrument name doesn't get automatically copied from the staff when you extract a part. You need to put a text insert in your score containing the Score/Part Name, and set it to show in the parts but be hidden in the score. (I think this is done for you automatically if you create a new score from a 2008 template.) This has to do with linked parts. An extracted part in 2008 is nothing more than a saved copy of the linked part. And if you think about it, a linked part can't automatically insert anything -- it has to be something that you put there. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Converting Finale 2008 file to pdf - problem
I have found a few things that will kill a PDF or EPS file on Mac. !. Bad font. MIght print and display properly from inside Finale, but just won't embed. Usually old fonts (I used to know this, but I forgot what the old style of font is that breaks EPS.) 2. Custom arrowheads in Smart Shapes. Even the ones supplied by MakeMusic. They just return errors until you are ready to pull your hair out. There may be other things in Smart Shapes too, like rotated text, that will refuse to embed. 3. An embedded graphic in the Finale file. Once again, I used to know exactly which ones broke, but I forgot because I never do it any more (would you?) On a copy of your file, try deleting these items, or try printing to file a page range omitting pages with those things, to see if you can track down the offending item. Hope this helps. Christopher On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Martin Banner wrote: I opened up a file in Finale 2008 (for Mac) for which I want to create a pdf file. After opening up the file, I went to File, clicked on Compile Postscript Listing, then clicked on the compile button when the Compile Postscript Listing window came up. I clicked on save. When I tried to open the postscript file, I got an error message: PostScript Conversion Error The PostScript file Bertoni Credo vocal.ps could be converted to a PDF file. Any suggestions for me so that I can get a pdf? Thanks, Martin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
It's a little-known fact that tenor trombone mutes fit a flugelhorn bell pretty well. They aren't perfectly balanced, but some mutes aren't even that on the trombone, so maybe the standards are bit too high? French horn mutes should work too (try the mute that substitutes for hand stopping. Very cool!) Harmon is not a great mute in the trombone version, but go ahead and give it a try on a flugel, with stem in, stem extended, and stem removed. You might like it. Cup and straight are the best, in my experience. Bucket can work if you get the kind that goes IN the bell, instead of the clip-on kind (flugel bell too small) but it is kind of odd, taking high harmonics off an already dark tone. Christopher On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:46 AM, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup, harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them? Aaron J. Rabushka ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts
Yep I figured out last night it was an Illegal Charcter... I can't believe I did that. In the Staff name I had Pno./Gtr. the / is a no no.. I sometime have to tweak the parts rehearsal letters etcI can try the print though Thanks David Terry --- On Wed, 8/26/09, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: From: dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Subject: Re: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 1:25 AM Or there may be an illegal character being inserted if you have Finale create the file names automatically. But in Fin2008, why extract the parts? Why not simply create the parts and print from there? David H. Bailey RL wrote: try a shorter file name. Raimund Lintzen - Original Message - From: terry cano tcanomu...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts I have two ver of Finale 2002 at home and 2008 at the studio at home I wrote the chart and saved it to a flash drive loaded it in 2008 made a few changes and saved it. When I try to Extract the parts it says cannot rename file I tried prompt for file name...that doesn't work..I've tried everything I could posibily think of. We are supposed to play this thing tomorrow night HELP Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts
It was me and an illegal charater Terry --- On Wed, 8/26/09, RL raimund.lint...@t-online.de wrote: From: RL raimund.lint...@t-online.de Subject: Re: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:56 AM try a shorter file name. Raimund Lintzen - Original Message - From: terry cano tcanomu...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: [Finale] Can't Extract Parts I have two ver of Finale 2002 at home and 2008 at the studio at home I wrote the chart and saved it to a flash drive loaded it in 2008 made a few changes and saved it. When I try to Extract the parts it says cannot rename file I tried prompt for file name...that doesn't work..I've tried everything I could posibily think of. We are supposed to play this thing tomorrow night HELP Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
I don't know if 'Compile PostScript listing' ever worked. Get an app like PrintToPDF ( http://www.jwwalker.com/pages/pdf.html ). -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron Sherber Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:38 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] More problems staff stylesno names On 8/26/2009 2:41 AM, terry cano wrote: I was able to get a part to extract but the Inst name doesn't appear on the extracted part...it is in the Staff (Full and Abrv) on the score In 2008, the instrument name doesn't get automatically copied from the staff when you extract a part. You need to put a text insert in your score containing the Score/Part Name, and set it to show in the parts but be hidden in the score. (I think this is done for you automatically if you create a new score from a 2008 template.) This has to do with linked parts. An extracted part in 2008 is nothing more than a saved copy of the linked part. And if you think about it, a linked part can't automatically insert anything -- it has to be something that you put there. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
How do I put a Text insert in the score? Terry --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com wrote: From: Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com Subject: Re: [Finale] More problems staff stylesno names To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:37 AM On 8/26/2009 2:41 AM, terry cano wrote: I was able to get a part to extract but the Inst name doesn't appear on the extracted part...it is in the Staff (Full and Abrv) on the score In 2008, the instrument name doesn't get automatically copied from the staff when you extract a part. You need to put a text insert in your score containing the Score/Part Name, and set it to show in the parts but be hidden in the score. (I think this is done for you automatically if you create a new score from a 2008 template.) This has to do with linked parts. An extracted part in 2008 is nothing more than a saved copy of the linked part. And if you think about it, a linked part can't automatically insert anything -- it has to be something that you put there. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Staff styles
Finale 2008 I figured all the problems exceppt the staff style problem Thanks To The List Folk !!! I usually create the changes on the Gtr or Bass staff first then add the rehearsl ltrs, dbl bars, etc. Write the horn partsthen copy parts of the chord staff to the what ever horn is soloing in a sectionwhen I do it copies as blank or with notes and not slashes. I apply staff styles to the horn part and either two things happen 1. the gtr chord part reverts to two staff style lines 2. the gtr loses its staff style I had this problem a few charts back problem two lets say I set 11 bars with slashes and bar 12 I want rhy style when i select bar 12 and r the rhy appears but the slashes disappear I'm thinking it has to be a setting somewhere or? Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
At 12:46 AM -0500 8/26/09, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup, harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them? Aaron J. Rabushka You've gotten some useful answers (which this is NOT!), but my first reaction was, why? Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. But thinking about it, I could picture using flugel as the lead over trombones, and wanting to mute the whole section. Curious, though; what use did you picture? John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff styles
Thanks for the insight I thought I was losing my mind For the second problem, I don't understand the problem. What do you mean you get the rhythm but the slashes disappear? Isn't that the point of Rhythmic Notation? they slashes disappear in the first 11 bars that previously had slashes. It is as if the program is saying you can have the slashes in the first 11 bars and the rhy in the 12 but not both... Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff styles
The Staff Styles are a big problem. Often, the parts do not adopt the proper staff style that is in the score, so you have to go to the part, select the Staff Tool, and in the Staff menu select Reset Staff Styles to Score. This makes that part the same as the score. This is my latest nervous tic. I don't know the reasons behind the bug, but it has to do with copying staff styles in the score, and sometimes with clearing them in the score. The fact that you can have staff styles in the parts that are different from the score is brilliant, but it comes with this stupid bug. MakeMusic doesn't really care about it because the workaround exists. For the first problem, set the filter NOT to copy staff styles, only notes and chords, then set the staff style manually. For the second problem, I don't understand the problem. What do you mean you get the rhythm but the slashes disappear? Isn't that the point of Rhythmic Notation? If you are using an old file as a template, this can cause big problems. I don't know why, but I make a point of creating a new default in each new version of Finale so I don't copy over corruption that may show up as a result of importing old files (which seems to happen to me a lot!) Christopher On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:46 AM, terry cano wrote: Finale 2008 I figured all the problems exceppt the staff style problem Thanks To The List Folk !!! I usually create the changes on the Gtr or Bass staff first then add the rehearsl ltrs, dbl bars, etc. Write the horn partsthen copy parts of the chord staff to the what ever horn is soloing in a sectionwhen I do it copies as blank or with notes and not slashes. I apply staff styles to the horn part and either two things happen 1. the gtr chord part reverts to two staff style lines 2. the gtr loses its staff style I had this problem a few charts back problem two lets say I set 11 bars with slashes and bar 12 I want rhy style when i select bar 12 and r the rhy appears but the slashes disappear I'm thinking it has to be a setting somewhere or? Terry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff styles
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:19 AM, terry cano wrote: Thanks for the insight I thought I was losing my mind For the second problem, I don't understand the problem. What do you mean you get the rhythm but the slashes disappear? Isn't that the point of Rhythmic Notation? they slashes disappear in the first 11 bars that previously had slashes. It is as if the program is saying you can have the slashes in the first 11 bars and the rhy in the 12 but not both... Terry Okay, that's just nutty. First, are you CERTAIN that only measure 12 is selected? (I had to ask) Try quitting Finale and restarting, if that doesn't work try rebooting the computer. If you are on Mac try trashing prefs next. At that point, I would send the file in to Tech Support with exact instructions to reproduce the bug. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Converting Finale 2008 file to pdf - problem
I figured this out on my own, thanks. I had to go to the print dialogue box and simply click Print to pdf and voila! Martin On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I have found a few things that will kill a PDF or EPS file on Mac. !. Bad font. MIght print and display properly from inside Finale, but just won't embed. Usually old fonts (I used to know this, but I forgot what the old style of font is that breaks EPS.) 2. Custom arrowheads in Smart Shapes. Even the ones supplied by MakeMusic. They just return errors until you are ready to pull your hair out. There may be other things in Smart Shapes too, like rotated text, that will refuse to embed. 3. An embedded graphic in the Finale file. Once again, I used to know exactly which ones broke, but I forgot because I never do it any more (would you?) On a copy of your file, try deleting these items, or try printing to file a page range omitting pages with those things, to see if you can track down the offending item. Hope this helps. Christopher On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Martin Banner wrote: I opened up a file in Finale 2008 (for Mac) for which I want to create a pdf file. After opening up the file, I went to File, clicked on Compile Postscript Listing, then clicked on the compile button when the Compile Postscript Listing window came up. I clicked on save. When I tried to open the postscript file, I got an error message: PostScript Conversion Error The PostScript file Bertoni Credo vocal.ps could be converted to a PDF file. Any suggestions for me so that I can get a pdf? Thanks, Martin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://sbmp.com/SeeItNowFolder/SeeItNowMen.html http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
Thanks Terry --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com wrote: From: Aaron Sherber aa...@sherber.com Subject: Re: [Finale] More problems staff stylesno names To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:33 AM On 8/26/2009 10:37 AM, terry cano wrote: How do I put a Text insert in the score? In page view, select the text tool. Double-click and drag to add a text box. Then do Text | Inserts | Part/Score Name. Position the box where you want it. Then hold down the linking override key (Ctrl on Win), right-click on the box, and uncheck Show. This will hide the box in the score only (since you don't want a big label saying 'Score') but leave it showing in all the parts. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Richard Yates wrote: I don't know if 'Compile PostScript listing' ever worked. Get an app like PrintToPDF ( http://www.jwwalker.com/pages/pdf.html ). Depending on your operating system version, you may be able to save as PDF from the first print dialogue. Does the lower left corner of the first print dialogue have a PDF button pull down? Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
Thanks to all of you for your replies! I submitted my inquiry to this list since there are so many musicians here with practical experience that a google search could never tap. As to why I want to mute the flügelhorn, suffice it to say that that's what I need to do at this juncture in the piece I'm working on (remember that this is the same guy who rattled the IU composition department so long ago by presenting a chamber symphony with basset horns, saxophones, haprsichord, and mandolin). ajr ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
At 4:08 PM -0500 8/26/09, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: Thanks to all of you for your replies! I submitted my inquiry to this list since there are so many musicians here with practical experience that a google search could never tap. As to why I want to mute the flügelhorn, suffice it to say that that's what I need to do at this juncture in the piece I'm working on (remember that this is the same guy who rattled the IU composition department so long ago by presenting a chamber symphony with basset horns, saxophones, haprsichord, and mandolin). Yeah, but no sackbutts! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback
Ok, so I opened a file from Fin 06 in Fin 2010. It will play back in Play back through MIDI, but not through AU, which is, of course, what I want. How do I make it play through Audio Units? Thanks, Dean Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote: Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous piece where flugel horn is used which would not sound satisfying with trombone or horn instead? timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Converting Finale 2008 file to pdf - problem
On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Martin Banner wrote: I opened up a file in Finale 2008 (for Mac) for which I want to create a pdf file. After opening up the file, I went to File, clicked on Compile Postscript Listing, then clicked on the compile button when the Compile Postscript Listing window came up. I clicked on save. When I tried to open the postscript file, I got an error message: PostScript Conversion Error The PostScript file Bertoni Credo vocal.ps could be converted to a PDF file. There is no need to create a PostScript file as an intermediate step. To make a PDF file on the Mac, just open your Finale file, invoke the Print command, and click the Save as PDF button. I have never had the slightest problem printing any PDF file so created. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote: my first reaction was, why? Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. But thinking about it, I could picture using flugel as the lead over trombones, and wanting to mute the whole section. Curious, though; what use did you picture? John can answer for himself, but for me an ideal orchestral brass section (for new works, obviously!) would consist of 2 Bb piccolo trumpets (4 valves), 2 flghn (4 valves), 2 horns in F, 2 euphoniums (4 valves, Bb non-transposing), tenor-bass trombone, contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger), and cbs. tuba. This combination would have a greater pitch range, wider timbral variety and greater flexibility than the current standard, and requires no more instruments than usual. But I fully realize that this is a utopian fantasy on my part. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback
Hi Dean, You need to configure the playback for AU. Check the documentation for step-by-step instructions. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 26 Aug 2009, at 5:29 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok, so I opened a file from Fin 06 in Fin 2010. It will play back in Play back through MIDI, but not through AU, which is, of course, what I want. How do I make it play through Audio Units? Thanks, Dean Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass
Andrew suggests: contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger) Just what do you mean, Andrew? Do you mean a contrabass trombone in BBb, same pitch as a BBb tuba, but with two valves? Not made - no valves, or one valve only. Either way, the contrabass slide trombone is an unweildy instrument, not nearly as versatile as what I THINK you want, which is: a conventional bass trombone in Bb with two valves. This is never called a contrabass trombone. In that case Andrew suggests: 2 Bb piccolo trumpets (4 valves), 2 flghn (4 valves), 2 horns in F, 2 euphoniums (4 valves, Bb non-transposing), tenor-bass trombone, contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger), and cbs. tuba. This combination would have a greater pitch range, wider timbral variety and greater flexibility than the current standard, and requires no more instruments than usual. Any work written for this instrumentation could be played by a standard orchestra with 4331 in the brass and two extra players. Two horns would have a break, an extra trumpeter-flugel player and an extra euphonium player would be hired. Of course, larger orchestras already have a fourth trumpet and trombone. Perhaps you would enternain the notion of Wagner tubas in the horns. But you have no conventional trumpets. It really is hard to imagine this as any kind of standard! Pic trumpets wear on the player and the listener. Better to leave them as doubles. My 2 cents. Ray H. Andrew Stiller wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote: my first reaction was, why? Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. But thinking about it, I could picture using flugel as the lead over trombones, and wanting to mute the whole section. Curious, though; what use did you picture? John can answer for himself, but for me an ideal orchestral brass section (for new works, obviously!) would consist of 2 Bb piccolo trumpets (4 valves), 2 flghn (4 valves), 2 horns in F, 2 euphoniums (4 valves, Bb non-transposing), tenor-bass trombone, contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger), and cbs. tuba. This combination would have a greater pitch range, wider timbral variety and greater flexibility than the current standard, and requires no more instruments than usual. But I fully realize that this is a utopian fantasy on my part. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
The 9th symphony by Vaughan Williams comes to mind. Also, the flügelhorn often stands in for the posthorn in the 3rd movement of the Mahler 3rd, and it sounds much better in this capacity than the d-trumpet that is sometimes used. ajr On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote: Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous piece where flugel horn is used which would not sound satisfying with trombone or horn instead? timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback
Thanks guys ... I think I may be onto the solution with your help. Dean On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Dean, You need to configure the playback for AU. Check the documentation for step-by-step instructions. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 26 Aug 2009, at 5:29 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok, so I opened a file from Fin 06 in Fin 2010. It will play back in Play back through MIDI, but not through AU, which is, of course, what I want. How do I make it play through Audio Units? Thanks, Dean Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
At 5:48 PM -0400 8/26/09, timothy price wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote: Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous piece where flugel horn is used which would not sound satisfying with trombone or horn instead? I wish I could, but the color is utilized for the most part in jazz and some commercial music, and rather little in classical music. And of course brass band afficionados will have their own feelings, as well. Jazz specialists--of which we have plenty here--can answer that question much better than I can. As to a comparison with trombone or horn, all I can do is to point out that a large part of the trombone's range can be covered by horn or, indeed, by trumpet from the midrange on up, but someone wanting the trombone's distinctive tone quality would never substitute one of the other instruments. And it isn't just range, although every instrument has a distinctive sound in each of its ranges. Flugel lies most comfortably in a range that can be covered by trombone or horn, at least by a fine player, but is simply more comfortable in its own natural range from top to bottom. So no, I can't give you what you ask for. But of course that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And the tonal quality is dependent on the construction of the instrument and its largely conical bore, the tone of which can then be modified by a choice of mouthpiece or, indeed, by the tonal concept of the player. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous piece where flugel horn is used which would not sound satisfying with trombone or horn instead? There are many examples of jazz players using this instrument, which is (to my ears) beautiful in its own way - not even close to a trombone or horn, but there are trumpet players who make a dark sound that is close to it. Among the good sometime players of this instrument: Clark Terry, Miles Davis, Art Farmer, Tom Harrell, Claudio Roditi (a short list, there are many others). John Garvey, when he was the leader of the U. of Illinois Jazz band, had a double brass section - conical (2 flugels, horn, baritone horn and tuba) and tubular (3 trumpets and 3 trombones). It was fun to write for that instrumentation - lots of color. Chuck timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
On 26 Aug 2009, at 7:40 PM, John Howell wrote: At 5:48 PM -0400 8/26/09, timothy price wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote: Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its tone quality. Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous piece where flugel horn is used which would not sound satisfying with trombone or horn instead? I wish I could, but the color is utilized for the most part in jazz and some commercial music, and rather little in classical music. Sure, but so what? That's no reason not to use the instrument, which sounds nothing like trombone or horn and covers a considerably different range. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass
Couple of comments... 1. Cimbasso, anyone? Does the LO own one, Ray, or does anyone in your section? Perhaps that is what Andrew means? Cimbassi come in all the tuba keys (F, Eb, CC, BBb) 2. A great use for euphonium is as a replacement for the HORN in a brass quintet. Our quintet has been doing this for years (yours truly, euph player) and it has really opened some possibilities, especially in pop/jazz realms. If I need a much smaller sound in the quintet, I use a real british-style baritone horn (A genuine British Yamaha 621). 3. In countless years spent in some of the diviest dives either side of I-65, I have never encountered a flugel player who put a mute in the thing. Perhaps some of them should have, but they didn't. See below... 3.5 Is it just me or do the conoidal non-horn brass (euph, tuba, flugel) not lend themselves to mutes as well as the cylinders do? (I have never liked listening to muted euphonium or tuba, and I really dislike having to use one). FWIW, conoidal brass also don't respond to those 800-lb. gorilla heavywall mouthpieces as well as the cylinders do. 4. I have a small-bore Holton 58 bass trumpet, and I know how to use it. Be warned. If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be my bass trumpet. 5. Euphonium has a lot of untapped potential in jazz ensembles large small and orchestras. Remember that, composers arrangers! It adds a nice bit of conical mellowness to the piercing cylindricity of trumpets trombones. A Yamaha 321 works well in pop/jazz rather than one of the bigger-bore compensating horns. A lot of trombonists double on a 321. What do you use in the LO, Ray? Jim W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
The Mahler posthorn solo is actually labeled 'flugelhorn' in the part. RBH arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: ...Also, the flügelhorn often stands in for the posthorn in the 3rd movement of the Mahler 3rd, and it sounds much better in this capacity than the d-trumpet that is sometimes used. ajr ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass
FWIW, I remember that the Dallas Symphony was trying to beg and borrow a cimbasso for something by Verdi. I think that the Dallas Opera had one--don't know how it ended. And, if you want to hear some effective euphonium writing, check out my Canzona e Scherzo Capriccioso (Vienna Modern Masters CD VMM-2012), or my brief Cavatina, published by Cimarron Music Press. ajr Couple of comments... 1. Cimbasso, anyone? Does the LO own one, Ray, or does anyone in your section? Perhaps that is what Andrew means? Cimbassi come in all the tuba keys (F, Eb, CC, BBb) 2. A great use for euphonium is as a replacement for the HORN in a brass quintet. Our quintet has been doing this for years (yours truly, euph player) and it has really opened some possibilities, especially in pop/jazz realms. If I need a much smaller sound in the quintet, I use a real british-style baritone horn (A genuine British Yamaha 621). 3. In countless years spent in some of the diviest dives either side of I-65, I have never encountered a flugel player who put a mute in the thing. Perhaps some of them should have, but they didn't. See below... 3.5 Is it just me or do the conoidal non-horn brass (euph, tuba, flugel) not lend themselves to mutes as well as the cylinders do? (I have never liked listening to muted euphonium or tuba, and I really dislike having to use one). FWIW, conoidal brass also don't respond to those 800-lb. gorilla heavywall mouthpieces as well as the cylinders do. 4. I have a small-bore Holton 58 bass trumpet, and I know how to use it. Be warned. If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be my bass trumpet. 5. Euphonium has a lot of untapped potential in jazz ensembles large small and orchestras. Remember that, composers arrangers! It adds a nice bit of conical mellowness to the piercing cylindricity of trumpets trombones. A Yamaha 321 works well in pop/jazz rather than one of the bigger-bore compensating horns. A lot of trombonists double on a 321. What do you use in the LO, Ray? Jim W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
And so it is marked in the score I have as well. St. Louis Symphony used a D-Trumpet for their local premiere--never have understood why. ajr The Mahler posthorn solo is actually labeled 'flugelhorn' in the part. RBH arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: ...Also, the flügelhorn often stands in for the posthorn in the 3rd movement of the Mahler 3rd, and it sounds much better in this capacity than the d-trumpet that is sometimes used. ajr ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andre ws brass
Aaron, Shall do...I remember you from IU. For that metter, I remember BILL BELL from IU. Jim W. From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of arabu...@cowtown.net [arabu...@cowtown.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:35 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: mutes forflügelhorns? now Andrews brass FWIW, I remember that the Dallas Symphony was trying to beg and borrow a cimbasso for something by Verdi. I think that the Dallas Opera had one--don't know how it ended. And, if you want to hear some effective euphonium writing, check out my Canzona e Scherzo Capriccioso (Vienna Modern Masters CD VMM-2012), or my brief Cavatina, published by Cimarron Music Press. ajr Couple of comments... 1. Cimbasso, anyone? Does the LO own one, Ray, or does anyone in your section? Perhaps that is what Andrew means? Cimbassi come in all the tuba keys (F, Eb, CC, BBb) 2. A great use for euphonium is as a replacement for the HORN in a brass quintet. Our quintet has been doing this for years (yours truly, euph player) and it has really opened some possibilities, especially in pop/jazz realms. If I need a much smaller sound in the quintet, I use a real british-style baritone horn (A genuine British Yamaha 621). 3. In countless years spent in some of the diviest dives either side of I-65, I have never encountered a flugel player who put a mute in the thing. Perhaps some of them should have, but they didn't. See below... 3.5 Is it just me or do the conoidal non-horn brass (euph, tuba, flugel) not lend themselves to mutes as well as the cylinders do? (I have never liked listening to muted euphonium or tuba, and I really dislike having to use one). FWIW, conoidal brass also don't respond to those 800-lb. gorilla heavywall mouthpieces as well as the cylinders do. 4. I have a small-bore Holton 58 bass trumpet, and I know how to use it. Be warned. If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be my bass trumpet. 5. Euphonium has a lot of untapped potential in jazz ensembles large small and orchestras. Remember that, composers arrangers! It adds a nice bit of conical mellowness to the piercing cylindricity of trumpets trombones. A Yamaha 321 works well in pop/jazz rather than one of the bigger-bore compensating horns. A lot of trombonists double on a 321. What do you use in the LO, Ray? Jim W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass
I agree to most of what you say, Jim, except for #1. I am sure that cimbasso was not on Andrew's mind. Cimbasso is not a versatile instrument, the sound is a specialized one, and yes, I do own own one - a Cervany bass trombone sized straight model in F. Perfect for the lighter cimbasso parts, (I wouldn't try it for the Verdi _Requiem_). It did just fine on _Othello_. I am going to have to sell it, though, because it looks like the opera is not going to spring for an extra trombonist on the Italian operas anymore and will use a tuba on those parts. Quite sad. I think Andrew was trying to draw a real distinction between a tenor trombone with a valve (what he called a tenor-bass trombone) and a bass trombone. But a composer does not need to dictate the number of valves for either the tenor or bass trombonist, the composer should just write what he/she wants, the player will do what he/she needs to do to play it. Trombonists do not use the term tenor-bass trombone as it is meaningless - the bore size determines tenor or bass, not any valve. It is a useful term only in discussing the application of the valve to the large bore Bb trombone back in the 1830-40 era, to distinguish the new tenor-bass trombone from the tenor and bass then in use. 2. I had an interesting experience once, filling in, in the same brass quintet, one day for the horn player, the next day for the tuba player. Both times I was playing euphonium. It made me realize just what a versatile instrument the four valve compensating euphonium is. 3. I _have_ seen a flugel use a mute, but it was on, uh, well, a piece I wrote for band. I wrote a muted flugel solo. It was back in my youth, I was trying to get an unusual timbre. I wouldn't guess that anyone in the audience ran home to write a muted flugel solo of their own, if you get my drift. (Just not a distinctive sound, in other words.) 3.5 I don't know if your observation on mutes is because of the conical bore or tradition, or large bells with inconsistent sizes, or what. Horns do plenty with mutes and hand-stopping. Muted tuba is not really that effective by itself, but muted tuba works well with muted trombones. I like the first entrance of the euphonium and tuba in Strauss Don Quixote, both muted - quite effective at ff. Much of the problem is that the mutes are just not that good - there a lot of bad tuba mutes in use, for example, while trombone and trumpet players keep searching for the best ones. 4. I don't get along with bass trumpet. I play one sometimes, but I don't like it (nor does anyone around me.) 5. That Yamaha 321 is a great euphonium - it's a fave of Left Coast jazz doublers, according to Scott Ferguson. Despite what I said above, most of the time one does not need the compensating system, and the horn rings freer without it. (Necessary for tuba arts, though.) Besides the compensating Besson I mentioned earlier, I have an old Conn 24-I, a non-compensating horn that sings like crazy. It was/is the euph of choice of Henry C. Smith way back in the Philadelphia Orch and of Jay Friedman in Chicago Symph. I play the Conn on most orchestra stuff, except I use the Besson on _The Planets_. RBH Williams, Jim wrote: Couple of comments... 1. Cimbasso, anyone? Does the LO own one, Ray, or does anyone in your section? Perhaps that is what Andrew means? Cimbassi come in all the tuba keys (F, Eb, CC, BBb) 2. A great use for euphonium is as a replacement for the HORN in a brass quintet. Our quintet has been doing this for years (yours truly, euph player) and it has really opened some possibilities, especially in pop/jazz realms. If I need a much smaller sound in the quintet, I use a real british-style baritone horn (A genuine British Yamaha 621). 3. In countless years spent in some of the diviest dives either side of I-65, I have never encountered a flugel player who put a mute in the thing. Perhaps some of them should have, but they didn't. See below... 3.5 Is it just me or do the conoidal non-horn brass (euph, tuba, flugel) not lend themselves to mutes as well as the cylinders do? (I have never liked listening to muted euphonium or tuba, and I really dislike having to use one). FWIW, conoidal brass also don't respond to those 800-lb. gorilla heavywall mouthpieces as well as the cylinders do. 4. I have a small-bore Holton 58 bass trumpet, and I know how to use it. Be warned. If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be my bass trumpet. 5. Euphonium has a lot of untapped potential in jazz ensembles large small and orchestras. Remember that, composers arrangers! It adds a nice bit of conical mellowness to the piercing cylindricity of trumpets trombones. A Yamaha 321 works well in pop/jazz rather than one of the bigger-bore compensating horns. A lot of trombonists double on a 321. What do you use in the LO, Ray? Jim W.
RE: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns? now Andrews brass
Ok! Note that you can order the CD straight from me if you'd like. ajr Harvey Philips era Aaron, Shall do...I remember you from IU. For that metter, I remember BILL BELL from IU. Jim W. From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of arabu...@cowtown.net [arabu...@cowtown.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:35 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: mutes forflügelhorns? now Andrews brass FWIW, I remember that the Dallas Symphony was trying to beg and borrow a cimbasso for something by Verdi. I think that the Dallas Opera had one--don't know how it ended. And, if you want to hear some effective euphonium writing, check out my Canzona e Scherzo Capriccioso (Vienna Modern Masters CD VMM-2012), or my brief Cavatina, published by Cimarron Music Press. ajr Couple of comments... 1. Cimbasso, anyone? Does the LO own one, Ray, or does anyone in your section? Perhaps that is what Andrew means? Cimbassi come in all the tuba keys (F, Eb, CC, BBb) 2. A great use for euphonium is as a replacement for the HORN in a brass quintet. Our quintet has been doing this for years (yours truly, euph player) and it has really opened some possibilities, especially in pop/jazz realms. If I need a much smaller sound in the quintet, I use a real british-style baritone horn (A genuine British Yamaha 621). 3. In countless years spent in some of the diviest dives either side of I-65, I have never encountered a flugel player who put a mute in the thing. Perhaps some of them should have, but they didn't. See below... 3.5 Is it just me or do the conoidal non-horn brass (euph, tuba, flugel) not lend themselves to mutes as well as the cylinders do? (I have never liked listening to muted euphonium or tuba, and I really dislike having to use one). FWIW, conoidal brass also don't respond to those 800-lb. gorilla heavywall mouthpieces as well as the cylinders do. 4. I have a small-bore Holton 58 bass trumpet, and I know how to use it. Be warned. If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be my bass trumpet. 5. Euphonium has a lot of untapped potential in jazz ensembles large small and orchestras. Remember that, composers arrangers! It adds a nice bit of conical mellowness to the piercing cylindricity of trumpets trombones. A Yamaha 321 works well in pop/jazz rather than one of the bigger-bore compensating horns. A lot of trombonists double on a 321. What do you use in the LO, Ray? Jim W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
At 8:36 PM -0500 8/26/09, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote: And so it is marked in the score I have as well. St. Louis Symphony used a D-Trumpet for their local premiere--never have understood why. I've heard posthorn solos. It may have been the Goldman Band playing summer concerts in Central Park back in the late '40s. A D trumpet probably sounds more like that (they are rather short tubes) than anything else would. I wonder why Mahler named it that, and then called for flugel? John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
