Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
On 29.10.2009 dhbailey wrote: Not only is Sibelius' approach much more logical for many novice notation software users, the output is much more elegant than Finale's if one uses the default files of both with no changes. Well, that's one I have to disagree with. Many years ago Finale output could be instantly recognized. At first by the terrible font, Petrucci, then, after they gave us better fonts, by the piano brace and the much too thin lines. Now, however, Finale's out of the box output is mostly quite acceptable. On the other hand I can recognize out of the box Sibelius scores easily, and don't like them much. The font, and especially slurs, look pretty awful to my eyes. I haven't really looked at Sibelius yet, but the first thing I am going to do with it is to try and tweak the output to my liking. This is very flexible in Finale, we shall see what Sibelius can do. The following items need to be investigated: -Font -beams -slurs -ties -layout Only if I am satisfied with all of them will I switch. If someone can help me with some settings that would be appreciated. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius on a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability? The keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or plane. My Macbook does not have a keypad function anymore (the old iBook had that). Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
I use Quickeys and the regular Sibelius keymapping ability to remap the numeric keypad to the regular numbers as well as a few other characters like [ ] and \ with no problem. Ties I moved over to the ` key. To be honest, I'm not sure you'd actually need Quickeys to do it, you can probably just do it in the regular Sibelius keymapping area, but I transferred a bunch of quickeys from earlier versions of Sibelius and just have never remapped stuff. Jeff Tanner Funky Bear Music www.funkybearmusic.com On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius on a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability? The keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or plane. My Macbook does not have a keypad function anymore (the old iBook had that). Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Musescore
Hi! Am 29.10.2009 um 11:48 schrieb dhbailey: He might consider Musescore Tried that on my Mac a while ago. Does it do playback by now? Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius on a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability? The keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or plane. My Macbook does not have a keypad function anymore (the old iBook had that). Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale All the keystrokes for anything in Sibelius can be reprogrammed to other key combinations -- there's a dialog for doing that in the Preferences settings. I know of users on the Sibelius list who have reprogrammed all their numpad things to other keystroke combinations. So the answer is yes, and you can do it without resorting to a third-party keystroke-macro program. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Musescore
Gerhard Torges wrote: Hi! Am 29.10.2009 um 11:48 schrieb dhbailey: He might consider Musescore Tried that on my Mac a while ago. Does it do playback by now? The Windows version does -- it uses soundfonts, and there are many of those which are GM and don't sound too bad for free on the web. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Musescore
HI Gerhard http://www.musescore.org/node/2849 Home » Forums » General discussion MuseScore for Mac is out of beta By lasconic - Posted on September 21st, 2009 Tagged: * General discussion MuseScore for Mac OS X is out of beta since the release of MuseScore 0.9.5 on the August 15th 2009. The feature list for Mac OS X is the exactly same as for Windows and includes Midi input, output to wav, flac, ogg and more. Download link: http:// www.musescore.org/download/musescore.dmg MuseScore is available for PPC Intel as an Universal Binaries package. It has been tested successfully on MacOSX 10.4 and 10.5. In case you successfully tested MuseScore on Snow Leopard, don't hesitate to leave a comment. For developers, instructions for building MuseScore on Mac are available. Bob On Oct 30, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Gerhard Torges wrote: Hi! Am 29.10.2009 um 11:48 schrieb dhbailey: He might consider Musescore Tried that on my Mac a while ago. Does it do playback by now? Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
There is a laptop configuration available out of the box. And if you don't like it, you can make any personal changes you like. Slurs and ties came in for lots of work in Sibelius 6 and are now greatly improved. Beams, slurs, ties and many other things can be changed globally via the House Style menu and then saved to be used in other scores. Lots of precise controls are available in House Styles. It should be the first stop for a serious worker. Local changes are also possible via the properties panel. I think you'll find Sibelius very flexible but quite different form Finale. Richard Smith And is there an easy way to switch between keyboard layouts? Is there a sensible way to reprogramme the keys? I actually still think it is a short coming of Sibelius not to provide a laptop layout out of the box. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2010a pref file not loading when 2-click doc
anyone else getting this (mac)? if i start finale by by 2-clicking on the document in the finder the prefs file doesn't load. i change pref settings (folder locations, for e.g.), save the prefs and see that the prefs file in User/Library/Preferences remains unchanged. if i open the app directly it loads and the prefs file is affected. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Johannes Gebauer écrit: I haven't really looked at Sibelius yet, but the first thing I am going to do with it is to try and tweak the output to my liking. This is very flexible in Finale, we shall see what Sibelius can do. The following items need to be investigated: -Font -beams -slurs -ties -layout Only if I am satisfied with all of them will I switch. dc replied: Then, slurs, and perhaps ties, weren't as tweakable as those of Finale in Sibelius 5. I think this has been improved in Sibelius 6. Can anyone confirm this? As already said, Fonts are fine in Sibelius. I've even been able to use the Engraver font from Finale in Sibelius. Although the terminology and methods are different, I found it quite easy to change the tie settings from the default (European?) look (which to me look too much like slurs) to something more to my liking. Slurs have all the handles like Finale's engraver slurs and can be shaped quite nicely. There also a number of settings in the house styles option (like Finale's document settings) for changing ties. There are also a number of beam setting that can be adjusted. All that said, I think Finale has more parameters that can be tweaked, but on the other hand, the defaults in Sibelius don't need much tweaking. I find layout to be the area where Sibelius is better. But, it is worth reading the manual on layout and watching a video that is available on the Sibelius website. The way an experienced Finale user might approach layout is not necessarily the best way to approach it in Sibelius. Finale is a little stronger in the options available for music spacing. For the rest, I think it's not a question of being able to tweak or not, but of how easy and quick it is to do so, especially for someone who's been doing this for years in Finale... I've been using Finale since 1996 - or whenever the last year they included the what seems like 20 pounds of printed manuals. I found the transition to Sibelius to be quite easy. To practice learning Sibelius, and to serve other needs, I started transcribing a number of piano and organ titles into Sibelius. For note entry, I do miss the note first then rhythm aspect of speedy entry, but real-time input and scanning has been faster, but I've picked up Sibelius' way of doing simple/speedy entry. I'm finding that I'm working as fast, if not faster in Sibelius. One possible exception is if a piece has a lot of triplets, Finale seems to handle triplet note entry and copying of passages with triplets (tuplets) better. It would be nice to see the same piece, with the same font, done both in Finale and in Sibelius, and done deliberately trying to get the same output. I did try this with a one-page easy piano setting of a familiar standard. I didn't spend a lot of time trying to get all the details exactly the same, and used the default fonts of each program, but did try to get a fairly close output. I showed it to a few piano students and others with musical knowledge (but nobody I'd call a professional) and all but one liked the look of the Sibelius version better. - The conversion of Finale files into Sibelius is Very Bad, pace Dolet, Agreed. You'll still have to use Finale. Does Sibelius have the equivalent of Finalescript, by the way? They have ManuScript. It is far more powerful than FinaleScript, but I don't think it is nearly as easy or for the faint of heart. It reminds me a bit of looking at a bunch of Java code. For someone who's done some programming, not an impossible task to learn. There are literally hundreds of 3rd party plugins available on their site and probably a hundred or so included with the program. All of them can be edited yourself. James Gilbert JamesGilbertMusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 30.10.2009 dhbailey wrote: All the keystrokes for anything in Sibelius can be reprogrammed to other key combinations -- there's a dialog for doing that in the Preferences settings. I know of users on the Sibelius list who have reprogrammed all their numpad things to other keystroke combinations. So the answer is yes, and you can do it without resorting to a third-party keystroke-macro program. And is there an easy way to switch between keyboard layouts? Is there a sensible way to reprogramme the keys? I actually still think it is a short coming of Sibelius not to provide a laptop layout out of the box. I'm not sure what you mean by sensible -- it's easy enough. Open the dialog and there's a list of things to place in the score on the left -- you highlight one and then define your own key-combination to achieve the same result. So, for example, if you're used to using Speedy Entry without a midi keyboard, you can define the top-row numbers 5 to select a quarter note, 6 for half-note, 4 for 8th note, etc. There's a list of menus/categories on the left of the dialog, so you select the menu or category you want to define new keystrokes for, then to the right of that list are all the possible actions under that menu or category, and you select one and then define your own set of keystrokes. They do have a Notebook/Laptop set of commands you can select, so perhaps you'll find what you want without having to define anything yourself. I did just look at it and noticed that not all of the commands have pre-defined key combinations, so you'd have to see what's there and what you would want to change. You would really have to open the dialog to see what's possible. Regarding Sibelius' lack of a laptop layout -- many laptops have an embedded keypad so all one has to do is to remember to hit the Fn key to use the program as it comes out of the box. You don't even have to use the numpad at all -- you can simply click on the desired key on the on-screen representation of the numpad and the cursor will be loaded with whatever you selected. You can do it all with the mouse. Other laptops have a full numpad on them -- my HP Pavilion does, as does the one my son is using and also the $350 Compaq laptop we just bought for my wife. The number of laptops with no numpad at all, even embedded, is such a tiny subset of the laptop market that I can understand how they wouldn't have included such a layout, especially since you can define all the keystrokes as makes the most sense to you without having to memorize some other person's logic in assigning the keystrokes. I'm not sure how easy it is to switch between keyboard layouts -- are you asking so that your wife could define her own set of keystrokes and then you can define your own set which would be different and then you would want to be able to switch between those? The manual is a good one but as with all such manuals, you need to know how they chose to index whatever it is you want to look up, so you may not find it easily. But the Sibelius group at yahoogroups is an excellent resource to ask questions on -- Daniel Spreadbury (senior product manager for Sibelius) maintains an official (and quite busy) presence there and is always ready to answer questions if nobody else answers them first. And he wrote the manual, so he can tell you exactly to find whatever it is you are having trouble locating. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
As a Finale user since v1.0, 1988, and a Sibelius convert now for 2 years, please allow me to voice my views on these issues (Finale 2007 is my latest version here): On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:52 AM, dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: I haven't really looked at Sibelius yet, but the first thing I am going to do with it is to try and tweak the output to my liking. This is very flexible in Finale, we shall see what Sibelius can do. The following items need to be investigated: -Font -beams -slurs -ties -layout Only if I am satisfied with all of them will I switch. I don't think there are any font issues in Sibelius. You can simply use any font you like, just as in Finale. True, altho I haven't tried replacing Opus font in masse yet. Then, slurs, and perhaps ties, weren't as tweakable as those of Finale in Sibelius 5. I think this has been improved in Sibelius 6. Can anyone confirm this? True. Slurs in Sibelius 5 and earlier were extremely kludgy and most unforgiving. Not to mention downright ugly. Cross-staff slurs were particularly frustrating and for the most part, impossible to use. Personally, I persisted in using Sibelius 5 due exclusively to my utter discontent with Finale. Sibelius 6 is better, to be sure, but Finale's slurs are much more forgiving to adjust and more elegant looking. They're just not worth putting up with the rest of the application's sh*t. Ties are less of an issue to tweak for the most part, altho Finale does give far more control. But I like not having to go into Special Tools and then picking another tool inside that tool. I have so many frigging QuicKeys to navigate thru that part of Finale, I need a crib sheet taped to the side of my monitor to remind me what they are. In Sibelius, you just grab it and adjust. Much more user-friendly. Just not as much overall control. For the rest, I think it's not a question of being able to tweak or not, but of how easy and quick it is to do so, especially for someone who's been doing this for years in Finale... Finale to me has always been an 'under-the-hood' fest that allowed users myriad amounts of control over its settings and output. Sibelius, while eminently customizable and with loads of settings as well, may leave experienced Finale users disappointed. I was at first, but hey, I got over it quickly simply because my mindset was pointed in that direction. - The conversion of Finale files into Sibelius is Very Bad, pace Dolet, XML and whatnot. In other words, if you have hundreds or thousands of Finale files that you need to upkeep, you can't abandon Finale. So the best you can do is use both... I've made this point numerous times here. I have tens of thousands of Finale files for myself and clients that have to be maintained. I have tried converting a few of the smaller ones, sans Dolet, and it's a boatload of work and a most unforgiving task. My feeling is 'who do I bill for all this time?'. No answer, since I cannot justify billing a client unless he specifically requests the conversion. That hasn't happened. - Some publishers I work for require Finale and don't think Sibelius is good enough (though their opinion is might still based on older versions of Sibelius). - I'm still not convinced that I'll ever be able to work as fast in Sibelius as I do in Finale. Does Sibelius have the equivalent of Finalescript, by the way? Can one do a search and replace on a whole batch of files? Or change specific fonts in specific places (staff names, for instance) in all the files in a given folder? I haven't tried the search route in Sibelius. Changing fonts in specific elements is a breeze with House Styles, but it's file- specific. You can import/export House Styles and apply them to other files, but it's not automated. As many here have noted, working in Sibelius after coming from the Finale experience, is quite different. Not better or worse… well, I won't go there. Just different. Johannes, one area you will either love or hate is page layout. It's really quite different in Sibelius and it took me some serious getting used to after 20 years with Finale. But once I did embrace it, it's much faster IMO. Just last month I laid out a 130 page orchestra score, 11x17, in Sibelius and I finished it in 1/4 the time it would have taken me in Finale. This including massive optimizing or hiding staves, where in Finale, a large edit/cut from the client can cause all sorts of problems with layout after the cut due to the way Finale keeps track of such things. TGTools and Patterson notwithstanding. Finale = extremely frustrating. Sibelius = a walk in the park. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
dc den...@free.fr wrote: The conversion of Finale files into Sibelius is Very Bad, pace Dolet, XML and whatnot. This is another area - as is slurs - that is much improved in Sibelius 6.1 compared to the versions you are familiar with. The same is true for conversions back the other way from Sibelius to Finale using our Dolet 5 for Sibelius plug-in. If you have the latest versions of both programs you should be getting good results, though not yet perfect. For Finale, any version since 2004 should work well if used with our Dolet 5 for Finale plug-in. For Sibelius, you need 6.1 for the best results in both directions. Best regards, Michael Good Recodare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
At 9:38 AM +0100 10/30/09, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius on a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability? The keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or plane. My Macbook does not have a keypad function anymore (the old iBook had that). Yes, but it is awkward and slower. You have to have the keypad on your screen (which you need in any case to see what you've chosen), and you have to use your mouse to click on it. I have a full keyboard for use at home (as well as a MIDI keyboard), and I simply don't do much writing when I'm away from home because it's so much faster with those aids. I do KNOW how to do ASCII keyboard entry; it's just annoyingly slow. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals might take more mousing and keystrokes. But entering notes with an external keyboard (left hand only, if your right is on the number pad) is by far the quickest of the possible note entry possibilities in Sibelius as well. I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. I didn't mean real-time note entry. That would have to be done in Hiperscribe, correct? Harold I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
I tried the file and could change measures no problem. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
At 12:15 -0400 30/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals might take more mousing and keystrokes. But entering notes with an external keyboard (left hand only, if your right is on the number pad) is by far the quickest of the possible note entry possibilities in Sibelius as well. I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. I didn't mean real-time note entry. That would have to be done in Hiperscribe, correct? Harold I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John Sorry. It's the tool for real-time entry in Finale. It records your playing and produces the part afetr you finish. Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John In Sibelius ,its called Flexi-time™ Flexi-time is Sibelius’s unique intelligent real-time MIDI input system. Bob On Oct 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, John Howell wrote: At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals might take more mousing and keystrokes. But entering notes with an external keyboard (left hand only, if your right is on the number pad) is by far the quickest of the possible note entry possibilities in Sibelius as well. I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. I didn't mean real-time note entry. That would have to be done in Hiperscribe, correct? Harold I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Thanks. Did you use 2007? I tried the file and could change measures no problem. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Richard Yates wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates This might be a strange solution, but when you turn on Independent Time Signatures, you can change the time signature. As soon as you turn independent time signatures off, they return to 3/8 though. I have no idea what's going on. Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Nolater version of finale --- send out and aboot on my iPhone --- On Oct 30, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: Thanks. Did you use 2007? I tried the file and could change measures no problem. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Nolater version of finale My test was done with FinWin08. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Richard Yates wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates This might be a strange solution, but when you turn on Independent Time Signatures, you can change the time signature. As soon as you turn independent time signatures off, they return to 3/8 though. I have no idea what's going on. Barbara Barbara, You are a genius and the winner of whatever prize you wish! I don't know exactly why that works, but it does. The original file had three staves, the first one in gamba tablature, which is now deleted. It seems that, somehow, the ghost of that deleted (master?) staff (which you cannot change) is still hooked to the remaining staff. Checking Independent Time Signature unhooks it. A similar thing happens with key signature. My file has Independent Key Signature checked. Unchecking that reverts the key of the original staff even though that has long been deleted. (Now I will wait to see how long it takes MakeMusic Tech to solve it!) Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
I had no problems changing time sig in 2008 or 2009. I don't have 2007 so can't try that, sorry. JR On 10/30/09 11:38 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius 6.1
Has Sibelius again shown MM how to do their job? I speak of the information on accessing RAM and optimizing one's machine for doing so. MM must get on the bandwagon and give us this info. BTW, I didn't know our MAC friends with Snow Leopard were dead in the water with Sib6. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Dc wrote: Would you care to share this? I'd be interested in seeing both versions. And thanks for all the other comments. Dennis I found the original Finale version, but not the Sibelius version. I think I used it to help generate my own house style that was a much like my Finale house style as I cared for it to be. (I must have deleted the Sibelius version since I didn't need it anymore). However, having nothing better to do right now :) I re-created the Sibelius version as follows (in less time than it took to write this email). I just realized this does not have any beams in it, so no comparison of beams: - exported the Finale file via the built in XML export - imported it into Sibelius retaining the original document formatting and making no change to the house style - Adjusted the title/subtitle and composers location by selecting and dragging down (XML imports seem to put those items too high on the page) - Loaded in my own house style, resetting the page size to the original document size (as my house style is letter size, this file is not) - Respaced the note spacing, optimized the layout, all to the defaults in my house style I exported both versions to a TIFF file at 300dpi. The Finale file size is huge compared to the Sibelius version. Those can be found at: www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Sibelius.tif and www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Finale.tif I will not leave these online for very long. In case the copyright police are lurking, let me add that the files are for illustrative/educational purposes and neither the graphics nor my printouts were for anything other than educational purposes. I'm not sure of the original (legal) source this was transcribed from but it's around here somewhere. You might wonder about the oddball page size of the images if you try to print them. To remain true to the original experiment it is necessary. In addition to comparing finale output vs. sibelius at the time I originally did this, I was also figuring out how to export graphics so that I could import it into my musicpad (which requires a page size of roughly 768 x 1024 pixels). When I printed this direct from the notation software I chose to 'print to fit' in the printer options. Hope this helps, James Gilbert JamesGilbertMusic.com PS. If anyone is in Micanopy, FL this weekend for their fall festival, come see me play the piano at the historical Episcopal church on the main festival street. I'll be playing Sunday starting at 1pm. If I play everything I've planned to play it may be one of the few times you'll hear Dixie and The Stripper played in a church building (and I might add with the encouragement of people at the church who asked me to play). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
John Howell wrote: At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals might take more mousing and keystrokes. But entering notes with an external keyboard (left hand only, if your right is on the number pad) is by far the quickest of the possible note entry possibilities in Sibelius as well. I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. I didn't mean real-time note entry. That would have to be done in Hiperscribe, correct? Harold I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John Hyperscribe is the Finale name for it. I think Sibelius calls it real-time entry. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
On 30 Oct 2009 at 14:22, James Gilbert wrote: I exported both versions to a TIFF file at 300dpi. The Finale file size is huge compared to the Sibelius version. Those can be found at: www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Sibelius.tif and www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Finale.tif It's worthless to try to compare those because you posted as TIF instead of as PDF, which means that one has to open them in a graphics program and resize. TIF is not a format you should use for posting on web pages, because it's not a widely-supported display format (I only know of one browser, Safari, that displays it by default). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
(BTW, Henry, your Reply-To is always set to fin...@lists.shsu.edu, which is invalid for those of us emailing from outside SHSU) On 30 Oct 2009 at 13:15, Howey, Henry wrote: Has Sibelius again shown MM how to do their job? I speak of the information on accessing RAM and optimizing one's machine for doing so. MM must get on the bandwagon and give us this info. Could you please cite an explanation of what you're referring to here? It sounds like FUD to me, as this kind of thing is something that apps should leave to the OS. BTW, I didn't know our MAC friends with Snow Leopard were dead in the water with Sib6. Could you please cite something on this one, too? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
It's called flexi-time as posted earlier.. Bob On Oct 30, 2009, at 2:43 PM, dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals might take more mousing and keystrokes. But entering notes with an external keyboard (left hand only, if your right is on the number pad) is by far the quickest of the possible note entry possibilities in Sibelius as well. I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. I didn't mean real-time note entry. That would have to be done in Hiperscribe, correct? Harold I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John Hyperscribe is the Finale name for it. I think Sibelius calls it real-time entry. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals might take more mousing and keystrokes. But entering notes with an external keyboard (left hand only, if your right is on the number pad) is by far the quickest of the possible note entry possibilities in Sibelius as well. I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. I didn't mean real-time note entry. That would have to be done in Hiperscribe, correct? Harold I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling. John Hyperscribe is the Finale name for it. I think Sibelius calls it real-time entry. My bad -- Sibelius calls it flexitime entry. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/6/6_1_features.html Sibelius 6.1 new features Existing Sibelius 6 user? Update for free now » Windows 7 and Snow Leopard compatible Write beautiful scores on the world’s newest, fastest operating systems. On Oct 30, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Howey, Henry wrote: Has Sibelius again shown MM how to do their job? I speak of the information on accessing RAM and optimizing one's machine for doing so. MM must get on the bandwagon and give us this info. BTW, I didn't know our MAC friends with Snow Leopard were dead in the water with Sib6. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ATT1.txt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
I just played around a little with Sib 6.1, and I must say that the slurs are really good. They are everything Engraver slurs should have been, but aren't. I haven't tested them in depth. Willl they work well for system ends? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
100% agree with Michael here. I've just converted 2 large files with finale 2010, dolet 5 and sib 6.1 and the results are very good. It's surprising how much is transferred. There will be editing required but it is well worth the money. Bravo michael! For my 2c Sibelius 6.1 is very good. Outstanding in fact (a newbie perspective). But Finale beats it in several areas. Every time I use it I find things that are easier and quicker in Finale. For example, flat beams. The use of context menus in Finale is much more intuitive and deep. Want to change something in Finale: right click and there's a good chance it's there. In sib it seems a requirement to find it in the menu, properties tab or know the kbd shortcut. I can't get my head around the layout in Sibelius to get the level of control I am used to. Adjusting slurs and lines is much improved in 6.1 though as someone else mentioned it's slower than Finale - frustratingly so. So Sibelius is by no means nirvana: there are swings and roundabouts to both applications, especially if you are a control freak. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 31/10/2009, at 2:22 AM, Michael Good goodli...@recordare.com wrote: dc den...@free.fr wrote: The conversion of Finale files into Sibelius is Very Bad, pace Dolet, XML and whatnot. This is another area - as is slurs - that is much improved in Sibelius 6.1 compared to the versions you are familiar with. The same is true for conversions back the other way from Sibelius to Finale using our Dolet 5 for Sibelius plug-in. If you have the latest versions of both programs you should be getting good results, though not yet perfect. For Finale, any version since 2004 should work well if used with our Dolet 5 for Finale plug-in. For Sibelius, you need 6.1 for the best results in both directions. Best regards, Michael Good Recodare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
That's what I did in my original test, so to be authentic to it, that's what I put up. It's worthless to try to compare those because you posted as TIF instead of as PDF, which means that one has to open them in a graphics program and resize. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
Am 30.10.2009 um 20:05 schrieb Johannes Gebauer: They are everything Engraver slurs should have been, but aren't. Hmm? Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Marine Band needs a Finale-capable arranger
http://www.marineband.usmc.mil/career_information/vacancies/index.htm#arranger ;-) Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Am 28.10.2009 um 23:28 schrieb Blake Richardson: On 10/28/09 1:00 PM, Gerhard Torges gh.nos...@gmx.de wrote: Am 26.10.2009 um 05:26 schrieb Noel Stoutenburg: US law (where--to the best of my knowledge, the CPDL servers are domiciled) Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance. Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed. Well, that's not true. If it were, then the internet would be reduced whichever country in the world's laws are most restrictive. No. You'd just have to make sure everyone sees a version of your service that is legal to be offeres at the place of reception. If I put up a web site critical of China, that's almost certainly against the law in China but perfectly legal protected expression in America. Ir would be legal in the United States of (north) America. Not in America as a whole. Ask Mr. Chavez what he thinks about this. ;-) Likewise most European countries have laws against displaying, glorifying or selling Nazi symbols and regalia. If I put up a site in America adorned with swastikas (as offensive as that might be) Germany couldn't legally force me to take it down just because it's against the law in Germany. They can force you to prevent the page being diplayed in Germany. And that doesn't even touch on all the laws about what can and can't be seen in Muslim countries that no court in America would enforce. Don't be too sure. But apart from lacking law enforcement -- do you think it's OK to break the law in abroad countries only because they most probably won't get you? Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] request transcribers--from a blind musician
Hello list, I'm a Chinese blind musician Hu Haipeng. My ideal is being a composer like Rodrigo, but there are no braille music transcribers in CHina. Therefore, in 1999, I entered our local conservatory as a (forced) piano major, also as its first blind student. Playing the piano is a torture, because I have strange motion coordination problem which is too difficult to deal with. Fortunately, I can now use softwares to translate Finale and Sibelius files into braille, and use GNU Lilypond to compose music (pdf and midi output). THe main issue for me is, there are few maestros' works online as Finale and Sibelius formats, while learning composition needs analysizing many works. So I'm searching someone to transcribe orchestral scores into FInale/Sibelius formats. Is anyone willing to help me? If asking for price, how do you arrange the cost? Note that I don't want a quick transcription, just one or two pages per day, ok even half a page. Because I just began to work, $500 per month. Ok in China, but poor abroad. Also, my 3 monthss money has currently run out completely to the hospital. I can wait patiently, but hope someone can help me. Best, Hu Haipeng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] request transcribers--from a blind musician
Hi Hu Or should it be Hi Haipeng? Please let me know. If there were pdf to Braille conversion, you could get many scores from public domain sites like Petrucci Music Library. See http://imslp.org/wiki/ I think that if you could find someone to create such software, that would give you the access to scores that you are looking for. What scores that are not currently available are you looking for? Do you have favourite composers whose music you would like to study? David McKay www.aussiemusician.blogspot.com 2009/10/31 hhpmu...@163.com Hello list, I'm a Chinese blind musician Hu Haipeng. My ideal is being a composer like Rodrigo, but there are no braille music transcribers in CHina. Therefore, in 1999, I entered our local conservatory as a (forced) piano major, also as its first blind student. Playing the piano is a torture, because I have strange motion coordination problem which is too difficult to deal with. Fortunately, I can now use softwares to translate Finale and Sibelius files into braille, and use GNU Lilypond to compose music (pdf and midi output). THe main issue for me is, there are few maestros' works online as Finale and Sibelius formats, while learning composition needs analysizing many works. So I'm searching someone to transcribe orchestral scores into FInale/Sibelius formats. Is anyone willing to help me? If asking for price, how do you arrange the cost? Note that I don't want a quick transcription, just one or two pages per day, ok even half a page. Because I just began to work, $500 per month. Ok in China, but poor abroad. Also, my 3 monthss money has currently run out completely to the hospital. I can wait patiently, but hope someone can help me. Best, Hu Haipeng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] request transcribers--from a blind musician
Dear David, Thanks for your email. Unfortunately, Pdf to Braille conversion can never be invented, because the pdf score are mostly scanned image, containing no specified objects such as fonts. I posted a thread on IMSLP, asking who use FInale or Sibelius to type the scores then upload there, but no reply. Perhaps I posted it to a wrong topic. The composers I like are various, but most of them are late 19th-early 20th century (Bach is my favorite, but his scores are easy to find), many are already in braille), such as Debussy, Ravel, Florent Schmit, Mahler, R. Strauss, Bartok, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, and the neo-Vienese School, especially Schoenberg and Webern. Oops, these composers often wrote large scores! But even small scores are not available in either Finale or Sibelius formats. I'm asking on this list because you all are Finale users, and so am I. I have Finale 2010 and Sibelius 6. Regards Haipeng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
What are you talking about? On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Howey, Henry wrote: Has Sibelius again shown MM how to do their job? I speak of the information on accessing RAM and optimizing one's machine for doing so. MM must get on the bandwagon and give us this info. Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology al...@fisherartandtech.com i...@fisherartandtech.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
i think he's talking about Sibelius 6.1 being able to use up to 4 gigs of ram in windows 7. --- send out and aboot on my iPhone --- On Oct 30, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Allen Fisher al...@fisherartandtech.com wrote: What are you talking about? On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Howey, Henry wrote: Has Sibelius again shown MM how to do their job? I speak of the information on accessing RAM and optimizing one's machine for doing so. MM must get on the bandwagon and give us this info. Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology al...@fisherartandtech.com i...@fisherartandtech.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re:Re: [Finale] request transcribers--from a blind musician
Some websites have Finale/sibelius files, such as Finale Showcase and Classical Sheet Music (http://www.music-scores.com/). But many files are not original works, some are not maestros'. A number of braille libraries have braille music, but most of them are piano, vocal, solo or small ensemble works, only a little number of full scores are available. Because most of blind don't learn composition, and most of sighted people need only pdf and cds to view and listen to the scores. Only publishers use notation programs to produce large numbers of scores. But requesting such files is extremely difficult. Only People's Music Publishing in Beijing gave me some scores, but their orchestral repertoires are quite limited. So I still hope someone can copy scores into Finale. Price is discussable, but only until I have collected enough money, after half or one year. I know copying is a very hard work. Regards Haipeng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
On 30 Oct 2009 at 21:27, Eric Dannewitz wrote: i think he's talking about Sibelius 6.1 being able to use up to 4 gigs of ram in windows 7. How is this helpful? Finale is, and always has been, one of the most RAM-efficient applications I have ever run. And the files are quite small, too, relatively speaking. Is Sibelius such a memory hog that it can't run well in 3GBs of RAM? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
Loading up a full orchestra or wind band score with full garritan sounds? --- send out and aboot on my iPhone --- On Oct 30, 2009, at 9:44 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: How is this helpful? Finale is, and always has been, one of the most RAM-efficient applications I have ever run. And the files are quite small, too, relatively speaking. Is Sibelius such a memory hog that it can't run well in 3GBs of RAM? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
On 30 Oct 2009 at 21:52, Eric Dannewitz wrote: On Oct 30, 2009, at 9:44 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: How is this helpful? Finale is, and always has been, one of the most RAM-efficient applications I have ever run. And the files are quite small, too, relatively speaking. Is Sibelius such a memory hog that it can't run well in 3GBs of RAM? Loading up a full orchestra or wind band score with full garritan sounds? And 4GBs is sufficient and 3GBs is not? The extra GB of available memory space may or may not get you enough headroom for easy work with a particular large ensemble played via Garritan. But what if you add ten instruments? Eventually, you're going to hit the limit again. The question is not how much RAM Finale/Sibelius uses, but how sell your Garritan instruments player uses memory, since that's what's serving Finale/Sibelius for the processing of the sounds. This is a really, really minor feature, and one that's likely to be available with every Windows app once Windows 7 becomes the target distribution platform (which it will within the next couple of years). There's a very small population of users for whom this is relevant: 1. users of Garritan with large scores. 2. who are running on Windows 7. This is something for the Sibelius folks to bury in the checklist of nice features, and advantage they'll have for about a year. It's not a Finale-killer, as Henry characterised it, seems to me. (and, of course, I'm working on the assumption that you've correctly identified and described the feature that Henry was referring to) -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
Well, makemusic does as much. Remember the finale release where they touted having the copyright sign as a new feature? Finale 2006 or something? I believe that is what Henry was referring to. The memory thing in 6.1. I couldn't come up with anything else from Sibelius.com that would fit what he was describing --- send out and aboot on my iPhone --- On Oct 30, 2009, at 10:33 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: And 4GBs is sufficient and 3GBs is not? The extra GB of available memory space may or may not get you enough headroom for easy work with a particular large ensemble played via Garritan. But what if you add ten instruments? Eventually, you're going to hit the limit again. The question is not how much RAM Finale/Sibelius uses, but how sell your Garritan instruments player uses memory, since that's what's serving Finale/Sibelius for the processing of the sounds. This is a really, really minor feature, and one that's likely to be available with every Windows app once Windows 7 becomes the target distribution platform (which it will within the next couple of years). There's a very small population of users for whom this is relevant: 1. users of Garritan with large scores. 2. who are running on Windows 7. This is something for the Sibelius folks to bury in the checklist of nice features, and advantage they'll have for about a year. It's not a Finale-killer, as Henry characterised it, seems to me. (and, of course, I'm working on the assumption that you've correctly identified and described the feature that Henry was referring to) -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
