Re: [Finale] composers and new effects
I am late for the thread as usual - to make things worse, I got my studio flooded this week :_( To me, swing feel, or I rather want to use the word Groove is very cultural. I mean, musical style is a really cultural thing. You can't learn them from books. Listening may not be enough. You want to live where that culture is, no? But I think you all know this already. What I wanted to respond to is the bowing thread. I had two violin students who studied jazz impro with me so I did some researching. There are two major different styles. One is the fiddle bowing. They use tip of the bow to produce the time feel. The other is the middle bowing, which you see more often in rock music. It seems middle bowing is coming from classical style. It fits well with rock music because it is more dramatic, but it seems harder to swing probably it's something to do with how the bow speaks - I don't know since I am just a flute player. But I was fascinated with the style differences between the two. Some players such as Jean-Luc Ponty can mix these styles but he is mainly a middle bowing style, while Christian Howes, Rob Thomas, and Matt Glaser those who also teache at Berklee are more of tip bowing. I also found students who came from classical training dislike tip bowing. I personally feel tip bowing swings harder. While I was researching, I found this guy on YouTube, Scott Tixier. This guy grooves! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0QMz_OCvs I just wanted to share :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pearflamesearch_type=aq=f ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] composers and new effects
Dear Hiro, Thanks for finding this clip. While there are some aspects of this guy's playing that are not so much to my taste, his time feel, rhythmic lilt, and variety of articulation are exceptional. Svend Asmussen was very good, and I used to work on recording dates in New York with Harry Lookofsky, a regular on high level recording sessions, who could play Charlie Parker solos with convincing nuance and expressive detail. There is a Quincy Jones recording, from the '70s, I think, in which there's a Toots Thielemans harmonica solo (improvised) that Harry was assigned to learn. Quincy fades Toots out and Harry in after a few measures, and there's hardly any difference in feel. Harry was good. Ray Nance? There are a some examples of people who have learned to do this pretty well. On the purely mathematical/analytical side, Gunther Schuller once suggested that modern swing feel was closer to quintuplets divided 3 and 2, rather than triplets in a 2 to 1 ratio. I don't imagine for a minute that it's that simple, but I do think that is closer than the overly simplified idea that is taught to jazz students who are looking for shortcuts. It's a language, and you have to have the ability and take the time to learn the accent, and there's no avoiding that, if you want to sound authentic. I play equally badly with a French or German bow, but I always feel that jazz phrasing comes more naturally to me with the German grip (Paul Chambers, Slam Stewart, Major Holley). Nevertheless, Chris McBride plays convincingly with a French bow, and Red Mitchell could play like some kind of jazz angel with a variety of grips, so the grip mechanics can't be all that important. I don't have answers. I just find the discussion interesting. Chuck On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:31 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I am late for the thread as usual - to make things worse, I got my studio flooded this week :_( To me, swing feel, or I rather want to use the word Groove is very cultural. I mean, musical style is a really cultural thing. You can't learn them from books. Listening may not be enough. You want to live where that culture is, no? But I think you all know this already. What I wanted to respond to is the bowing thread. I had two violin students who studied jazz impro with me so I did some researching. There are two major different styles. One is the fiddle bowing. They use tip of the bow to produce the time feel. The other is the middle bowing, which you see more often in rock music. It seems middle bowing is coming from classical style. It fits well with rock music because it is more dramatic, but it seems harder to swing probably it's something to do with how the bow speaks - I don't know since I am just a flute player. But I was fascinated with the style differences between the two. Some players such as Jean-Luc Ponty can mix these styles but he is mainly a middle bowing style, while Christian Howes, Rob Thomas, and Matt Glaser those who also teache at Berklee are more of tip bowing. I also found students who came from classical training dislike tip bowing. I personally feel tip bowing swings harder. While I was researching, I found this guy on YouTube, Scott Tixier. This guy grooves! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0QMz_OCvs I just wanted to share :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pearflamesearch_type=aq=f ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] pink shape designer window
wow. weird. anyone ever see anything like this? when i go to edit the shape expression and click on the window there is suddenly pink shading of the dialogue window (pink01). clicking in the window where the shape is changes the pink state, but still weird (pink02). got the same effect after qitting and rebooting finale. and i only get it on this shape, not on others in the same doc. the shape is duplicated (and the two are linked) in the file as well, i have encountered this a couple of times before; deleting one occurence also deletes the other. http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/pink01.pdf http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/pink02.pdf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale
I haven't seen an answer posted to your query apart from Christopher Smith's suggestion. So here is a way to get a little bit of what you want. You can right-click (or control-click) on the file you want to open to get to the contextual menu -- Open With : will allow you to choose which of the programs on you're system you want to open the file with. Not quite as simple a double-click, but a close second option. Bernard Savoie On Mar 04, 2010, at 13:00, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Message: 10 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:04:46 -0800 From: Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com Subject: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: 43ce90311003031704g5ba2f84ey79062e022d125...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I guess this is more of a Macintosh question than a Finale question, but given the experience of users on this list, I'm sure someone has the answer. I finally started using Finale 2010. However, I still have a few straggling projects that I want to finish in 2008. Is there a way to get a file to ALWAYS open in Finale 2008 even though the default for all .mus files is now Finale 2010? Here's what I've done so far: I changed the Open With option in the Get Info menu, (Highlight the file name in the Finder window, right click, choose Get Info). But that only works when neither version of the program is open. I want to double click File_A.mus and have Finale 2008 open up, even if Finale 2010 is already open and I'm working on another file. I know I can drag the file's icon over the Finale 2008 icon in the doc, but I'm far too busy to be bothered with that! Seriously, though, there will come a time when I need to open that file again in the future, and I'll have forgotten which version of Finale I used to create the file. Also, I'd like to avoid adding a 2008 to the filename since I have several orchestra pieces with extracted parts. Mac OS 10.5.8 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale
This is the way in Windows, also, but when I do this I can't get Windows to recognize or find the newest version of Finale. Raymond Horton Bernard Savoie wrote: I haven't seen an answer posted to your query apart from Christopher Smith's suggestion. So here is a way to get a little bit of what you want. You can right-click (or control-click) on the file you want to open to get to the contextual menu -- Open With : will allow you to choose which of the programs on you're system you want to open the file with. Not quite as simple a double-click, but a close second option. Bernard Savoie ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale
I would like to offer this information, if I may. Jon Newton teaches classes in finale and MOTU's digital performer at Portland State University in Portland, Oregon, as well as a series of seminars. He is a beta tester for finale and Digital Performer . This is the url for the web site: http://oregonmts.com/ His solution for opening a file with the correct version of the application is to drag the file you are going to open over the icon of the application you intend to use with that particular file. He specifically warns against double clicking to open a file for the very reason you are expressing in your email. I always tried double clicking before I started taking his seminars. He's also a beta tester for . Respectfully, Michael Mathew - Original Message - From: Ray Horton rayhor...@insightbb.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:48:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale This is the way in Windows, also, but when I do this I can't get Windows to recognize or find the newest version of Finale. Raymond Horton Bernard Savoie wrote: I haven't seen an answer posted to your query apart from Christopher Smith's suggestion. So here is a way to get a little bit of what you want. You can right-click (or control-click) on the file you want to open to get to the contextual menu -- Open With : will allow you to choose which of the programs on you're system you want to open the file with. Not quite as simple a double-click, but a close second option. Bernard Savoie ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale
On 20 Mar 2010 at 13:48, Ray Horton wrote: This is the way in Windows, also, but when I do this I can't get Windows to recognize or find the newest version of Finale. I don't have but one version of Finale installed on my computer (and only the one to install, as I've long ago trashed Finale 97, 3.52 and 2.01), so I don't know how Windows handles multiple versions of Finale. Most Windows applications allow only program at a time registered for open files of a particular extension. Access programmers have the same problem, and have to run multiple versions of Access all the time. We don't use OPEN WITH, but SEND TO. It's just a folder in your user profile with shortcuts in it. It's the equivalent of dragging and dropping a file on an icon. You can find it by typing this in the START | RUN box: %UserProfile%\SendTo ...and then you can copy shortcuts for various Finale versions to it, then right click on a file in Explorer, choose Send To and choose the version of Finale. I Googled a bit to see if it was possible for a user to put multiple versions in the OPEN WITH menu and didn't get anywhere. I suspect the applications have to be engineered appropiately, or the file associations set up properly. Eureka! It doesn't involve OPEN WITH, but it's faster still to use, as it puts the choices on the immediate shortcut menu. If you go to FOLDER OPTIONS in CONTROL PANEL, and choose FILE TYPES type, then locate the MUS file association (on my system, it's easier to type N in the listbox and then go back up to MUS). Select it and click the ADVANCED button. This pops up the list of currently defined actions for this file extension. The first OPEN item is the default program for the MUS extension. It will likely be the last-installed version of Finale. If you highlight the existing OPEN and choose EDIT, you'll see a number of fields filled out. I found that you can get everything filled out properly for a new OPEN action simply by creating the action and pasting in the path to the application. You don't actually need to put in the quotes, nor the %1 parameter (one caveat on this later). So, if you followed my instructions, you're viewing the dialog for the default Finale installation. You might want to edit the name, which is OPEN to indicate the version (e.g., Open 2010). Since it's first in the list of actions, it will remain the default for the MUS file association. Now, save that edit and then back in the EDIT FILE TYPE dialog, there is button for NEW -- click that, and in the ACTION put in, e.g., OPEN 2004, and in the APPLICATION USED, paste the full path/filename, e.g., C:\Program Files\Finale04\Finale.exe. Don't check DDE (it will be automatically set up for you), just click OK to save. Then highlight the new action and click EDIT. You'll see that it's now filled out just like the original OPEN action (uses DDE and has the correct data in the other fields), with one exception: there are quotes around the file path, but not around the %1 parameter. Put in double quotes around the %1, i.e., %1, and then save. (the reason for this latter is so that long filenames are handled correctly; probably not an issue for Finale, but can be an issue for other apps) Now if you got to Windows Explorer and right click on a Finale file, you'll see Open 2010 as the BOLD default action, and Open 2004 as the next choice on the shortcut menu. That's it! And you can add as many Finale versions as you like. In regard to the ordering of the list, each new action is inserted AFTER whatever is selected when you click the NEW button. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale
OK, thanks for all the trouble. I will give this a try. Your post brings up another point. You have removed old versions of Finale and lived to tell the tale. The last time I tried that was maybe 8 or 10 years ago, perhaps more. The uninstall command for the old version wiped out significant portions of the new version Needless to say, i had to reinstall the newer version. I have not run a Finale uninstall since, preferring to replace Finale versions with the occasional hard disk format or computer replacement. i have several versions of Finale on my system now - which can be helpful in sharing files with others but annoying otherwise. So, is Finale's unistall safe, now? Or is Windows remove programs? RBH David W. Fenton wrote: On 20 Mar 2010 at 13:48, Ray Horton wrote: This is the way in Windows, also, but when I do this I can't get Windows to recognize or find the newest version of Finale. I don't have but one version of Finale installed on my computer (and only the one to install, as I've long ago trashed Finale 97, 3.52 and 2.01), so I don't know how Windows handles multiple versions of Finale. Most Windows applications allow only program at a time registered for open files of a particular extension. Access programmers have the same problem, and have to run multiple versions of Access all the time. We don't use OPEN WITH, but SEND TO. It's just a folder in your user profile with shortcuts in it. It's the equivalent of dragging and dropping a file on an icon. You can find it by typing this in the START | RUN box: %UserProfile%\SendTo ...and then you can copy shortcuts for various Finale versions to it, then right click on a file in Explorer, choose Send To and choose the version of Finale. I Googled a bit to see if it was possible for a user to put multiple versions in the OPEN WITH menu and didn't get anywhere. I suspect the applications have to be engineered appropiately, or the file associations set up properly. Eureka! It doesn't involve OPEN WITH, but it's faster still to use, as it puts the choices on the immediate shortcut menu. If you go to FOLDER OPTIONS in CONTROL PANEL, and choose FILE TYPES type, then locate the MUS file association (on my system, it's easier to type N in the listbox and then go back up to MUS). Select it and click the ADVANCED button. This pops up the list of currently defined actions for this file extension. The first OPEN item is the default program for the MUS extension. It will likely be the last-installed version of Finale. If you highlight the existing OPEN and choose EDIT, you'll see a number of fields filled out. I found that you can get everything filled out properly for a new OPEN action simply by creating the action and pasting in the path to the application. You don't actually need to put in the quotes, nor the %1 parameter (one caveat on this later). So, if you followed my instructions, you're viewing the dialog for the default Finale installation. You might want to edit the name, which is OPEN to indicate the version (e.g., Open 2010). Since it's first in the list of actions, it will remain the default for the MUS file association. Now, save that edit and then back in the EDIT FILE TYPE dialog, there is button for NEW -- click that, and in the ACTION put in, e.g., OPEN 2004, and in the APPLICATION USED, paste the full path/filename, e.g., C:\Program Files\Finale04\Finale.exe. Don't check DDE (it will be automatically set up for you), just click OK to save. Then highlight the new action and click EDIT. You'll see that it's now filled out just like the original OPEN action (uses DDE and has the correct data in the other fields), with one exception: there are quotes around the file path, but not around the %1 parameter. Put in double quotes around the %1, i.e., %1, and then save. (the reason for this latter is so that long filenames are handled correctly; probably not an issue for Finale, but can be an issue for other apps) Now if you got to Windows Explorer and right click on a Finale file, you'll see Open 2010 as the BOLD default action, and Open 2004 as the next choice on the shortcut menu. That's it! And you can add as many Finale versions as you like. In regard to the ordering of the list, each new action is inserted AFTER whatever is selected when you click the NEW button. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] getting files to open in only one version of Finale
On 20 Mar 2010 at 19:08, Ray Horton wrote: Your post brings up another point. You have removed old versions of Finale and lived to tell the tale. I have always upgraded my files to the last version I was using and have never kept old ones installed. Were I a publisher or had so many files that needed to be kept in their original format (i.e., too much trouble to fix the formatting issues in them most recent version), I would probably keep old version, but I have never done that. Keep in mind also that I'm a conservative upgrader, and have only ever used these versions: Finale 2.01 Finale 3.52 Finale 97 Finale 2003 The last is what I'm still using. Yes, I recognize that I would get great benefits from upgrading to Finale 2010, but I would also not get full benefit with my present hardware. I'm due for a new computer or two and will likely upgrade when I get a new computer. The last time I tried that was maybe 8 or 10 years ago, perhaps more. The uninstall command for the old version wiped out significant portions of the new version Needless to say, i had to reinstall the newer version. I've never had multiple versions installed. I've gone through 6 computers since I started using Finale, and have not upgraded Finale on all of them. In 1991, I installed Finale 2.01 on my laptop (but not on my desktop, which was incapable of running Windows in any useful form). In 1993 or 94, with a new laptop, I re-installed 2.01. I didn't upgrade that machine either, so far as I recall, though I may very well have installed 3.52 on it. I got my next computer, a desktop, in 1996, and that one started out with 3.52 and did get upgraded to Finale 97 later on. My next computer I acquired c. 2001, and it started out with 97, and I upgraded it to 2003 in 2003. In all cases of upgrades, I replaced the old version and upgraded my files at the point I needed to use them (I didn't systematically go through and upgrade the files -- only if I was working on them anyway). But really, I didn't have all that many files to upgrade from 3.52 to 97 (probably not more than 3 dozen significant files), and it is only in the last 10 years or so that I've accumulated a significant number of files, most not very complicated. My really complex files are my piano quartets/quintets, and I've not created very many new ones of those in the last 5 years or so. Most of my work in the last 5 years has been in creating editions for the NYU Collegium and for my viol consort. Those are much smaller and simpler files than the piano quartet/quintet files. I have not run a Finale uninstall since, preferring to replace Finale versions with the occasional hard disk format or computer replacement. i have several versions of Finale on my system now - which can be helpful in sharing files with others but annoying otherwise. So, is Finale's unistall safe, now? Or is Windows remove programs? I don't recall whether I uninstalled Finale or just installed over top of it. Likely it was the latter as I can't stand programs that put too much information in their installation directory names. That is, I would never install Finale 2003 in anything other than a folder called Finale. Likewise, Finale 2010 will be installed in a folder called Finale. The only exception I make to that is when I'm purposely maintaining multiple versions, but with Finale, I've never done that, so never uninstalled. I've never encountered any issues in that regard, but I'm also dealing with versions of Finale that predate Garritan. No doubt that has increased the complexity of the Finale installation setup, so uninstalling might be advisable. I really don't know. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
