Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've double checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to be changing when I click paste. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Ryan, This works for me, though occasionally I have to click the paste twice, or go back and copy the layout from the originally chosen part another time. The only time I have trouble otherwise is when Finale loses its Automatic Update Layout preference (that does happen from time to time), and you have to reset that, or update the layout manually (Command U). Other than that, I have no helpful ideas. Chuck On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ryan wrote: Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've double checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to be changing when I click paste. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Big DUH on my part. I forgot to Update Layout (Command U). And, just like most situations, I did that step IMMEDIATELY after writing the list! Thanks for the response. Regarding this Plug-in: Does anyone know what is changed when you choose Miscellaneous Document Settings under the Settings tab? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.netwrote: Ryan, This works for me, though occasionally I have to click the paste twice, or go back and copy the layout from the originally chosen part another time. The only time I have trouble otherwise is when Finale loses its Automatic Update Layout preference (that does happen from time to time), and you have to reset that, or update the layout manually (Command U). Other than that, I have no helpful ideas. Chuck On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ryan wrote: Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've double checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to be changing when I click paste. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Never tried that - no idea - a little afraid of experimenting with that. An explanation of that is probably in Tobias' documentation. On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ryan wrote: Big DUH on my part. I forgot to Update Layout (Command U). And, just like most situations, I did that step IMMEDIATELY after writing the list! Thanks for the response. Regarding this Plug-in: Does anyone know what is changed when you choose Miscellaneous Document Settings under the Settings tab? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.netwrote: Ryan, This works for me, though occasionally I have to click the paste twice, or go back and copy the layout from the originally chosen part another time. The only time I have trouble otherwise is when Finale loses its Automatic Update Layout preference (that does happen from time to time), and you have to reset that, or update the layout manually (Command U). Other than that, I have no helpful ideas. Chuck On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ryan wrote: Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've double checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to be changing when I click paste. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
I am writing an editorial preface for one of my editions and want to put a natural sign in a paragraph. When I use maestro font and n, I get the natural sign, but it appears lower than the rest of the text. I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the rest of the text). Any suggestions? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
On 3/22/2010 2:21 PM, Martin Banner wrote: When I use maestro font and n, I get the natural sign, but it appears lower than the rest of the text. I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the rest of the text). Any suggestions? In Word, or in layout programs, you should be able to tweak the size and position of that character to get it exactly where you want it. You say superscript, for example, but in Word, in addition to the defined Superscript character attribute, I can specify exactly how many points I want the character raised above the normal baseline. I can do the same in something like InDesign. Another option would be using the EngraverTextT or EngraverTextH fonts that come with Finale. These are intended for mixing text and musical signs, so that the symbols are sized closer to text at the same point size. So a 12-point n in one of these fonts gives you a natural sign that fits pretty well with 12-point text. (EngraverTextT has numerals from Times, while H has numerals from Helvetica. I think there's also an NCS with numerals from New Century Schoolbook. The musical symbols, taken from Engraver rather than Maestro, look the same in all of them.) In either case, you're probably going to have to play with line spacing. Either of these solutions will likely make your application want to allot more vertical space to the line with a music character. If you've got a 1-line bit of text that you're placing somewhere, this won't matter, but in a paragraph you'll need to apply manual spacing to get all the lines the same height. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
Martin Banner wrote: I am writing an editorial preface for one of my editions and want to put a natural sign in a paragraph. When I use maestro font and n, I get the natural sign, but it appears lower than the rest of the text. I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the rest of the text). Any suggestions? In my version of Word (2000), I can use Format/Character... and there's a tab there where I can set how high/low I want the selected character. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
I'm coming late to this thread...but has anyone mentioned the Bach font? From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Jari Williamsson [jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:54 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file Martin Banner wrote: I am writing an editorial preface for one of my editions and want to put a natural sign in a paragraph. When I use maestro font and n, I get the natural sign, but it appears lower than the rest of the text. I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the rest of the text). Any suggestions? In my version of Word (2000), I can use Format/Character... and there's a tab there where I can set how high/low I want the selected character. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Banner Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:21 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file I am writing an editorial preface for one of my editions and want to put a natural sign in a paragraph. When I use maestro font and n, I get the natural sign, but it appears lower than the rest of the text. I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the rest of the text). Any suggestions? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersear ch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
And what character(s) should I type in to get the natural sign? On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:52 pm, Martin Banner wrote: And what character(s) should I type in to get the natural sign? For future reference, there's an easy font called MusiQwik. http://www.fontspace.com/robert-allgeyer/musiqwik I use this font for short classroom-style examples that don't require chords. It's not especially handsome, but it works easily in Word. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
opt-shift-D On Mar 22, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Martin Banner wrote: And what character(s) should I type in to get the natural sign? On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php? keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
In Word I went to Insert-- symbol and found it. That slot says that Alt+0206 also places that character but when I do that a slightly different natural sign is inserted. I don't know why that is. In Word, Font-- Character Spacing can adjust up or down, also. And what character(s) should I type in to get the natural sign? On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersear ch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
Martin, Though you don't specify what you're using to produce the prefatory material, if you're using a word processor, you may well find that there is a mechanism within the word processor for generating a symbol. In Wordperfect, three of the available symbols which can be inserted into a document are a flat, a sharp, and a natural. If you are producing the prefatory material as a Finale text block, since Finale 2000, there has been at least one manner of shifting the baseline so as to move the baseline of a character up or down without moving the size of the item. If you want to do it as you go, highlight the natural sign, select the text option in the menu bar, and from the drop down menu select baseline shift. If you want to make all the adjustments at once after you've finished completed the editing, you can also find the baseline shift menu item subsidiary to the text item in the edit text dialog box. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
No. (IMO.) Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 22 Mar 2010, at 4:33 PM, dc wrote: I have a piece with three endings, where 1 3 are identical. Is it kosher to put them both under the same bracket, say, with 1. 3. and then 2. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
Oooo... I don't think so. While I have given multiple numbers to endings before, it is very strange to have the FIRST box be the last box, and have to skip over material to go on. Now, if there is a FINE at the end of the 3rd ending, I would do it, but not otherwise. In fact, I wouldn't number endings non- sequentially at all (1,3 then 2,4 for example). Only things like 1,2,3, then 4 are permissible. Latin charts are exempt. Salsa tunes tend to have these complex roadmaps that the musicians expect and can understand. Regular music, not so much. Christopher On Mon Mar 22, at MondayMar 22 4:33 PM, dc wrote: I have a piece with three endings, where 1 3 are identical. Is it kosher to put them both under the same bracket, say, with 1. 3. and then 2. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
dc wrote: I have a piece with three endings, where 1 3 are identical. Is it kosher to put them both under the same bracket, say, with 1. 3. and then 2. Depends upon the context. I've seen it done this way in brass band parts produced in an era when labor and paper were expensive, but the last piece in which I observed this, also had different ending layouts from one part to another. If the the work is a critical edition, in which your aim is to reproduce the original layout exactly, then perhaps. Also, if there is another sound reason to do so (e.g., the only way to prevent a particularly awkward page turn), but otherwise, when you can produce pages of material with a couple of mouse clicks, and when paper is cheap, what is achieved by doing so? ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
dc wrote: I have a piece with three endings, where 1 3 are identical. Is it kosher to put them both under the same bracket, say, with 1. 3. and then 2. Thanks, I've seen it done, but I do agree with Darcy that the answer should be no. The main reason is that the road map issues can get really confusing -- for instance is your 1st ending a repeat ending? Would you want the 3rd ending to repeat back to the beginning of that section, or would the 3rd ending jump to another part of the song? Perhaps if you were to explain more fully the road map for the work in question, we could offer better insight to help you make the music the clearest. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
On 22 Mar 2010 at 17:11, dhbailey wrote: Perhaps if you were to explain more fully the road map for the work in question, we could offer better insight to help you make the music the clearest. Maybe it's my early music background, but for one particular situation, I see no issue with it, and that's an ABA where the 2nd ending starts the B section, and 1st ending is the FINE for the repeat of the A section. I just don't see how that's confusing at all. Then again, it's a very familiar roadmap for music before 1800. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
David W. Fenton wrote: Maybe it's my early music background, but for one particular situation, I see no issue with it, and that's an ABA where the 2nd ending starts the B section, and 1st ending is the FINE for the repeat of the A section. I just don't see how that's confusing at all. Then again, it's a very familiar roadmap for music before 1800. I must admit that this was my first reaction as well, but upon further reflection I realized that I have seldom, if ever, seen ending signs and brackets used in this idiom. More commonly I have seen the first A section, and the B section written out in full, with no repeat brackets, but with a DC or DS at the end of the B section, and the end of the composition after the reprise of the A section indicated by either a fermata, or the word fine. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats and endings
On 22 Mar 2010 at 23:22, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: Maybe it's my early music background, but for one particular situation, I see no issue with it, and that's an ABA where the 2nd ending starts the B section, and 1st ending is the FINE for the repeat of the A section. I just don't see how that's confusing at all. Then again, it's a very familiar roadmap for music before 1800. I was kind of confused (it's been a long day, with a long rehearsal this evening) when I wrote that. An AABA would be more like it. I must admit that this was my first reaction as well, but upon further reflection I realized that I have seldom, if ever, seen ending signs and brackets used in this idiom. More commonly I have seen the first A section, and the B section written out in full, with no repeat brackets, but with a DC or DS at the end of the B section, and the end of the composition after the reprise of the A section indicated by either a fermata, or the word fine. In a standard ABA (da capo aria, for instance), there's no 1st/2nd ending, of course, since the A is not repeated. But here's a part that wouldn't be confusing if the A section repeated after the B: http://tearesofthemuses.com/Editions/Parts/Schein- ChristUnserHerr/Schein-ChristUnserHerr0.pdf To be clear, this piece does *not* reprise the first section, but if it did, it wouldn't be unclear at all. And if you wrote it out, it would require another page, so I think it's a virtue for a number of reasons to write it out as originally outlined. But it does raise the question of how to notate the repeat of the 1st ending, either as 1, 3 with FINE or as just 1 with FINE. I'm not sure on that, to be honest. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
