Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
Apparently Notion for iPad cannot edit lyrics. Here's a comparison between Notion and Symphony Pro: http://techinmusiced.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/a-preliminary-comparison-of-notion-and-symphony-pro/ From that article: Notion 1.0 doesn’t allow for lyrics–but it CAN import lyrics. If you write a song with lyrics using another program (e.g. Finale, MuseScore, Sibelius) that has the ability to export MusicXML files, you can import (but not edit) those lyrics in Notion. Michael On 17 Dec 2011, at 23:11, Michael L Meyer wrote: David -- I've played with it a bit so far too, and it's very impressive. However, is it only instrumental tracks/staves? When I was checking out starting a new document, I didn't see any category that wasn't instruments. Anyone else who's been playing with the app, I'd love to hear if I've just missed something. The vast majority of my work is in choral/voice. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
On 12/17/2011 3:05 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'm now interested in checking out the full blown Mac version of it to see if it can hold up against finale I will be interested to hear your impression of it for Mac -- I was an original beta-tester for it and found it very limiting in what it could do, but that was many years ago and they've made a lot of improvements over the years, I'm sure. Their main claim to fame with the original release was that it included London Symphony Orchestra samples, which gave great sounds but I found it awkward to work with the notation entry. They've obviously survived, though, so there must be a large installed user base to keep it going. Please post your impressions to this group! -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
On 12/17/2011 5:11 PM, Michael L Meyer wrote: David -- I've played with it a bit so far too, and it's very impressive. However, is it only instrumental tracks/staves? When I was checking out starting a new document, I didn't see any category that wasn't instruments. Anyone else who's been playing with the app, I'd love to hear if I've just missed something. The vast majority of my work is in choral/voice. On the Notion forums (at the notionmusic.com website) there were inquiries concerning the entry of lyrics and a representative of Notion mentioned that lyrics entry would be added as they keep on developing the product. But you're right, currently it seems to be instrumental only. However, you can write the music for the vocal staves and import the MusicXML file into Finale or Sibelius and do the lyrics entry and refinement of the vocal staves in either of those programs until such time as those capabilities get added to Notion for iPad. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
On 12/18/2011 3:25 AM, Florence + Michael wrote: Apparently Notion for iPad cannot edit lyrics. Here's a comparison between Notion and Symphony Pro: http://techinmusiced.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/a-preliminary-comparison-of-notion-and-symphony-pro/ From that article: Notion 1.0 doesn’t allow for lyrics–but it CAN import lyrics. If you write a song with lyrics using another program (e.g. Finale, MuseScore, Sibelius) that has the ability to export MusicXML files, you can import (but not edit) those lyrics in Notion. Thanks for the link to that article -- with all the stuff that Notion can do that is superior to SymphonyPro (I've had it on my iPad for many months now) I think that waiting a short while for the folks at NotionSoftware to add the lyrics capability is something I could live with. I don't work much with lyrics, though, so it's an easy thing for me to say. ;-) -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
It seems to be unavailable in Europe Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
It's certainly available in Holland - I'm in Amsterdam and I downloaded the app yesterday with no problems... Best, Peter Lockwood On 18/12/2011 14:37, Lawrence Yates wrote: It seems to be unavailable in Europe Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
Maybe I'm missing something here (I very often do) but when I tried to create an account and it asked for country, no European countries were listed as options Is it possible to download it without creating an account then? Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 13:44, Peter Lockwood ploc...@gmail.com wrote: It's certainly available in Holland - I'm in Amsterdam and I downloaded the app yesterday with no problems... Best, -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
Forget it - I was missing something - you get it from the appstore, not the website. Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 13:51, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'm missing something here (I very often do) but when I tried to create an account and it asked for country, no European countries were listed as options Is it possible to download it without creating an account then? -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
Thanks Ryan, Tried that - I've checked it, unchecked it, tried all the options in that box. Any more ideas? At the moment the percussion lines are unusable. Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 02:47, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: Try this Select staff tool. Click that percussion staff. In the window that pops up, perhaps use alternate font is checked. If it is, uncheck it and your problems should be solved. -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
Is there a staff style applied to it? On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Ryan, Tried that - I've checked it, unchecked it, tried all the options in that box. Any more ideas? At the moment the percussion lines are unusable. Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 02:47, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: Try this Select staff tool. Click that percussion staff. In the window that pops up, perhaps use alternate font is checked. If it is, uncheck it and your problems should be solved. -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
Hi Ryan, No. This is straight out of the box. All the percussion lines are the same. It's a characteristic of all the percussion staves. It looks like a font issue or a notehead issue but I can't find a way of changing it to just normal noteheads (the normal noteheads box doesn't make any difference either.) I've tried clearing staff styles just in case - still the same. Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 15:30, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a staff style applied to it? -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
Got it! It seems it was using Maestro Percussion notehead font. I've changed it to Maestro and all is well now. Thanks for your help in guiding me towards this. Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 15:45, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ryan, No. This is straight out of the box. All the percussion lines are the same. It's a characteristic of all the percussion staves. It looks like a font issue or a notehead issue but I can't find a way of changing it to just normal noteheads (the normal noteheads box doesn't make any difference either.) I've tried clearing staff styles just in case - still the same. Cheers, Lawrence On 18 December 2011 15:30, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a staff style applied to it? -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
At 3:45 PM + 12/18/11, Lawrence Yates wrote: Hi Ryan, No. This is straight out of the box. All the percussion lines are the same. It's a characteristic of all the percussion staves. It looks like a font issue or a notehead issue but I can't find a way of changing it to just normal noteheads (the normal noteheads box doesn't make any difference either.) I suspect (although I have no way of knowing) that this may be based on a set of notation styles (mostly alternative noteheads) advocated by an International Percussive Society or some such organization. I've read something, somewhere about it. The problem being, of course, that it's a system that is neither known nor used by a huge majority of working musicians. *I* would certainly never choose to use it, for that very reason. I'm quite happy writing percussion parts with standard notation, and so is most of the world!!! And since I just sat on end-of-semester percussion juries I can tell you that I've never seen it in any music written by some very fine percussionists, either. It makes sense for Finale to offer it as an alternative, but as an unchangeable default, no, that makes no sense at all. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
As will be clear, I've only had Fin2012 for a couple of days and am therefore very much a beginner. Having moved up directly from 2006 there are some huge differences. I must admit that most of the differences I've found so far have been vast improvements and I am very impressed. (Although there are a couple things I don't really understand - I don't understand why retranscribe should be under midi/audio - maybe other people use it differently from the way I do.) I solved my initial problem by changing the percussion notehead font in Independent Elements in the Staff attributes box, but until I can find something in the documentation about this, and I haven't yet, I'm having to change this for every percussion instrument in every document which is a bit of a bind. No doubt there'll be a solution somewhere and one day I'll be able to change the default. As for this Maestro Percussion font - I've been a working musician for nearly forty years and I've never seen it before. I don't understand why it should be set as the default. I'm not a percussionist but I am a conductor so I've had plenty of opportunity to see it if, like the Loch Ness Monster, it really exists. Cheers -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crazy percussion font
I have been using the Maestro Percussion font for a while, and I find some of its note-heads useful. Before using this as the default, I had to specify x noteheads for cymbals in the percussion staff attributes dialog and never bothered with half note or whole notes for cymbals. Maestro Percussion provides x s in circles for half and whole note cymbal notes. Also, another symbol I find useful in my writing is one for a cross-stick rim shot (a common sound in jazz charts). There is a special symbol for that and, once learned, it is more efficient than a text expression. It took me years to wrap my head around percussion maps and the related MIDI key switches, but my MIDI keyboard now has tags on the correct keys for the instruments on the drum set staff, and entering the drum music has become far easier. (And the playback is correct though that is less of an issue for me, it's still a benefit.) Of course, my percussion writing is most often limited to drum set parts. It may be a different story for a more colorful and varied set of things to hit. Chuck On Dec 18, 2011, at 4:28 PM, John Howell wrote: At 3:45 PM + 12/18/11, Lawrence Yates wrote: Hi Ryan, No. This is straight out of the box. All the percussion lines are the same. It's a characteristic of all the percussion staves. It looks like a font issue or a notehead issue but I can't find a way of changing it to just normal noteheads (the normal noteheads box doesn't make any difference either.) I suspect (although I have no way of knowing) that this may be based on a set of notation styles (mostly alternative noteheads) advocated by an International Percussive Society or some such organization. I've read something, somewhere about it. The problem being, of course, that it's a system that is neither known nor used by a huge majority of working musicians. *I* would certainly never choose to use it, for that very reason. I'm quite happy writing percussion parts with standard notation, and so is most of the world!!! And since I just sat on end-of-semester percussion juries I can tell you that I've never seen it in any music written by some very fine percussionists, either. It makes sense for Finale to offer it as an alternative, but as an unchangeable default, no, that makes no sense at all. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
At 9:25 AM +0100 12/18/11, Florence + Michael wrote: Apparently Notion for iPad cannot edit lyrics. Here's a comparison between Notion and Symphony Pro: http://techinmusiced.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/a-preliminary-comparison-of-notion-and-symphony-pro/ From that article: Notion 1.0 doesn't allow for lyrics-but it CAN import lyrics. If you write a song with lyrics using another program (e.g. Finale, MuseScore, Sibelius) that has the ability to export MusicXML files, you can import (but not edit) those lyrics in Notion. Michael Sounds as if the Notion folks have really dropped the ball on this, considering that over 95% of all pop music DOES involve lyrics. (And I doubt that their target market is professional engravers!) Oh, maybe they'll bring out a new version in a year with lyrics as a new feature! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notion music notation software for iPad
How could they have dropped the ball? They have an excellent, CHEAP, App out that sounds great. Ok, sure, no lyrics…..yet……but that is hardly dropping the ball. The company that has totally dropped the ball, missed the boat, again, is MAKEMUSIC……where is there Finale viewer app? Or Finale Notepad for iOS? Or a SmartMusic iPad app? Or……any app? -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ iMessage ericdannew...@me.com On Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 10:39 AM, John Howell wrote: At 9:25 AM +0100 12/18/11, Florence + Michael wrote: Apparently Notion for iPad cannot edit lyrics. Here's a comparison between Notion and Symphony Pro: http://techinmusiced.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/a-preliminary-comparison-of-notion-and-symphony-pro/ From that article: Notion 1.0 doesn't allow for lyrics-but it CAN import lyrics. If you write a song with lyrics using another program (e.g. Finale, MuseScore, Sibelius) that has the ability to export MusicXML files, you can import (but not edit) those lyrics in Notion. Michael Sounds as if the Notion folks have really dropped the ball on this, considering that over 95% of all pop music DOES involve lyrics. (And I doubt that their target market is professional engravers!) Oh, maybe they'll bring out a new version in a year with lyrics as a new feature! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu (mailto:Finale@shsu.edu) http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
