[Finale] MIDI woes
Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency! Any advice welcome... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk25-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency! Any advice welcome... Phil. “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk25-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency! Any advice welcome... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read. Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M-Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk25-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency! Any advice welcome... Phil. “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency! Any advice welcome... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time. I have had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous. I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize. Are you able to use the Casio with a non-usb input of some sort? I thought midi input cards had gone out with Culture Club? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency!
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I use the Casio with a MIDI to USB cable. There is latency before I hear it through the computer so I turn that down and listen to the Casio directly while doing input. I also had some kind of Korg that was not amplified and could not tolerate the latency. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Raymond Horton Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:32 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI woes It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time. I have had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous. I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize. Are you able to use the Casio with a non-usb input of some sort? I thought midi input cards had gone out with Culture Club? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-l pk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I really don't know if it *is* the software at fault. Everyone seems to think that we all know how to set this stuff up. The controller I had before came with no instructions at all. The Finale manual seems to think the same. It goes on about making sure that the midi in and midi out connections go to the right place. This keyboard only has a single midi socket... Then it refers you to the keyboard manual... The manual for this keyboard is a little pamphlet which doesn't even *mention* the word midi. The midi port is not even labelled in the diagram! About 90% of it consists of a list of what 'voice' is assigned to what number on the display. When I go into device setup-midi setup, the autodetect option has found my usb controller, so the program knows it is there. So how do I tell it to accept the input? I just followed through all the suggested steps, but it made no difference. I guess because this keyboard only has the single port, it is impossible to be sure just whether it is trying to send the data or not. I was just able to get the keyboard sounding (more or less) through my PC. I say more or less, because I had to hit the keys really hard to get any effect. This still wasn't detected in Finale... Oh, and it plays through the speakers when the cat walks along the keyboard too! Phil. At 01:41 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M-Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk25-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I
[Finale] Lost Mixer
Hi Folks, I've done something daft - I had the mixer open and moved it to the bottom of the screen. Unfortunately I moved it too far and it disappeared off the screen. Now I can't get it back. Any ideas please, Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
Hmm - I don't have that latency problem with the Casio, using the midi to USB cable. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I use the Casio with a MIDI to USB cable. There is latency before I hear it through the computer so I turn that down and listen to the Casio directly while doing input. I also had some kind of Korg that was not amplified and could not tolerate the latency. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Raymond Horton Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:32 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI woes It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time. I have had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous. I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize. Are you able to use the Casio with a non-usb input of some sort? I thought midi input cards had gone out with Culture Club? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-l pk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I
Re: [Finale] Lost Mixer
Change your screen resolution? Then move it to the center of the screen and change the resolution back. That might work. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Folks, I've done something daft - I had the mixer open and moved it to the bottom of the screen. Unfortunately I moved it too far and it disappeared off the screen. Now I can't get it back. Any ideas please, Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I was *trying* to play in real time... At 04:31 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time. I have had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous. I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize. Are you able to use the Casio with a non-usb input of some sort? I thought midi input cards had gone out with Culture Club? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of
