Re: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Thomas Schaller]

I believe what’s going on here is Michael going from a minor to a major key (or 
vica versa) - that will produce a cancellation of all current accidentals and 
then restating the new key signature. Easy fix: only use major keys.

Thomas

> On May 10, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Aaron Sherber  wrote:
> 
> I think either Steve is misreading Michael's original post, or I am.
> 
> I read the post as saying that if Michael is going from Eb major to F
> major, for example, he's seeing 3 naturals followed by a single flat. I
> don't believe I've ever seen this behavior, and I can't reproduce it
> currently. That's why I asked if he had a small file that demonstrates the
> issue.
> 
> Aaron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> You will be glad to know that this issue has FINALLY been fixed but only
>> in FIN25. I've lobbied for this for years and it was welcome news to find
>> out they finally gave us the option to control this about a year ago
>> (attached screenshot). The workaround was always painful!
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> From: Finale  on behalf of Michael Edwards <
>> mjedwa...@foxall.com.au>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:04 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> Subject: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.
>> 
>> Hallo.
>> 
>>  I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There
>> are two basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key
>> signature (partially or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new
>> one, or just inserting the new one.
>>  I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional
>> method - but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering
>> if this is a known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
>>  As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key
>> signature if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go
>> from sharps to a smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat
>> signature, you cancel only the flats or sharps in the old signature that
>> won't be in the new one.  And if you are going from a smaller to a
>> larger signature of the same type, then, and only then, do you have no
>> naturals at all.
>>  However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the
>> naturals for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the
>> last case I mentioned where none are needed.
>>  To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things
>> correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to
>> suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each
>> situation that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case
>> where it does it incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing
>> it seems to make any difference.
>>  This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible
>> that it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed
>> and corrected.
>>  (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings
>> in the menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change
>> some behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal
>> rules for changing key signatures, as I described above.)
>> 
>>  Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I
>> possibly doing something wrong that I just don't know about?
>>  Thank you.
>> 
>>  Michael Edwards.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Aaron Sherber]

I think either Steve is misreading Michael's original post, or I am.

I read the post as saying that if Michael is going from Eb major to F
major, for example, he's seeing 3 naturals followed by a single flat. I
don't believe I've ever seen this behavior, and I can't reproduce it
currently. That's why I asked if he had a small file that demonstrates the
issue.

Aaron.




On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> You will be glad to know that this issue has FINALLY been fixed but only
> in FIN25. I've lobbied for this for years and it was welcome news to find
> out they finally gave us the option to control this about a year ago
> (attached screenshot). The workaround was always painful!
>
> Enjoy!
> Steve
>
> 
> From: Finale  on behalf of Michael Edwards <
> mjedwa...@foxall.com.au>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:04 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.
>
> Hallo.
>
>   I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There
> are two basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key
> signature (partially or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new
> one, or just inserting the new one.
>   I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional
> method - but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering
> if this is a known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
>   As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key
> signature if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go
> from sharps to a smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat
> signature, you cancel only the flats or sharps in the old signature that
> won't be in the new one.  And if you are going from a smaller to a
> larger signature of the same type, then, and only then, do you have no
> naturals at all.
>   However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the
> naturals for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the
> last case I mentioned where none are needed.
>   To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things
> correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to
> suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each
> situation that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case
> where it does it incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing
> it seems to make any difference.
>   This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible
> that it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed
> and corrected.
>   (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings
> in the menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change
> some behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal
> rules for changing key signatures, as I described above.)
>
>   Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I
> possibly doing something wrong that I just don't know about?
>   Thank you.
>
>   Michael Edwards.
>
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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[Lee Actor]

When you hit the 4 again you changed the default rhythm from 8th note triplets 
to 8th notes.  If you don't enter a new rhythm, you'll keep getting 8th note 
triplets.

-Lee 

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Subject: Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

On 5/10/2018 6:55 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
> There is: While in Speedy Entry, press Caps Lock, then ctrl-3, then 4 (for 
> 8th note triplets).  Every note entered will now be an 8th-note triplet until 
> you hit Caps Lock again.
> 

That doesn't work for me (Win10, Finale25) -- I enter Speedy Entry, 
press the Caps Lock, ctrl-3, then 4 and I can enter 1 set of 8th-note 
triplets.  The caps lock has stayed engaged, but hitting 4 after that 
first triplet set just gives me regular 8th notes, not triplets.


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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[David H. Bailey]

On 5/10/2018 6:55 PM, Lee Actor wrote:

There is: While in Speedy Entry, press Caps Lock, then ctrl-3, then 4 (for 8th 
note triplets).  Every note entered will now be an 8th-note triplet until you 
hit Caps Lock again.



That doesn't work for me (Win10, Finale25) -- I enter Speedy Entry, 
press the Caps Lock, ctrl-3, then 4 and I can enter 1 set of 8th-note 
triplets.  The caps lock has stayed engaged, but hitting 4 after that 
first triplet set just gives me regular 8th notes, not triplets.



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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[S Jones]

Thanks Lee!

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 6:56 PM Lee Actor  wrote:

> There is: While in Speedy Entry, press Caps Lock, then ctrl-3, then 4 (for
> 8th note triplets).  Every note entered will now be an 8th-note triplet
> until you hit Caps Lock again.
>
> -Lee
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Jones
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 3:36 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry
>
> For each beat you restart with Ctrl-3. I wish there were a quicker way
> like Sibelius does where you can set up a bracket and hit the R (repeat)
> key and it will continue to create triplets as long as you want them.
>
> __
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>
> Sent from my telepathetic mind
>
> > On May 10, 2018, at 6:19 PM, martin nickless 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks
> > I’m trying to put quartet triplets on beat one two three and four
> > I can put the triplet on beat one
> > But it reverts to 8th notes for the rest of the bar
> > !
> > What am I missing
> > Thanks for help on this one
> >
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2018 at 23:16, S Jones  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hold down the Ctrl key and type the note value using the num pad if you
> are
> >> on a full keyboard, otherwise use the numbers across the top of the
> laptop
> >> keyboard.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Martin Nickless 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi there
> >>> Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me
> >>> how you enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry
> >>> Many thanks I’m on finale 25
> >>> And use windows
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[Lee Actor]

There is: While in Speedy Entry, press Caps Lock, then ctrl-3, then 4 (for 8th 
note triplets).  Every note entered will now be an 8th-note triplet until you 
hit Caps Lock again.

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From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 3:36 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

For each beat you restart with Ctrl-3. I wish there were a quicker way like 
Sibelius does where you can set up a bracket and hit the R (repeat) key and it 
will continue to create triplets as long as you want them. 

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> On May 10, 2018, at 6:19 PM, martin nickless  wrote:
> 
> Thanks
> I’m trying to put quartet triplets on beat one two three and four
> I can put the triplet on beat one
> But it reverts to 8th notes for the rest of the bar
> !
> What am I missing
> Thanks for help on this one
> 
>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 at 23:16, S Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Hold down the Ctrl key and type the note value using the num pad if you are
>> on a full keyboard, otherwise use the numbers across the top of the laptop
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Martin Nickless 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me
>>> how you enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry
>>> Many thanks I’m on finale 25
>>> And use windows
>>> Thanks
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[Scott Jones]

For each beat you restart with Ctrl-3. I wish there were a quicker way like 
Sibelius does where you can set up a bracket and hit the R (repeat) key and it 
will continue to create triplets as long as you want them. 

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> On May 10, 2018, at 6:19 PM, martin nickless  wrote:
> 
> Thanks
> I’m trying to put quartet triplets on beat one two three and four
> I can put the triplet on beat one
> But it reverts to 8th notes for the rest of the bar
> !
> What am I missing
> Thanks for help on this one
> 
>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 at 23:16, S Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Hold down the Ctrl key and type the note value using the num pad if you are
>> on a full keyboard, otherwise use the numbers across the top of the laptop
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Martin Nickless 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me
>>> how you enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry
>>> Many thanks I’m on finale 25
>>> And use windows
>>> Thanks
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[martin nickless]

Thanks
I’m trying to put quartet triplets on beat one two three and four
I can put the triplet on beat one
But it reverts to 8th notes for the rest of the bar
!
What am I missing
Thanks for help on this one

On Thu, 10 May 2018 at 23:16, S Jones  wrote:

> Hold down the Ctrl key and type the note value using the num pad if you are
> on a full keyboard, otherwise use the numbers across the top of the laptop
> keyboard.
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Martin Nickless 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi there
> > Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me
> > how you enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry
> > Many thanks I’m on finale 25
> > And use windows
> > Thanks
> > Martin
> >
> >
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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[S Jones]

Hold down the Ctrl key and type the note value using the num pad if you are
on a full keyboard, otherwise use the numbers across the top of the laptop
keyboard.

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Martin Nickless 
wrote:

> Hi there
> Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me
> how you enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry
> Many thanks I’m on finale 25
> And use windows
> Thanks
> Martin
>
>
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[Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[Martin Nickless]

Hi there 
Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me how you 
enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry 
Many thanks I’m on finale 25
And use windows
Thanks
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[Finale] Bill Duncan Finale productivity

[Martin Nickless]

Hi there all 
Does anybody use bill Duncan’s fonts etc
On windows 10 pc
Would be very grateful if someone could just give me a little help running the 
disc maybe a few instructions to get started 
Many thanks
Martin

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Re: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Lawrence David Eden]

 The solution can be found in Document Options/key signatures.  This is in 
Finale 25.  IIRC, earlier versions are similar.

Larry Eden





> On May 10, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Michael Edwards  wrote:
> 
> Hallo.
> 
> I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There are two 
> basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key signature (partially 
> or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new one, or just inserting 
> the new one.
> I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional method - 
> but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering if this is a 
> known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
> As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key signature 
> if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go from sharps to a 
> smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat signature, you cancel only 
> the flats or sharps in the old signature that won't be in the new one.  And 
> if you are going from a smaller to a larger signature of the same type, then, 
> and only then, do you have no naturals at all.
> However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the naturals 
> for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the last case I 
> mentioned where none are needed.
> To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things 
> correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to 
> suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each situation 
> that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case where it does it 
> incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing it seems to make any 
> difference.
> This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible that 
> it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed and 
> corrected.
> (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings in the 
> menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change some 
> behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal rules for 
> changing key signatures, as I described above.)
> 
> Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I possibly 
> doing something wrong that I just don't know about?
> Thank you.
> 
> Michael Edwards.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Aaron Sherber]

Can you make available a small file which demonstrates the problem? This
functionality seems to be working for me.

Aaron.





On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Michael Edwards 
wrote:

> Hallo.
>
>  I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There are
> two basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key signature
> (partially or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new one, or just
> inserting the new one.
>  I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional
> method - but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering if
> this is a known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
>  As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key
> signature if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go from
> sharps to a smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat signature,
> you cancel only the flats or sharps in the old signature that won't be in
> the new one.  And if you are going from a smaller to a larger signature of
> the same type, then, and only then, do you have no naturals at all.
>  However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the
> naturals for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the
> last case I mentioned where none are needed.
>  To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things
> correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to
> suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each situation
> that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case where it does it
> incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing it seems to make any
> difference.
>  This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible
> that it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed
> and corrected.
>  (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings in
> the menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change some
> behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal rules
> for changing key signatures, as I described above.)
>
>  Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I
> possibly doing something wrong that I just don't know about?
>  Thank you.
>
>  Michael Edwards.
>
>
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[Finale] Finale doesn't change key signatures correctly.

[Michael Edwards]

Hallo.

 I have a problem in Finale with changing key signatures.  There 
are two basic options in Finale for this - to cancel the old key 
signature (partially or entirely) with naturals before inserting the new 
one, or just inserting the new one.
 I always use the former option for this - the older, traditional 
method - but Finale usually doesn't do this correctly, and I'm wondering 
if this is a known problem and if there is anything I can do about it.
 As I'm sure most here would know, you cancel the entire old key 
signature if you go from sharps to flats or vice-versa; but if you go 
from sharps to a smaller sharp signature or flats to a smaller flat 
signature, you cancel only the flats or sharps in the old signature that 
won't be in the new one.  And if you are going from a smaller to a 
larger signature of the same type, then, and only then, do you have no 
naturals at all.
 However, most of the time, I find that Finale puts in all the 
naturals for the entire old signature regardless - sometimes even in the 
last case I mentioned where none are needed.
 To make things more complicated, it sometimes seems to do things 
correctly, which is why I just said "most of the time".  That seems to 
suggest that there are unknown, invisible circumstances in each 
situation that govern whether this problem occurs or not.  In a case 
where it does it incorrectly, though, no amount of tweaking or re-doing 
it seems to make any difference.
 This seems such an obvious problem that I would find it incredible 
that it has not, over all the years Finale has being going, been noticed 
and corrected.
 (To forestall anyone asking, yes, I have tried different settings 
in the menu item that controls key signature changes.  It does change 
some behaviour, but not in a way that is correct according to the normal 
rules for changing key signatures, as I described above.)


 Is this a known problem, and is there a remedy, please?  Or am I 
possibly doing something wrong that I just don't know about?

 Thank you.

 Michael Edwards.


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