Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
About the original subject, under my opinion, it isn't really a bug: if you imagine the situation between two different measure in different staves (last measure and first one), for G# you would see at the begin of new system a G tied to another (natural) G instead a G#. My opinion is to repeat always the alteration between altered tied notes on different measures: I do it using cautionary accidentals plug-in but it can't remove the redundant accident: this is really an annoying bug! Giovanni Doro - Original Message - From: John Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: [Finale] Accidental Bug [FinMac 2005b] There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years. When a note with an accidental is tied to the next bar and then tied again to another note in this same bar, the final note is given a redundant accidental. For example, in 4/4: whole note with accidental tied to half note tied to eighth note. I reported this to Finale some years ago and they acknowledged that it was a bug but have never fixed it. I'm so used to it that I automatically hit * in these situations to hide the unwanted accidental. Except when I forget. Sometimes they escape my proof- reading, and are I believe rather confusing for the players as well as being plain wrong. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
At 07:20 PM 7/12/05 -0700, Mark D Lew wrote: On Jul 10, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: And another one -- the bass-clef first-note speedy-entry bug. Type along from the computer keyboard and at random the first note of some measures will be way up high, as if it were displaying a treble clef. The bug's still there in 2005b. This is correlated to what keystroke in Speedy you use to enter the new frame. Some of them don't remember the clef properly. The problem is cleared as soon as you use one of the keystrokes that rechecks. I use the forward arrow as I'm touch-typing, right hand on the numeric/arrow/control blocks and left hand on the right side of the standard keyboard (starting at the 9-O-L column). I usually exit the frame to clear this bug. What keystroke rechecks? Pretty sad that the bug was never fixed. I sometimes get the impression that speedy Qwerty entry doesn't get much attention. Man, speedy is so fast for me, especially when composing. My autorepeat is set to the fastest Windows allows (never fast enough for my taste), so I know exactly how long to hold the up/down arrows to move the cursor multiple positions. (Far more annoying is the fact that the enter key does not act on the previous entry when the cursor is at the end of a frame, as just about every other Speedy key does. That would save a ton of effort in entering piano parts that have lots of chords.) Yes, I noticed that, but I tend to enter the additional notes after the basic notes/rhythms of the measure are already filled in. Maybe I got into that habit because of the behavior you mention ... it's been a long time, and speedy was my default entry method when I started with Finale in version 2.2 (I've never used simple or a Midi keyboard). Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
On Jul 10, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: And another one -- the bass-clef first-note speedy-entry bug. Type along from the computer keyboard and at random the first note of some measures will be way up high, as if it were displaying a treble clef. The bug's still there in 2005b. This is correlated to what keystroke in Speedy you use to enter the new frame. Some of them don't remember the clef properly. The problem is cleared as soon as you use one of the keystrokes that rechecks. I don't remember the exact details, but I researched it pretty thoroughly once upon a time. I probably reported about it on this List, so if that openSubscriber.com archiving is as nifty as some here say it is, maybe someone can track it down. That was at least a year ago, probably two. Pretty sad that the bug was never fixed. I sometimes get the impression that speedy Qwerty entry doesn't get much attention. (Far more annoying is the fact that the enter key does not act on the previous entry when the cursor is at the end of a frame, as just about every other Speedy key does. That would save a ton of effort in entering piano parts that have lots of chords.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:58 PM, John Bell wrote: Replying to myself: this bug doesn't always strike, but I have been unable to establish exactly what triggers it. Having experimented for the past five minutes, a surer way to elicit the bug seems to be: (in 4/4): half note rest, half note with accidental tied to half note, tied to quarter note. Trying that in Fin Mac 2k2, I don't have the problem. I can't recall having any problem with accidentals on tied notes recently. Maybe way back before v2000. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
John Bell wrote: On 11 Jul 2005, at 02:30, John Bell wrote: [FinMac 2005b] There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years. When a note with an accidental is tied to the next bar and then tied again to another note in this same bar, the final note is given a redundant accidental. For example, in 4/4: whole note with accidental tied to half note tied to eighth note. I reported this to Finale some years ago and they acknowledged that it was a bug but have never fixed it. I'm so used to it that I automatically hit * in these situations to hide the unwanted accidental. Except when I forget. Sometimes they escape my proof-reading, and are I believe rather confusing for the players as well as being plain wrong. Replying to myself: this bug doesn't always strike, but I have been unable to establish exactly what triggers it. Having experimented for the past five minutes, a surer way to elicit the bug seems to be: (in 4/4): half note rest, half note with accidental tied to half note, tied to quarter note. I just tried this in WinFin2005b and that bug doesn't appear on my computer. I wonder if it's a Mac-only bug. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Accidental Bug
[FinMac 2005b] There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years. When a note with an accidental is tied to the next bar and then tied again to another note in this same bar, the final note is given a redundant accidental. For example, in 4/4: whole note with accidental tied to half note tied to eighth note. I reported this to Finale some years ago and they acknowledged that it was a bug but have never fixed it. I'm so used to it that I automatically hit * in these situations to hide the unwanted accidental. Except when I forget. Sometimes they escape my proof- reading, and are I believe rather confusing for the players as well as being plain wrong. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
On 11 Jul 2005, at 02:30, John Bell wrote:[FinMac 2005b]There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years. When a note with an accidental is tied to the next bar and then tied again to another note in this same bar, the final note is given a redundant accidental. For example, in 4/4: whole note with accidental tied to half note tied to eighth note.I reported this to Finale some years ago and they acknowledged that it was a bug but have never fixed it. I'm so used to it that I automatically hit * in these situations to hide the unwanted accidental. Except when I forget. Sometimes they escape my proof-reading, and are I believe rather confusing for the players as well as being plain wrong.Replying to myself: this bug doesn't always strike, but I have been unable to establish exactly what triggers it. Having experimented for the past five minutes, a surer way to elicit the bug seems to be:(in 4/4): half note rest, half note with accidental tied to half note, tied to quarter note.John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
At 02:30 AM 7/11/05 +0100, John Bell wrote: There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years. And another one -- the bass-clef first-note speedy-entry bug. Type along from the computer keyboard and at random the first note of some measures will be way up high, as if it were displaying a treble clef. The bug's still there in 2005b. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
On Jul 10, 2005, at 9:58 PM, John Bell wrote: On 11 Jul 2005, at 02:30, John Bell wrote: [FinMac 2005b] There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years. When a note with an accidental is tied to the next bar and then tied again to another note in this same bar, the final note is given a redundant accidental. For example, in 4/4: whole note with accidental tied to half note tied to eighth note. I reported this to Finale some years ago and they acknowledged that it was a bug but have never fixed it. I'm so used to it that I automatically hit * in these situations to hide the unwanted accidental. Except when I forget. Sometimes they escape my proof-reading, and are I believe rather confusing for the players as well as being plain wrong. Replying to myself: this bug doesn't always strike, but I have been unable to establish exactly what triggers it. Having experimented for the past five minutes, a surer way to elicit the bug seems to be: (in 4/4): half note rest, half note with accidental tied to half note, tied to quarter note. \ Wow! Same version of Finale, I can't believe I've never noticed this before! Yet sure enough, there it is. Very consistent, too. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug
On 11 Jul 2005, at 03:17, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:And another one -- the bass-clef first-note speedy-entry bug. Type along from the computer keyboard and at random the first note of some measures will be way up high, as if it were displaying a treble clef. The bug's still there in 2005b. Yes I've encountered that too, but it seems to rectify itself eventually without any intervention, whereas my bug doesn't.John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
