Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Robert Patterson]

In fairness, Davidd, the problems with the print dialog do not affect the
printed output quality. Thankfully, the printed output is as good as ever.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:45 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 8/22/2016 10:36 PM, Mark Adler wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > I'm sorry you are disappointed with the new Finale. We are aware of the
> > printing issues are are working to fix them.
> >
> [snip]
>
> Thank you for responding on-list, Mark.
>
> What sort of timetable can the early adopters of Finale25 expect for the
> repair of the printing issues?
>
> Nobody should spend $149 on an upgrade only to learn that they have to
> revert to an earlier version of the product simply to get acceptable
> printed output.  Imagine some kid heading off to college, buying the
> academic version, running into this problem.  How would a first-time
> user overcome the problem, not having an earlier version to print from?
> Worse yet, imagine someone who is tempted by the cross-grade offer and
> makes the purchase to begin to explore Finale.  How will that person
> cope with the printing issues?
>
> What if a person is making a large jump from a much older version, for
> example, Finale2010, to Finale25?  How would they handle the printing
> problem, since the file formats are incompatible?  Yes, they could save
> the file in an earlier version's format, but how much of the new,
> improved Finale25 file will be lost in such a conversion?  And how far
> back does the new version's "save in [earlier version format]"
> capability go?
>
> After a two year wait people should be saying "Wow, this is fantastic!
> Everybody should upgrade!"  Instead people are saying "Hold on, wait,
> there are serious flaws in this new version."  And I haven't read any
> messages which have said "This new version has XYZ which is so much
> better than earlier versions."
>
> Even the completely 64-bit aspect hasn't particularly thrilled anybody,
> at least not in this group.
>
> And finally, can you explain why long-time Finale users (I've been with
> the program since version 3.5, only skipping a single upgrade until now)
> have to pay the same as people who have never supported Finale in the
> past but instead have supported competing software?  Where is the
> corporate loyalty to the faithful customers?  I realize the company
> needs to expand their customer base, so making an appealing cross-grade
> offer is important.  But you also need to keep your long-time customer
> base happy and not giving us a deeper discount ($99?) instead of making
> us pay the same as users of Sibelius or Notion or Forte or whatever
> certainly isn't making any of us happy.
>
> Thanks for reading -- I realize you may not be able to answer my
> questions, but perhaps you could pass them along to whomever in the
> corporation sets the pricing and the scheduling of interim updates.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/22/2016 10:36 PM, Mark Adler wrote:
[snip]
>
> I'm sorry you are disappointed with the new Finale. We are aware of the
> printing issues are are working to fix them.
>
[snip]

Thank you for responding on-list, Mark.

What sort of timetable can the early adopters of Finale25 expect for the 
repair of the printing issues?

Nobody should spend $149 on an upgrade only to learn that they have to 
revert to an earlier version of the product simply to get acceptable 
printed output.  Imagine some kid heading off to college, buying the 
academic version, running into this problem.  How would a first-time 
user overcome the problem, not having an earlier version to print from? 
Worse yet, imagine someone who is tempted by the cross-grade offer and 
makes the purchase to begin to explore Finale.  How will that person 
cope with the printing issues?

What if a person is making a large jump from a much older version, for 
example, Finale2010, to Finale25?  How would they handle the printing 
problem, since the file formats are incompatible?  Yes, they could save 
the file in an earlier version's format, but how much of the new, 
improved Finale25 file will be lost in such a conversion?  And how far 
back does the new version's "save in [earlier version format]" 
capability go?

After a two year wait people should be saying "Wow, this is fantastic! 
Everybody should upgrade!"  Instead people are saying "Hold on, wait, 
there are serious flaws in this new version."  And I haven't read any 
messages which have said "This new version has XYZ which is so much 
better than earlier versions."

Even the completely 64-bit aspect hasn't particularly thrilled anybody, 
at least not in this group.

And finally, can you explain why long-time Finale users (I've been with 
the program since version 3.5, only skipping a single upgrade until now) 
have to pay the same as people who have never supported Finale in the 
past but instead have supported competing software?  Where is the 
corporate loyalty to the faithful customers?  I realize the company 
needs to expand their customer base, so making an appealing cross-grade 
offer is important.  But you also need to keep your long-time customer 
base happy and not giving us a deeper discount ($99?) instead of making 
us pay the same as users of Sibelius or Notion or Forte or whatever 
certainly isn't making any of us happy.

Thanks for reading -- I realize you may not be able to answer my 
questions, but perhaps you could pass them along to whomever in the 
corporation sets the pricing and the scheduling of interim updates.


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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Mark Adler]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for reaching out with your requests.  I and others at MakeMusic
subscribe to this list and have been following the thread. I subscribe in
digest form and read every update.

I'm sorry you are disappointed with the new Finale. We are aware of the
printing issues are are working to fix them.

We are also aware of the the desire for more customizable pallets, both in
size and color and, while not on the roadmap for the immediate future
(v25.1 or v25.2), we are certainly discussing ways that this can be
achieved.

Part of my job is to prioritize bug fixes and features given available
resources. While I'd love to fix every bug and issue submitted, for this
release, other issues took precedence over developing smarter tuplet
bracket hooks.

Best,

Mark Adler


*Mark F. Adler*

Notation Product Manager/Sr. Editor



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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Chuck Israels 
wrote:

> Hah!  Jef, no you haven’t, but I do appreciate that there may be some
> deserved sarcasm in your message.
>
> I have been a Finale user since v 1.0 (it cost something like $1000 when
> it was first released, if I remember correctly, and that probably
> translates into quite a bit more in today’s dollars).  I have gotten to
> know a few of the Coda Music people, then MM people over the years -
> sometimes at conventions where they were demonstrating Finale, sometimes
> through correspondence, and always found them to be friendly and committed
> to making something that is such a help to me in my work that I have been
> forgiving of what are sometimes obvious shortcomings.  And I have been
> optimistic in assuming that the goals of the company have not been so
> different from mine that my input would fail to be heard and taken into
> account.
>
> I have accepted the financially driven orientation towards what I consider
> to be lowest common denominator educational use, even understanding that
> this might be pulling attention and resources away from elements that are
> essential to me.  (Like most on this list, I have no use for many of the
> superficial school-y stuff.)
>
> Another thing that keeps me faithful, and perhaps blindly optimistic, is
> that I just do not want to learn a new piece of complex software.  I have
> acquired a little sense of how Finale works “under the hood” - enough so
> that I can usually beat it into submission when I have something to do that
> Finale is reluctant to do in a straightforward fashion.  Sibelius doesn’t
> seem to be better to me - (I could be wrong - don’t really know), and I
> don’t want to spend weeks learning new working methods in order to find
> out.  Spreadbury’s promised new software will not include chord symbols,
> and it will present the sam obstacle of learning new methods of controlling
> it.  At this point, not an attractive alternative to me.
>
> Now - after considerable fanfare and what seems to me to have been a long
> wait, I am underwhelmed by some things in this release.  And the printing
> screw up seems inexcusable.  Of course, there are workarounds, the easiest
> of which may be to print from 2014.5.  But to release a long awaited new
> version with a blatant flaw in an essential element of the workflow is
> certainly, at the very least, sloppy.  Where were the beta testers?
>
> Of course, there are some obvious improvements in the new version.  For
> those of us, like me, who do not hear written music flawlessly in our
> imagination, improved playback is helpful.  And I imagine that speed
> improvements may prove to be good.  However - some other things for which
> there has been a substantial volume of support have been ignored for
> several years.  MM admits that there have been many requests for the
> restoration of the old, colorful, configurable tool pallets - perhaps
> overly large for laptop users and relegated to the category of eye candy to
> others, but a useful visual aid for anyone with less than 20/20 vision.
>
> Like many others, I have requests that seem reasonable to me that continue
> to go unanswered.  Mark Adler (always courteous and responsive) told me
> that, though he understood and agreed with me about how Finale is
> misdirected in how it handles the default spacing of tuplets with brackets,
> and that he also understood how it could be fixed, that there was not time
> to include it in this long waited and expensive release.  That is a
> disappointment.  (If your bracket hooks are larger than 12 evpus - a half
> space, then outside of staff vertical placement is inconsistent.  I prefer
> .75 space hooks, but I must now choose between hooks that look small to me
> or constant fussing with the vertical placement of some tuplets where
> Finale places the bracket correctly but misaligns the number relative to
> the bracket, if the hooks are more than a half space long.)
>
> So, perhaps not so optimistic at the moment.  I will send this to Mark
> t

Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[SN jef chippewa]

that is an OS trick, otherwise known in finale as a "workaround"

>There is a little trick it took me a long time to discover, that in 
>a mac print dialogue (save as pdf) where there is a prompt for the 
>file name you can click on any file name in the active window, even 
>if it is greyed out, and it auto-inserts the name of the file you've 
>clicked on - sometimes can save a little time and is more accurate 
>that re-typing.

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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Chuck Israels]

Hah!  Jef, no you haven’t, but I do appreciate that there may be some deserved 
sarcasm in your message.

I have been a Finale user since v 1.0 (it cost something like $1000 when it was 
first released, if I remember correctly, and that probably translates into 
quite a bit more in today’s dollars).  I have gotten to know a few of the Coda 
Music people, then MM people over the years - sometimes at conventions where 
they were demonstrating Finale, sometimes through correspondence, and always 
found them to be friendly and committed to making something that is such a help 
to me in my work that I have been forgiving of what are sometimes obvious 
shortcomings.  And I have been optimistic in assuming that the goals of the 
company have not been so different from mine that my input would fail to be 
heard and taken into account.

I have accepted the financially driven orientation towards what I consider to 
be lowest common denominator educational use, even understanding that this 
might be pulling attention and resources away from elements that are essential 
to me.  (Like most on this list, I have no use for many of the superficial 
school-y stuff.)

Another thing that keeps me faithful, and perhaps blindly optimistic, is that I 
just do not want to learn a new piece of complex software.  I have acquired a 
little sense of how Finale works “under the hood” - enough so that I can 
usually beat it into submission when I have something to do that Finale is 
reluctant to do in a straightforward fashion.  Sibelius doesn’t seem to be 
better to me - (I could be wrong - don’t really know), and I don’t want to 
spend weeks learning new working methods in order to find out.  Spreadbury’s 
promised new software will not include chord symbols, and it will present the 
sam obstacle of learning new methods of controlling it.  At this point, not an 
attractive alternative to me.

Now - after considerable fanfare and what seems to me to have been a long wait, 
I am underwhelmed by some things in this release.  And the printing screw up 
seems inexcusable.  Of course, there are workarounds, the easiest of which may 
be to print from 2014.5.  But to release a long awaited new version with a 
blatant flaw in an essential element of the workflow is certainly, at the very 
least, sloppy.  Where were the beta testers?

Of course, there are some obvious improvements in the new version.  For those 
of us, like me, who do not hear written music flawlessly in our imagination, 
improved playback is helpful.  And I imagine that speed improvements may prove 
to be good.  However - some other things for which there has been a substantial 
volume of support have been ignored for several years.  MM admits that there 
have been many requests for the restoration of the old, colorful, configurable 
tool pallets - perhaps overly large for laptop users and relegated to the 
category of eye candy to others, but a useful visual aid for anyone with less 
than 20/20 vision.  

Like many others, I have requests that seem reasonable to me that continue to 
go unanswered.  Mark Adler (always courteous and responsive) told me that, 
though he understood and agreed with me about how Finale is misdirected in how 
it handles the default spacing of tuplets with brackets, and that he also 
understood how it could be fixed, that there was not time to include it in this 
long waited and expensive release.  That is a disappointment.  (If your bracket 
hooks are larger than 12 evpus - a half space, then outside of staff vertical 
placement is inconsistent.  I prefer .75 space hooks, but I must now choose 
between hooks that look small to me or constant fussing with the vertical 
placement of some tuplets where Finale places the bracket correctly but 
misaligns the number relative to the bracket, if the hooks are more than a half 
space long.)

So, perhaps not so optimistic at the moment.  I will send this to Mark too, and 
while not naive, I do hope it has some salutary effect.

Chuck


> On Aug 22, 2016, at 12:14 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> chuck, have i ever told you how much i admire your optimism?
> 
>> ... this is a glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let 
>> them know how damaging this is.
> 
> -- 
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> [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC
> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html
> 
> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Robert Patterson]

I hope you will forward the extracted parts scenario to MM. You basically
have to type every name twice: once in the print db and then again in
Finder to remove the "- Score".

FWIW: I never use voiced parts. (The lack of Special Tools support in the
parts is a deal-breaker.) What I do is link in the score every part that is
not voiced. (That is, every part that appears on the same staves in score &
part.) For the parts that are doubled-up in the score, I create a separate
copy where I break them all onto separate staves. (TGTools is great for
this.) I end up with two documents: Score.musx and
Score-DecombinedParts.mux.



On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Christopher Smith <
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> Yes, it adds “ - Score” to the name. I was reprinting parts from a
> pre-2007 project, which didn’t have linked parts.
>
> Also, I suppose you know this, that any parts with grace notes in them
> need to be extracted when they are two to a staff, because the grace notes
> don’t space correctly in voiced linked parts. That means almost all my
> woodwind parts in almost every orchestra and concert band piece, and some
> of the trumpet and horn parts. Urg again.
>
> Christopher
>
>
>
> > On Mon Aug 22, at MondayAug 22 9:24 AM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >
> > When you create the PDF for the extracted part, does it append text like
> "-
> > Score" to the name you typed?
> >
> > You are correct that foor extracted parts you are SOL. May also I ask why
> > you use them instead of linked parts?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Christopher Smith <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> That only seems to work for linked parts. Extracted parts I have to type
> >> each one separately (which is what I was doing all day yesterday! Urg.)
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon Aug 22, at MondayAug 22 8:59 AM, Robert Patterson <
> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If it's any consolation, if you pdf more than one part/score at a time
> >> you
> >>> only have to type over "Untitled" once.
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I'm using 14.5 for printing until/if this mess is resolved.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Christopher Smith <
> >>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>
>  I have been getting blank save fields when I try to save to PDF
> (instead
>  of the file name, I get “Untitled”). I have to type the title and
>  instrument in manually. Gets a bit long, especially when opening files
> >> from
>  before linked parts.
> 
>  Christopher
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sun Aug 21, at SundayAug 21 8:46 PM, Chuck Israels <
>  cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I
> was
>  missing. I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF.
> >
> > But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a
>  glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how
>  damaging this is.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size
>  error? The part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send
> >> that to
>  the printer.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels 
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog,
> then
>  select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the
> >> correct
>  selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes),
> then
>  the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as
> >> well as
>  the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong
> parer
>  sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system
> of
>  selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark
> as
>  soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and
> >> printing
>  anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed
>  score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chuck Israels
> >>> cisra...@comcast.net
> >>> (360) 201-3434
> >>>
> >>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> >>> Portland OR 97202
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Jonathan Smith]

There is a little trick it took me a long time to discover, that in a mac print 
dialogue (save as pdf) where there is a prompt for the file name you can click 
on any file name in the active window, even if it is greyed out, and it 
auto-inserts the name of the file you've clicked on - sometimes can save a 
little time and is more accurate that re-typing.

Jonathan


On 22 Aug 2016, at 15:24,   
wrote:

> That only seems to work for linked parts. Extracted parts I have to type each 
> one separately (which is what I was doing all day yesterday! Urg.)
> 
> Christopher

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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Christopher Smith]

Yes, it adds “ - Score” to the name. I was reprinting parts from a pre-2007 
project, which didn’t have linked parts.

Also, I suppose you know this, that any parts with grace notes in them need to 
be extracted when they are two to a staff, because the grace notes don’t space 
correctly in voiced linked parts. That means almost all my woodwind parts in 
almost every orchestra and concert band piece, and some of the trumpet and horn 
parts. Urg again.

Christopher



> On Mon Aug 22, at MondayAug 22 9:24 AM, Robert Patterson 
>  wrote:
> 
> When you create the PDF for the extracted part, does it append text like "-
> Score" to the name you typed?
> 
> You are correct that foor extracted parts you are SOL. May also I ask why
> you use them instead of linked parts?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> That only seems to work for linked parts. Extracted parts I have to type
>> each one separately (which is what I was doing all day yesterday! Urg.)
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon Aug 22, at MondayAug 22 8:59 AM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it's any consolation, if you pdf more than one part/score at a time
>> you
>>> only have to type over "Untitled" once.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I'm using 14.5 for printing until/if this mess is resolved.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Christopher Smith <
>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
 I have been getting blank save fields when I try to save to PDF (instead
 of the file name, I get “Untitled”). I have to type the title and
 instrument in manually. Gets a bit long, especially when opening files
>> from
 before linked parts.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 
> On Sun Aug 21, at SundayAug 21 8:46 PM, Chuck Israels <
 cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I was
 missing. I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF.
> 
> But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a
 glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how
 damaging this is.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
>> 
>> In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size
 error? The part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send
>> that to
 the printer.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels 
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then
 select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the
>> correct
 selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then
 the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as
>> well as
 the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer
 sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of
 selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as
 soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and
>> printing
 anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed
 score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck Israels
>>> cisra...@comcast.net
>>> (360) 201-3434
>>> 
>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>> Portland OR 97202
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Robert Patterson]

When you create the PDF for the extracted part, does it append text like "-
Score" to the name you typed?

You are correct that foor extracted parts you are SOL. May also I ask why
you use them instead of linked parts?


On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Christopher Smith <
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> That only seems to work for linked parts. Extracted parts I have to type
> each one separately (which is what I was doing all day yesterday! Urg.)
>
> Christopher
>
>
> > On Mon Aug 22, at MondayAug 22 8:59 AM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >
> > If it's any consolation, if you pdf more than one part/score at a time
> you
> > only have to type over "Untitled" once.
> >
> > Personally, I'm using 14.5 for printing until/if this mess is resolved.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Christopher Smith <
> > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> I have been getting blank save fields when I try to save to PDF (instead
> >> of the file name, I get “Untitled”). I have to type the title and
> >> instrument in manually. Gets a bit long, especially when opening files
> from
> >> before linked parts.
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sun Aug 21, at SundayAug 21 8:46 PM, Chuck Israels <
> >> cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I was
> >> missing. I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF.
> >>>
> >>> But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a
> >> glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how
> >> damaging this is.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
> 
>  In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size
> >> error? The part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send
> that to
> >> the printer.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels 
> >> wrote:
> >
> > I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then
> >> select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the
> correct
> >> selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then
> >> the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as
> well as
> >> the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer
> >> sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of
> >> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as
> >> soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and
> printing
> >> anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed
> >> score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Israels
> > cisra...@comcast.net
> > (360) 201-3434
> >
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Christopher Smith]

That only seems to work for linked parts. Extracted parts I have to type each 
one separately (which is what I was doing all day yesterday! Urg.)

Christopher


> On Mon Aug 22, at MondayAug 22 8:59 AM, Robert Patterson 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it's any consolation, if you pdf more than one part/score at a time you
> only have to type over "Untitled" once.
> 
> Personally, I'm using 14.5 for printing until/if this mess is resolved.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I have been getting blank save fields when I try to save to PDF (instead
>> of the file name, I get “Untitled”). I have to type the title and
>> instrument in manually. Gets a bit long, especially when opening files from
>> before linked parts.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun Aug 21, at SundayAug 21 8:46 PM, Chuck Israels <
>> cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I was
>> missing. I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF.
>>> 
>>> But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a
>> glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how
>> damaging this is.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
 
 In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size
>> error? The part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send that to
>> the printer.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels 
>> wrote:
> 
> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then
>> select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct
>> selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then
>> the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as
>> the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer
>> sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of
>> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as
>> soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and printing
>> anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed
>> score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net
> (360) 201-3434
> 
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> Portland OR 97202
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Robert Patterson]

If it's any consolation, if you pdf more than one part/score at a time you
only have to type over "Untitled" once.

Personally, I'm using 14.5 for printing until/if this mess is resolved.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Christopher Smith <
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> I have been getting blank save fields when I try to save to PDF (instead
> of the file name, I get “Untitled”). I have to type the title and
> instrument in manually. Gets a bit long, especially when opening files from
> before linked parts.
>
> Christopher
>
>
>
> > On Sun Aug 21, at SundayAug 21 8:46 PM, Chuck Israels <
> cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I was
> missing. I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF.
> >
> > But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a
> glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how
> damaging this is.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
> >>
> >> In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size
> error? The part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send that to
> the printer.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then
> select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct
> selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then
> the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as
> the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer
> sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of
> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as
> soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and printing
> anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed
> score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chuck Israels
> >>> cisra...@comcast.net
> >>> (360) 201-3434
> >>>
> >>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> >>> Portland OR 97202
> >>>
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/22/2016 3:14 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>
> chuck, have i ever told you how much i admire your optimism?
>
>> ... this is a glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let
>> them know how damaging this is.
>


It's probably already gotten a quick response (not a repair) -- the 
marketing department is all giving each other high-fives that so many 
people have already bought the upgrade even though it sucks!

How many years have they had to get this upgrade right and to test it 
thoroughly to be sure there aren't such huge and obvious bugs?  I sure 
hope this isn't indicative of how Finale is going to be at the hands of 
this non-musical corporation that now owns it!

I can't believe that a product would be released with such a huge and 
insurmountable bug so easy to find and in a place that people would 
likely run into it immediately -- it's as if they forgot to test the 
Print routine at all!

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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

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chuck, have i ever told you how much i admire your optimism?

>... this is a glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let 
>them know how damaging this is.

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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Christopher Smith]

I have been getting blank save fields when I try to save to PDF (instead of the 
file name, I get “Untitled”). I have to type the title and instrument in 
manually. Gets a bit long, especially when opening files from before linked 
parts.

Christopher



> On Sun Aug 21, at SundayAug 21 8:46 PM, Chuck Israels  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I was 
> missing. I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF. 
> 
> But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a glaring 
> bug and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how damaging this is. 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
>> 
>> In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size error? The 
>> part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send that to the 
>> printer. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then 
>>> select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct 
>>> selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then 
>>> the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as 
>>> the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer 
>>> sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of 
>>> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as 
>>> soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and printing 
>>> anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed 
>>> score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck Israels
>>> cisra...@comcast.net
>>> (360) 201-3434
>>> 
>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>> Portland OR 97202
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Chuck Israels]

Thanks, Ryan. Just wanted confirmation that it was not something I was missing. 
I can print from 2014.5, of course, or go through a PDF. 

But though I am generally easygoing on the Finale people, this is a glaring bug 
and should get a quick repair. I will let them know how damaging this is. 

Chuck



Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
> 
> In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size error? The 
> part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send that to the printer. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then select 
>> the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct 
>> selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then the 
>> print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as the 
>> part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer sizes 
>> (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of 
>> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as soon 
>> as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and printing anyway 
>> - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed score I 
>> don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>> Portland OR 97202
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Robert Patterson]

The new Mac print dialog is rife with problems. You are not crazy. I
recommend saving to pdf. But you'll almost certainly have to click through
page size warnings even for parts (or score) that you are haven't selected
for pdf'ing.

I hope you will report this problem to MM.


On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:

> In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size error?
> The part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send that to the
> printer.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> >
> > I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then
> select the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct
> selections are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then
> the print dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as
> the part and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer
> sizes (the score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of
> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as
> soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and printing
> anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed
> score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Israels
> > cisra...@comcast.net
> > (360) 201-3434
> >
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> > Portland OR 97202
> >
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Ryan Beard]

In the meantime, can you print to PDF and disregard the page size error? The 
part should print to PDF correctly and then you can send that to the printer. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then select 
> the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct selections 
> are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then the print 
> dialog automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as the part 
> and shows the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer sizes (the 
> score paper is different from the part paper).  No system of 
> selecting/deselecting cures this, the score always gets a check mark as soon 
> as I hit “print.”  I have not tried ignoring the warning and printing anyway 
> - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper on a incorrectly printed score I don’t 
> need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this behavior?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net
> (360) 201-3434
> 
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland OR 97202
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Chuck Israels]

I open a score with 10 parts, choose "None” in the print dialog, then select 
the individual part I want to print (after making sure the correct selections 
are made in both the page setup and print dialog boxes), then the print dialog 
automatically and incorrectly selects the score as well as the part and shows 
the error dialog window that says I have wrong parer sizes (the score paper is 
different from the part paper).  No system of selecting/deselecting cures this, 
the score always gets a check mark as soon as I hit “print.”  I have not tried 
ignoring the warning and printing anyway - don’t want to waste a bunch of paper 
on a incorrectly printed score I don’t need anyway.  Can anyone confirm this 
behavior?

Thanks,

Chuck








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Portland OR 97202






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