Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Barbara Touburg]

Thanks to everyone who have taken the time to help me.
Since the chord symbols are so difficult to read, I've decided to leave 
them out. They're not needed anyway.

Thanks again!
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Haroldo Mauro]

Bb7(b9)(#11)



On 18/06/2015, at 16:16, Barbara Touburg wrote:

> On 18-6-2015 19:44, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> I’m in agreement with Darcy and Craig.  Bb7b4 is neither conventional nor 
>> does it seem to be a useful symbol.
> 
> I fully agree.
> 
>> Perhaps you could give is a description of the notes in the chord and some 
>> of the musical context, and we might be able to help find a symbol that 
>> would express your needs efficiently.
> 
> I'm trying to input this piece
> 
> 
> 
> for a friend to encourage him to play more often. The chord is on the 
> first beat in bar four.
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[John Roberts]

b9 not b4.


On 6/18/15 3:16 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:
> On 18-6-2015 19:44, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> I’m in agreement with Darcy and Craig.  Bb7b4 is neither conventional nor 
>> does it seem to be a useful symbol.
>
> I fully agree.
>
>> Perhaps you could give is a description of the notes in the chord and some 
>> of the musical context, and we might be able to help find a symbol that 
>> would express your needs efficiently.
>
> I'm trying to input this piece
>
> 
>
> for a friend to encourage him to play more often. The chord is on the
> first beat in bar four.
>
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Barbara,

The chord symbol in the music is correct Bb7b9  (absolutely normal), not Bb7b4. 
 The Cb is the b9, and the E natural is an appoggiatura - lower neighbor.  It 
doesn’t need to be accommodated in the chord symbol, but if you wanted to 
include it (unnecessarily fussy, even for my detail oriented mind), I’d write 
Bb7b9#11or Bb7b9#4.

Chuck


> On Jun 18, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
> 
> On 18-6-2015 19:44, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> I’m in agreement with Darcy and Craig.  Bb7b4 is neither conventional nor 
>> does it seem to be a useful symbol.
> 
> I fully agree.
> 
>> Perhaps you could give is a description of the notes in the chord and some 
>> of the musical context, and we might be able to help find a symbol that 
>> would express your needs efficiently.
> 
> I'm trying to input this piece
> 
> 
> 
> for a friend to encourage him to play more often. The chord is on the 
> first beat in bar four.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Barbara Touburg]

On 18-6-2015 19:03, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
> and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.

That worked. In this version of Finale it is buried one more level deeper...
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Barbara Touburg]

On 18-6-2015 19:44, Chuck Israels wrote:
> I’m in agreement with Darcy and Craig.  Bb7b4 is neither conventional nor 
> does it seem to be a useful symbol.

I fully agree.

> Perhaps you could give is a description of the notes in the chord and some of 
> the musical context, and we might be able to help find a symbol that would 
> express your needs efficiently.

I'm trying to input this piece



for a friend to encourage him to play more often. The chord is on the 
first beat in bar four.

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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Jim,

#4 or #11 is the standard way of writing this harmony. In jazz, 7(#11) chords 
often include a natural fifth, so "b5" is not accurate.

Cheers,

- DJA
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On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Williams, Jim  
wrote:

> Maybe it was supposed to be b5 or #4. b5 makes more sense to me than #4 in 
> the context of a dominant 7th chord.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:34 PM, "cr...@parmerlee.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the 
>> chord?
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bb7b4
>> From: "j...@thomastudios.com" 
>> Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> CC: 
>> 
>> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 
>> 4, and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you 
>> want.J D ThomasThomaStudios> On Jun 18, 2015, at 
>> 9:58 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:> > Hello 
>> all,> > I need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but 
>> Finale doesn't > recognise the second b character as a flat. Any 
>> advice? Thanks!> > Barbara> 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Chuck Israels]

I’m in agreement with Darcy and Craig.  Bb7b4 is neither conventional nor does 
it seem to be a useful symbol.  Perhaps you could give is a description of the 
notes in the chord and some of the musical context, and we might be able to 
help find a symbol that would express your needs efficiently.

Chuck


> On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:34 AM, cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
> 
> Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the 
> chord?
> 
>  Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bb7b4
> From: "j...@thomastudios.com" 
> Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> CC: 
> 
> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
> and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.J 
> D ThomasThomaStudios> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Barbara 
> Touburg  wrote:> > Hello all,> > I 
> need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't > 
> recognise the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!> > 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Williams, Jim]

Maybe it was supposed to be b5 or #4. b5 makes more sense to me than #4 in the 
context of a dominant 7th chord.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:34 PM, "cr...@parmerlee.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the 
> chord?
> 
>  Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bb7b4
> From: "j...@thomastudios.com" 
> Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> CC: 
> 
> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
> and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.J 
> D ThomasThomaStudios> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Barbara 
> Touburg  wrote:> > Hello all,> > I 
> need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't > 
> recognise the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!> > 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[craig]

Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the 
chord?

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Subject: Re: [Finale] Bb7b4
From: "j...@thomastudios.com" 
Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
CC: 

You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.J D 
ThomasThomaStudios> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Barbara Touburg 
 wrote:> > Hello all,> > I need to 
input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't > recognise 
the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!> > 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Darcy James Argue]

"Bb7b4" is not a standard chord symbol. A "flatted fourth" would be identical 
to a major third, which is already in the chord. 

Did you mean "Bb7#4"? If so, that would more typically be written with the 
alteration bracketed by parentheses: "Bb7(#4)".

Cheers,

- DJA
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On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:03 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

> You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
> and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.
> 
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't 
>> recognise the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!
>> 
>> Barbara
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[j...@thomastudios.com]

You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't 
> recognise the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!
> 
> Barbara
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[Finale] Bb7b4

[Barbara Touburg]

Hello all,

I need to input a Bb chord with a 7b4 chord suffix, but Finale doesn't 
recognise the second b character as a flat. Any advice? Thanks!

Barbara
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