Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
so i took darcy's advice and prepared the document in iWork's pages. quite nice. a couple of questions. i note that pages converts eps upon import and that the resulting PDF that i generate is missing some characters from my custom fonts. however using PDF images in the pages document works fine. is there anywhere to define the specific percentage of images in relation to their original? this is a key element in all graphic programmes (and even word) but i can't find it anywhere in pages. i had problems having images inline and being offset into the left margin, in the end i had to place all images as floating, whcih is a drag when i alter the text and create less or more lines of text. also i wanted to copy the german original (with the graphics) and paste for the english translation, but had to redo all the graphics for the english... boring. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, Unfortunately, Pages doesn't support this. If you need an image to be exactly 75% of its original size, you have to calculate the dimensions manually and enter them into the size boxes. It hasn't been an issue for me -- most often I know the specific dimensions I want and I don't care what the percentage reduction needed to get there might be -- but I can see how that would be a pain if you needed to reducing or enlarge a lot of images by a specific percentage. Probably your best solution in that case would be to resize them in an image editor before bringing them into Pages. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 5 Oct 2011, at 11:44 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: is there anywhere to define the specific percentage of images in relation to their original? this is a key element in all graphic programmes (and even word) but i can't find it anywhere in pages. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Darcy, Aha! Floating and In line were the salient words I needed! I was able to find them and read up on them in the help file, and sure enough, they work exactly as advertised, and then some! I can even convert one type to the other as needed if I change my mind. Thanks so much. Christopher On Sat Sep 17, at SaturdaySep 17 3:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, Pages has options to control whether images (even large, full-page images) are in-line and move with the text (in which case they *will* be pushed forward), or are attached to the page. Basically, if you want it to be in-line, make sure there's a flashing insertion point before you insert the PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 1:53 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Darcy, I've just changed over to Pages. I am still feeling my way around it, but so far love the PDF import for examples. My problem is what to do with examples that take up a whole page, or several pages. Should I import them one page at a time? They won't be pushed forward a page if I ever change the number of pages before a page of PDF music. is there a way around that? I am having trouble wrapping my head around how this is supposed to work. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
the degradation in image quality in word is remarkable, i just did what you suggested and don't think there is any way this could be better than the 1200 ppi tiffs. i generated a PDF of an image from graphic converter to PDF and printed that (to paper); inserted the PDF at 100% in a word doc and printed directly from word. the two are significantly different in quality. generating a PDF from the word doc and printing that produced the same quality (bad) as printing directly from word. seems the only way i could get higher quality would be to not use word, but some other proper graphics programme like in design or illustrator. My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 7:35 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: the degradation in image quality in word is remarkable, i just did what you suggested and don't think there is any way this could be better than the 1200 ppi tiffs. i generated a PDF of an image from graphic converter to PDF and printed that (to paper); inserted the PDF at 100% in a word doc and printed directly from word. the two are significantly different in quality. generating a PDF from the word doc and printing that produced the same quality (bad) as printing directly from word. seems the only way i could get higher quality would be to not use word, but some other proper graphics programme like in design or illustrator. My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I always print to Adobe pdf printer driver (include fonts), open in Acrobat, crop, save as EPS, import into Word. It shows as rough tif preview graphic on screen but prints fine. yes this works fantastic! and the print quality is excellent (even though the PDF i generated from finale is 150 ppi because you can't print using the acrobat driver on leopard), i thought maybe word was the prob, but it handles eps well, but PDF it handles like ass. trying again the graphic tool in finale, i exported a selection, placed in word. the image appears black on screen but prints fine from word. although the quality is slightly -- but visibly -- poorer than with the FIN-PDF-EPS-WORD approach!!! but... when generating a PDF from this word doc, the PDF shows and prints the black box... g. so i think your solution is the best i have come across, but it just seems stupid that FIN-PDF-EPS-MS gets higher quality and better functionality than FIN-EPS-MS. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
so i think your solution is the best i have come across, but it just seems stupid that FIN-PDF-EPS-MS gets higher quality and better functionality than FIN-EPS-MS. You are right, of course, but for years nothing at all worked so I am still thrilled there is a way! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 8:31 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Darcy, I've just changed over to Pages. I am still feeling my way around it, but so far love the PDF import for examples. My problem is what to do with examples that take up a whole page, or several pages. Should I import them one page at a time? They won't be pushed forward a page if I ever change the number of pages before a page of PDF music. is there a way around that? I am having trouble wrapping my head around how this is supposed to work. Christopher On Sat Sep 17, at SaturdaySep 17 12:40 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 8:31 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
ok, will look into it, am convinced to take the time now. just need to find the damn iWork installation discs. thanks, jef Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Chris, Pages has options to control whether images (even large, full-page images) are in-line and move with the text (in which case they *will* be pushed forward), or are attached to the page. Basically, if you want it to be in-line, make sure there's a flashing insertion point before you insert the PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 1:53 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Darcy, I've just changed over to Pages. I am still feeling my way around it, but so far love the PDF import for examples. My problem is what to do with examples that take up a whole page, or several pages. Should I import them one page at a time? They won't be pushed forward a page if I ever change the number of pages before a page of PDF music. is there a way around that? I am having trouble wrapping my head around how this is supposed to work. Christopher On Sat Sep 17, at SaturdaySep 17 12:40 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 8:31 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: What version of Word are you using? I remember Office 2004 for Mac being particularly bad about image quality. aha! bingo. 11.2 (2004) Anyway, Apple's Pages application will import your existing Word file (and even save in Word format, if that's important), and also allow you to place PDFs without any image degradation. ok, thanks. might look into it but i have so much time and energy invested in my word template (and work regularly with other people who use it as well) that i am really hesitant to even bother... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, You can just buy it from the App Store, or download it from Apple's website. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 17 Sep 2011, at 2:01 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: ok, will look into it, am convinced to take the time now. just need to find the damn iWork installation discs. thanks, jef Pages is a really excellent app. I use it exclusively and the Word import/export does the trick (for my purposes, at least). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
Hi Jef, My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 16 Sep 2011, at 10:25 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I always print to Adobe pdf printer driver (include fonts), open in Acrobat, crop, save as EPS, import into Word. It shows as rough tif preview graphic on screen but prints fine. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of SN jef chippewa Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 7:26 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I converted a whole cartload of existing EPS graphics (from Fin 2005) to PDF with Preview. Worked great! I don't know the answer to the Word question. I hate the durned piece of petach! (Klingon for crap!) Christopher On Fri Sep 16, at FridaySep 16 10:58 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, My suggestion is to not EPS from Finale. Instead, make a PDF, crop as needed, and insert the PDF graphics into the Word file. Or you could use a graphics program to convert the existing EPS files to PDF. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 16 Sep 2011, at 10:25 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
