Re: [Finale] FinMac2006.mp3
Hiro, It may make a difference if you have Activate GPO support set to Auto Detect (vs. Always) when using the Apply Human Playback plugin. If you want to use the GPO instruments with your exported MIDI file, I would choose Always in the Activate GPO Support menu before using the Apply Human Playback plugin. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 31 Jul 2005, at 8:58 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/31 / 08:16 PM wrote: Hiro, You need to use the Apply Human Playback plugin before exporting the MIDI file. Yes I did, even though I still don't understand why, tho. When you don't apply it and simply SaveAs to SMF, it still exports all the HP related param so I never understood why you have to apply it. I'd appreciate if you could tell what won't be exported if you don't apply it since I don't see any. I mean, I am selecting Standard within HP when I SaveAs SMF, and I compared with Apply HP to Standard, and can't see the difference. By the way I just realized what was wrong with my percussion track volume on export. Fin exports percussion track to ch10 even tho the slot number does not coincide with it since there are only 1-8. When I changed percussion instrument slot within NI FinGPO shell, it totally ignored CC7 message even though FinMac2006, with or without Apply HP Plug-in, embedded CC7 to 101 (why 101?!). I just fixed it and posted the new version. Still they doesn't sound close each other at all. Please make sure you relaunch your browser to make sure cache is dumped. This NI implementation is rather messy, and if you expect it to work as a standard MIDI device of last 30 years then a lot of things might bite you. I for one can't transfer SMF to outside of Fin2006 as usable file. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006.mp3
A-NO-NE Music wrote: [snip] Oh, before I forget, the default volume is too loud so if you don't set them all down you will get distortion. THAT one piece of information may well help all of us who didn't feel the GPO soundset was much of an improvement over the soundfonts, and may well account for the enormous volume discrepancy between GPO playback and soundfont playback for my test file. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac2006.mp3
Darcy was right. If you start with new Fin2006 doc and you learn a few tricks like Darcy showed us then using GPO is very nice. As the first time in my life, I wrote a very short piece without piano, directly entering notes to computer. I didn't know that was possible with me. It only took 1 hour for this piece. But here is the thing. The exported SMF can not be played with other host than Finale even using the same GPO sound set. Here is the comparison: Played back from FinMac2006: http://homepage.mac.com/madflute/.Music/FinMac2006.mp3 And SMF exported to DP and played back with GPO Finale Edition within DP: http://homepage.mac.com/madflute/.Music/FinMac2006MIDI_Expt.mp3 First of all, percussion was so loud I had to bring it down to 40%, and it is still loud. Mind you I used the same FinGPO within DP for comparison. Here are what I found. HP/FinGPO no longer uses CC1 so mod wheel is no longer used, but CC7 is used instead (why not CC11?!). Now KS is not really a key switch but patch change message is used. This is why Darcy was keep saying don't use KS. This is very clever since you no longer able to use other virtual sampler other than NI products since no other kind of virtual sampler can take patch change message. Nevertheless I am somewhat upset about this. Oh, before I forget, the default volume is too loud so if you don't set them all down you will get distortion. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006.mp3
Hiro, You need to use the Apply Human Playback plugin before exporting the MIDI file. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 31 Jul 2005, at 7:59 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy was right. If you start with new Fin2006 doc and you learn a few tricks like Darcy showed us then using GPO is very nice. As the first time in my life, I wrote a very short piece without piano, directly entering notes to computer. I didn't know that was possible with me. It only took 1 hour for this piece. But here is the thing. The exported SMF can not be played with other host than Finale even using the same GPO sound set. Here is the comparison: Played back from FinMac2006: http://homepage.mac.com/madflute/.Music/FinMac2006.mp3 And SMF exported to DP and played back with GPO Finale Edition within DP: http://homepage.mac.com/madflute/.Music/FinMac2006MIDI_Expt.mp3 First of all, percussion was so loud I had to bring it down to 40%, and it is still loud. Mind you I used the same FinGPO within DP for comparison. Here are what I found. HP/FinGPO no longer uses CC1 so mod wheel is no longer used, but CC7 is used instead (why not CC11?!). Now KS is not really a key switch but patch change message is used. This is why Darcy was keep saying don't use KS. This is very clever since you no longer able to use other virtual sampler other than NI products since no other kind of virtual sampler can take patch change message. Nevertheless I am somewhat upset about this. Oh, before I forget, the default volume is too loud so if you don't set them all down you will get distortion. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006.mp3
Hey, HIro ... that's really cool. And, at least, on my little iMac speakers, sounds pretty damn convincing. Dean On Jul 31, 2005, at 4:59 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy was right. If you start with new Fin2006 doc and you learn a few tricks like Darcy showed us then using GPO is very nice. As the first time in my life, I wrote a very short piece without piano, directly entering notes to computer. I didn't know that was possible with me. It only took 1 hour for this piece. But here is the thing. The exported SMF can not be played with other host than Finale even using the same GPO sound set. Here is the comparison: Played back from FinMac2006: http://homepage.mac.com/madflute/.Music/FinMac2006.mp3 And SMF exported to DP and played back with GPO Finale Edition within DP: http://homepage.mac.com/madflute/.Music/FinMac2006MIDI_Expt.mp3 First of all, percussion was so loud I had to bring it down to 40%, and it is still loud. Mind you I used the same FinGPO within DP for comparison. Here are what I found. HP/FinGPO no longer uses CC1 so mod wheel is no longer used, but CC7 is used instead (why not CC11?!). Now KS is not really a key switch but patch change message is used. This is why Darcy was keep saying don't use KS. This is very clever since you no longer able to use other virtual sampler other than NI products since no other kind of virtual sampler can take patch change message. Nevertheless I am somewhat upset about this. Oh, before I forget, the default volume is too loud so if you don't set them all down you will get distortion. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale As a newly diagnosed diabetic, self denial is now my ally, exercise my master. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006.mp3
Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/31 / 08:16 PM wrote: Hiro, You need to use the Apply Human Playback plugin before exporting the MIDI file. Yes I did, even though I still don't understand why, tho. When you don't apply it and simply SaveAs to SMF, it still exports all the HP related param so I never understood why you have to apply it. I'd appreciate if you could tell what won't be exported if you don't apply it since I don't see any. I mean, I am selecting Standard within HP when I SaveAs SMF, and I compared with Apply HP to Standard, and can't see the difference. By the way I just realized what was wrong with my percussion track volume on export. Fin exports percussion track to ch10 even tho the slot number does not coincide with it since there are only 1-8. When I changed percussion instrument slot within NI FinGPO shell, it totally ignored CC7 message even though FinMac2006, with or without Apply HP Plug-in, embedded CC7 to 101 (why 101?!). I just fixed it and posted the new version. Still they doesn't sound close each other at all. Please make sure you relaunch your browser to make sure cache is dumped. This NI implementation is rather messy, and if you expect it to work as a standard MIDI device of last 30 years then a lot of things might bite you. I for one can't transfer SMF to outside of Fin2006 as usable file. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
