Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
It used to be a matter of installing files for both screen viewing and printer fonts. If support was only available to 18 point and you needed to view and print something larger, then it was extrapolated; sometimes with varying results. > On Aug 8, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > A further update. While different fonts behave differently, it appears that > any font can cause the problem if you set the font size big enough. > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:18 PM Anne Erickson wrote: >> >> You’re right- the 1983 quote is “never trust those city-named fonts” >> alluding to the old Mac system fonts. >> >>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Robert Patterson < >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: >>> >>> I actually the problem is the opposite of what you stated. I believe that >>> certain fonts see the problem whereas more mainstream fonts don't. For >>> example, neither Times nor Helvetica/Arial see the problem but New York >>> does. New York is a fairly obscure font, but it happens to be the one I >> use. >>> >>> I would not say the problem is solved. But at least the steps to >> reproduce >>> it have been refined and narrowed. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:16 PM David H. Bailey >>> wrote: >>> > On 8/7/2019 2:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I > change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. For > those on this thread who have experienced this problem, I thought you might > like to know that it depends which font you use as to whether you see >> the > problem. > I'm glad they've solved the problem, however it seems to me it's pretty poor programming when what is visible depends on the font. I can understand a character-count limit, or a line limit, but to not function properly with any font other than Times seems like somebody in the development team dropped the ball. Thanks for sharing the solution with us, Robert! -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
A further update. While different fonts behave differently, it appears that any font can cause the problem if you set the font size big enough. On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:18 PM Anne Erickson wrote: > You’re right- the 1983 quote is “never trust those city-named fonts” > alluding to the old Mac system fonts. > > > On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Robert Patterson < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > > I actually the problem is the opposite of what you stated. I believe that > > certain fonts see the problem whereas more mainstream fonts don't. For > > example, neither Times nor Helvetica/Arial see the problem but New York > > does. New York is a fairly obscure font, but it happens to be the one I > use. > > > > I would not say the problem is solved. But at least the steps to > reproduce > > it have been refined and narrowed. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:16 PM David H. Bailey > > wrote: > > > >>> On 8/7/2019 2:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >>> I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I > >>> change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. > >> For > >>> those on this thread who have experienced this problem, I thought you > >> might > >>> like to know that it depends which font you use as to whether you see > the > >>> problem. > >>> > >> > >> I'm glad they've solved the problem, however it seems to me it's pretty > >> poor programming when what is visible depends on the font. I can > >> understand a character-count limit, or a line limit, but to not function > >> properly with any font other than Times seems like somebody in the > >> development team dropped the ball. > >> > >> Thanks for sharing the solution with us, Robert! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> * > >> David H. Bailey > >> dhbaile...@comcast.net > >> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com > >> > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
You’re right- the 1983 quote is “never trust those city-named fonts” alluding to the old Mac system fonts. > On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > I actually the problem is the opposite of what you stated. I believe that > certain fonts see the problem whereas more mainstream fonts don't. For > example, neither Times nor Helvetica/Arial see the problem but New York > does. New York is a fairly obscure font, but it happens to be the one I use. > > I would not say the problem is solved. But at least the steps to reproduce > it have been refined and narrowed. > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:16 PM David H. Bailey > wrote: > >>> On 8/7/2019 2:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>> I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I >>> change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. >> For >>> those on this thread who have experienced this problem, I thought you >> might >>> like to know that it depends which font you use as to whether you see the >>> problem. >>> >> >> I'm glad they've solved the problem, however it seems to me it's pretty >> poor programming when what is visible depends on the font. I can >> understand a character-count limit, or a line limit, but to not function >> properly with any font other than Times seems like somebody in the >> development team dropped the ball. >> >> Thanks for sharing the solution with us, Robert! >> >> >> -- >> * >> David H. Bailey >> dhbaile...@comcast.net >> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
I actually the problem is the opposite of what you stated. I believe that certain fonts see the problem whereas more mainstream fonts don't. For example, neither Times nor Helvetica/Arial see the problem but New York does. New York is a fairly obscure font, but it happens to be the one I use. I would not say the problem is solved. But at least the steps to reproduce it have been refined and narrowed. On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:16 PM David H. Bailey wrote: > On 8/7/2019 2:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I > > change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. > For > > those on this thread who have experienced this problem, I thought you > might > > like to know that it depends which font you use as to whether you see the > > problem. > > > > I'm glad they've solved the problem, however it seems to me it's pretty > poor programming when what is visible depends on the font. I can > understand a character-count limit, or a line limit, but to not function > properly with any font other than Times seems like somebody in the > development team dropped the ball. > > Thanks for sharing the solution with us, Robert! > > > -- > * > David H. Bailey > dhbaile...@comcast.net > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
On 8/7/2019 2:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. For those on this thread who have experienced this problem, I thought you might like to know that it depends which font you use as to whether you see the problem. I'm glad they've solved the problem, however it seems to me it's pretty poor programming when what is visible depends on the font. I can understand a character-count limit, or a line limit, but to not function properly with any font other than Times seems like somebody in the development team dropped the ball. Thanks for sharing the solution with us, Robert! -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
On 7-8-2019 20:55, Robert Patterson wrote: I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. Now I understand why they were unable to reproduce the problem when I submitted it a year ago. They must have overruled my font setttings... (PS When I try to reply to your message, it insist on sending it to you instead of to the list. Any idea why?) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
I have been following up on this with Makemusic. It turns out that if I change the font of my Lyrics to Times then I can see the entire block. For those on this thread who have experienced this problem, I thought you might like to know that it depends which font you use as to whether you see the problem. On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 5:41 AM GERALD BERG wrote: > Sure. Instead of laying the words out as in a poem. Turn it into a > paragraph. At the very least it prevents one from bumping into the end of > the box. For me, as one who wrote his own libretto, changing words and > order and meaning is a constant battle and I have battled the box end a > fair bit. > > > GJB > > On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 12:53 PM, Barbara Touburg > wrote: > > On 6-8-2019 18:15, GERALD BERG wrote: > > Other then starting a new verse and divvy the lyric, you can try and > collapse the stanza count (lines of words). It gets to be a real pain if > you keep trying to work in the one box extended. > > Interesting. Can you explain what you mean by that? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
Sure. Instead of laying the words out as in a poem. Turn it into a paragraph. At the very least it prevents one from bumping into the end of the box. For me, as one who wrote his own libretto, changing words and order and meaning is a constant battle and I have battled the box end a fair bit. GJB On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 12:53 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote: On 6-8-2019 18:15, GERALD BERG wrote: > Other then starting a new verse and divvy the lyric, you can try and collapse > the stanza count (lines of words). It gets to be a real pain if you keep > trying to work in the one box extended. Interesting. Can you explain what you mean by that? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
On 6-8-2019 18:15, GERALD BERG wrote: Other then starting a new verse and divvy the lyric, you can try and collapse the stanza count (lines of words). It gets to be a real pain if you keep trying to work in the one box extended. Interesting. Can you explain what you mean by that? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
Other then starting a new verse and divvy the lyric, you can try and collapse the stanza count (lines of words). It gets to be a real pain if you keep trying to work in the one box extended. GJB On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 11:03:22 AM EDT, Robert Patterson wrote: I do think I hit a limit. It appears to be an artificial limit in the UI on the number of lines of text in the window. A likely number is 255, but I haven't counted them. I spread my text out on lots of lines of text (matching the how the libretto is formatted.) This is undoubtedly the problem. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:55 AM Don Hart wrote: > Haven't seen this particular thing but I always avoid putting an entire > lyric in one window. Stems from the days when lyrics corrupted more > easily/frequently, I suppose. Not a form thing, per se--I put verses, > choruses, or whatever manageable section in Finale's numbered verses just > to limit the scope of any problems that would arise. > > Have you reached some Lyric Window size limit, do you think? > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:40 AM Robert Patterson < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > wrote: > > > Has anyone encountered an issue where the Lyric Window does not show all > > the lyric text? That's what I am seeing for a particularly long lyric > text. > > (It's an opera, so lots of text.) > > > > If so, any work arounds? > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
I do think I hit a limit. It appears to be an artificial limit in the UI on the number of lines of text in the window. A likely number is 255, but I haven't counted them. I spread my text out on lots of lines of text (matching the how the libretto is formatted.) This is undoubtedly the problem. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:55 AM Don Hart wrote: > Haven't seen this particular thing but I always avoid putting an entire > lyric in one window. Stems from the days when lyrics corrupted more > easily/frequently, I suppose. Not a form thing, per se--I put verses, > choruses, or whatever manageable section in Finale's numbered verses just > to limit the scope of any problems that would arise. > > Have you reached some Lyric Window size limit, do you think? > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:40 AM Robert Patterson < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > wrote: > > > Has anyone encountered an issue where the Lyric Window does not show all > > the lyric text? That's what I am seeing for a particularly long lyric > text. > > (It's an opera, so lots of text.) > > > > If so, any work arounds? > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
Haven't seen this particular thing but I always avoid putting an entire lyric in one window. Stems from the days when lyrics corrupted more easily/frequently, I suppose. Not a form thing, per se--I put verses, choruses, or whatever manageable section in Finale's numbered verses just to limit the scope of any problems that would arise. Have you reached some Lyric Window size limit, do you think? On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:40 AM Robert Patterson wrote: > Has anyone encountered an issue where the Lyric Window does not show all > the lyric text? That's what I am seeing for a particularly long lyric text. > (It's an opera, so lots of text.) > > If so, any work arounds? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric
Has anyone encountered an issue where the Lyric Window does not show all the lyric text? That's what I am seeing for a particularly long lyric text. (It's an opera, so lots of text.) If so, any work arounds? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
