[Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? Grove concise says that the family of instruments (sopranino to contrabass) was indeed invented by a French army bandmaster, in 1856, but his name was Sarrus. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument. After the initial questions about is there really such a thing? and the literature for the instrument come the questions about general availability and players. So...when you are doing Rhapsodie Espagnole or L'Heure Espagnole where do the instruments come from and who plays them? Guy Hayden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
Many community bands have acquired such instruments or they borrow from the local large conservatory/university band. Many questions can be answered about all these instruments, and much diversion can be enjoyed, by looking at the www.contrabass.com site, where you can learn about curiosities (I don't want to say 'oddities') such as the TUBAX... Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Guy Hayden Sent: Mon 07-Mar-05 10:15 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom) All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument. After the initial questions about is there really such a thing? and the literature for the instrument come the questions about general availability and players. So...when you are doing Rhapsodie Espagnole or L'Heure Espagnole where do the instruments come from and who plays them? Guy Hayden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
At 10:15 AM -0500 3/7/05, Guy Hayden wrote: All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument. After the initial questions about is there really such a thing? and the literature for the instrument come the questions about general availability and players. There really is such an instrument family ... note, family. My understanding is that it was an attempt to apply the Boehm fingering system to the bassoon, as it had previously been applied to the (older) clarinet and the new saxophone. In the case of the oboe and bassoon the attempt was a failure, at least in terms of keeping the original tone quality while simplifying the fingering. The Heckle and Conservatory systems did result in improved oboes and bassoons. The Boehm system created the sarusaphone family. You can think of them as double-reed saxophones, with what appears to be a bore taper more similar to the saxophone than the bassoon. (And recall that Adolphe Sax's drawings show that he was working from the keyed bugle family or ophicleid family to which he added a clarinet mouthpiece.) The place I actually saw two (2) sarusaphones in the flesh (bass or maybe contrabass; I've never seen a whole family together) was in an inner city public school in Indianapolis. Whether they were actually in use, I don't know, but there were reeds with them. I'd say the general availability and players would be about the same as for oboes d'amore when you program Bach. Or lutes. No, there's an international lute society, and probably a lot more of them around than sarusaphones. Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? This is also tangential to the question of the bass oboe and the other instruments that get confused with it. So...when you are doing Rhapsodie Espagnole or L'Heure Espagnole where do the instruments come from and who plays them? Ummm, maybe try the Indianapolis Public Schools? Whadaya bet there's a Sarusaphone website someplace. (I just checked; pretty slim pickins.) John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
John Howell wrote: No, there's an international lute society, and probably a lot more of them around than sarusaphones. Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? Go to your room. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
Reminds me of what Woody Allen used to say when his children misbehaved ...Go to my room. Dean On Mar 7, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: John Howell wrote: No, there's an international lute society, and probably a lot more of them around than sarusaphones. Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? Go to your room. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale There are some people, I suspect, who would feel obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in heaven, they found everybody else there as well. Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it could peer over the celestial parapets and watch other unfortunates roasting below. Karen Armstrong Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:10:19 -0500, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarrusophone Boehm did try to mess with the bassoon and create a more 'logical' group of fingerings for the instrument which we bassoonists never accepted because of the inherent weight of his monster. Already the bassoon is heavy enough without all those extra kilos (pounds for the americans who still refuse to admit that dealing with pounds inches are infinitely more complicated than kilos and centimeters.)But this was the sarrusophone NOT. This is referred to as the Boehm System Bassoon. http://www.idrs.org/publications/dr/dR8.2/dR8_2Joli.html is a site that gives a good explanation of what the sarrusophone really is. It was also used by such people as Ravel and Berlioz (if memory serves me correctly) because the basson français didn't have near the power of the good ol' Heckel fagott, and to get the range of the bassoon with the woodwind orchestrations, the sarrusophone was sometimes employed, especially to replace the contrabassoon. Gregory an american living in paris (sometimes) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
