Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
Richard Yates wrote: The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent key or independent time signatures enabled. I only discovered it because the SmartScore scanning default leaves that box checked even if there is only one staff. It took quite a while to figure out what was going on. I can imagine your frustration with it -- sounds like a bug in SmartScore as well as in Finale. There's no need for SmartScore to set that attribute for a single staff, but if it's going to, why not have it set independent TIME signature as well? It makes as much sense as setting independent KEY signature when there's only one staff! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
> The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is > the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent > key or independent time signatures enabled. I only discovered it because the SmartScore scanning default leaves that box checked even if there is only one staff. It took quite a while to figure out what was going on. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Time Signature bug
I'm running Win2005b and also experience the same bug!! Yikes! Steve Gruver ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
It's there if you check the independent KEY signature box (not the independent time signature box) and then try to change the TIME signature. It won't change. But if you ALSO check the independent time signature box it will change. And once you have TWO staves, the time signature changes just fine. Why anybody with ONE staff would want independent key or time signatures is beyong me (what is it independent from, if it's the only staff), but ours is not to question why. Clearly this is not a devastating bug on the nature of EPS travesties, but, heck, it might be easy for them to fix and they can brag they've actually fixed reported bugs, all the while ignoring the EPS problems. The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent key or independent time signatures enabled. David H. Bailey Ron Shillingford wrote: In the time signature tool, have you clicked the options button, that expands the dialogue box and unchecked the "use different time signature for display" box? I can't reproduce the "bug" in FinWIn2005b RS On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:52:49 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then prevents the TIME signature tool from working. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
In the time signature tool, have you clicked the options button, that expands the dialogue box and unchecked the "use different time signature for display" box? I can't reproduce the "bug" in FinWIn2005b RS On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:52:49 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff > > > Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. > > > > > > With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. > > > Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key > > > Signature'. Now changing time signature works. > > > > > > Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file > it > > > has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. > > > > > > > I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature > > just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? > > I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook > was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the > instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then > prevents the TIME signature tool from working. > > Richard Yates > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
Richard Yates wrote: Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then prevents the TIME signature tool from working. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale That was my mistake, I misread your message as well -- the same thing happens in WinFin2005b. The time signature won't change. However, if you ALSO check "Independent Time Signature" in addition to "Independent Key Signature" you can change the time signature. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
My apologies Richard. I think I read your post too hurriedly before trying it and must have clicked the wrong "independent" box. I do indeed replicate your bug. Finale 2005b for Mac. John Roberts On 3/27/05 8:38 PM, "Richard Yates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to > Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm > this one? > > Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff > Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. > > With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. > Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key > Signature'. Now changing time signature works. > > Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it > has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. > > Richard Yates > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
On 3/27/05 8:38 PM, "Richard Yates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to > Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm > this one? > > Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff > Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. > > With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. > Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key > Signature'. Now changing time signature works. > > Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it > has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. > > Richard Yates > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
> > Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff > > Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. > > > > With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. > > Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key > > Signature'. Now changing time signature works. > > > > Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it > > has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. > > > > I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature > just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then prevents the TIME signature tool from working. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
Richard Yates wrote: After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm this one? Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. I just tried it (WinFin2005b) and was able to change the time signature just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
Yes: with FinMac 2005 I followed your steps and got the same result, both with a new file without libraries and with a copy of the default file. I also tried changing to different time signatures (6/8, 3/2, composite...), in several measures or only one measure, with the same result. As far as I can tell, the bug has no serious consequences, since there is no need to have Independent Key Signature checked for a single staff score. But it's worrying all the same. And other weird things happen. Try these steps: - New Document Without Libraries: time signature is 'C' - Add 5 measures (makes 2 systems) - Fill measures 4 to 6 with 12 quarter notes - Use Staff Attributes to set independent key signature (please note: KEY signature, not time signature!) - Change to Time Signature tool, double-click on the first measure and change the time signature to 3/4 (or any other, as far as I can make out) - When I have finished these steps, the time signature is still 'C' but the music I entered in measures 4 to 6 has moved to measures 1 to 3 Note that the bug does not appear if independent TIME signature is also checked. Best wishes, Michael Cook On 28 Mar, 2005, at 3:38, Richard Yates wrote: After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm this one? Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
No problem here in FinMac 2005 (I have other problems, but let's leave that one alone for now) John Roberts On 3/27/05 8:38 PM, "Richard Yates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to > Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm > this one? > > Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff > Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. > > With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. > Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key > Signature'. Now changing time signature works. > > Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it > has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. > > Richard Yates > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Richard Yates wrote: > After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to > Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm > this one? I followed your steps to recreate the bug. I tried it with the default document and a document without libraries. It happily changed to 3/4, 5/4, 3/8, etc. Thus, I was unable to recreated the bug. I'm using Windows Finale 2005b. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Time Signature bug
After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm this one? Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. With the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key Signature'. Now changing time signature works. Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
