Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 Chris Bell wrote: > As a pianist/keyboardist I would feel confused by both of them. > 1 I don't like the broken 16ths I agree. Anything that makes the rhythm more difficult to grasp is undesirable. (I hate the old style vocal scores that divide beams according to text syllables, and this is very much the same sort of thing.) > 2 I really don't like being told which hand to use, if you really > need to put any indication in I would go for fingering . . . but then > again . . IMO 2 without any indication of which hand does what or any suggested fingering is the best way to go. That gives the player a clean sheet on which to decide their own preferences and work to their own strengths. Allowing the line to flow from one staff to the other is visually clear. Patsy Moore Teaching accompanist ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
This morning I played Bach's "Toccata and Fugue in D minor" for postlude. I do not play this more than once a year so I read it from the score. I was very glad that the editors at Edition Peters chose to divide the beams to reflect the division of the hands. The notes go past much too quickly to read fingerings or hand indications. I mention this to reaffirm my vote for version No. 1. Guy Hayden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
As a pianist/keyboardist I would feel confused by both of them. 1 I don't like the broken 16ths 2 I really don't like being told which hand to use, if you really need to put any insication in I would go for fingering . . . but then again . . / Cb On May 29, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ray Horton wrote: This bad keyboardist votes for #1. #2 is difficult to decipher without repeated looks. RBH On May 28, 2010, at 7:47 AM, dc wrote: I didn't get many (or any) replies to my first message on this subject, so I thought I'd try again with an example to make my question clear. This is a question mainly for keyboard players. Which of these two notations do you prefer? www.collins.lautre.net/files/hands.jpg 1 makes the hands more apparent, but 2 makes the beats clearer, of course. Amusingly, the preface to these pieces says that the composer has made things easier by using 1, though in the music itself he generally uses 2. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- The market should accommodate art, but art should not accommodate the market. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
This bad keyboardist votes for #1. #2 is difficult to decipher without repeated looks. RBH On May 28, 2010, at 7:47 AM, dc wrote: I didn't get many (or any) replies to my first message on this subject, so I thought I'd try again with an example to make my question clear. This is a question mainly for keyboard players. Which of these two notations do you prefer? www.collins.lautre.net/files/hands.jpg 1 makes the hands more apparent, but 2 makes the beats clearer, of course. Amusingly, the preface to these pieces says that the composer has made things easier by using 1, though in the music itself he generally uses 2. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
Having never seen any other example of your 2nd notation, No. 1 looks like most of the keyboard literature I have. Looks normal to me and easy to understand, especially with only one voice part. Sometimes, with 4 or 5 voices, it gets problematic and a "r.h." or "l.h." may be added , and then its whatever works for the player. t On May 28, 2010, at 7:47 AM, dc wrote: I didn't get many (or any) replies to my first message on this subject, so I thought I'd try again with an example to make my question clear. This is a question mainly for keyboard players. Which of these two notations do you prefer? www.collins.lautre.net/files/hands.jpg 1 makes the hands more apparent, but 2 makes the beats clearer, of course. Amusingly, the preface to these pieces says that the composer has made things easier by using 1, though in the music itself he generally uses 2. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale timothy.key.price timothy.key.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
I prefer the 2nd example because the flagged 16ths in the 1st complicate the rhythm reading (for me) ASIDE: The periods on the abbreviations aren't necessary IMO -Cecil - Original Message - From: "dc" Which of these two notations do you prefer? www.collins.lautre.net/files/hands.jpg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
dc wrote: I didn't get many (or any) replies to my first message on this subject, so I thought I'd try again with an example to make my question clear. Who is the expected audience? If expect the typical purchaser / player to be a sophisticated interpreter, the upper example might be sufficient; if the audience is a bit less sophisticated, you might want to use the lower one. Besides that, the lower one does have the disadvantage of being slightly less universal, since while "L" and "R" work in English and German speaking countries, they work less well in French and Italian, and Spanish, where "L" and "R" have no connection at all with the words in those languages which mean "left" and "right". ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
I much prefer No. 1. No. 2 is awkward to read and understand. Less is more. The beaming in both examples shows the beat. No. 1 does not obscure the text whereas the right/left indications in No.2 only interfere. Guy Hayden -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dc Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:48 AM To: finale-shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music I didn't get many (or any) replies to my first message on this subject, so I thought I'd try again with an example to make my question clear. This is a question mainly for keyboard players. Which of these two notations do you prefer? www.collins.lautre.net/files/hands.jpg 1 makes the hands more apparent, but 2 makes the beats clearer, of course. Amusingly, the preface to these pieces says that the composer has made things easier by using 1, though in the music itself he generally uses 2. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
