[Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
perhaps related to something i did when setting up the doc... there are 3 renegade staves that don't appear in the score manager anywhere but appear on one page at the top of the score. when i 2-click on one of them, the piccolo Staff Attributes pop up and then when i click on the instrument list to choose something other than the piccolo, they (violin, violin, cello) don't appear: http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/renegade_staves.pdf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
Hi Jef - Is it possible you are viewing an old staff set? On Jun 22, 2012, at 11:40 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: perhaps related to something i did when setting up the doc... there are 3 renegade staves that don't appear in the score manager anywhere but appear on one page at the top of the score. when i 2-click on one of them, the piccolo Staff Attributes pop up and then when i click on the instrument list to choose something other than the piccolo, they (violin, violin, cello) don't appear: http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/renegade_staves.pdf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
thanks, but nope, that was in score view. but in any case, even if i was, it still shouldn't appear, because it doesn't exists (yikes!) Is it possible you are viewing an old staff set? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
On Fri, June 22, 2012 1:43 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote: thanks, but nope, that was in score view. but in any case, even if i was, it still shouldn't appear, because it doesn't exists (yikes!) I had this happen recently (in FinWin 2011). The renegade staff was somehow married to another staff in such a way that I couldn't delete the renegade staff or the staff it was attached to would also disappear. I never could figure why the pair existed or how to get rid of the renegade, but I could hide it. Never liked that solution, though. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
i seem to be able to select the entire system (all measures, all instruments), hide empty staves, then show empty staves and all *seems* right... but i haven't done this permanently on the file yet (waiting to hear from support). are you able to hide/show and have it disappear? I had this happen recently (in FinWin 2011). The renegade staff was somehow married to another staff in such a way that I couldn't delete the renegade staff or the staff it was attached to would also disappear. I never could figure why the pair existed or how to get rid of the renegade, but I could hide it. Never liked that solution, though. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
On Fri, June 22, 2012 2:59 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote: i seem to be able to select the entire system (all measures, all instruments), hide empty staves, then show empty staves and all *seems* right... but i haven't done this permanently on the file yet (waiting to hear from support). are you able to hide/show and have it disappear? Not go away for good. Show brought it back with the same behavior. Entering notes on the renegade staff via Speedy put them on the *other* staff. It was bizarre, the job was far along, so I just left it that way and hoped it wouldn't crash and burn later. D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
Am I correct in assuming that you checked the score manager? That thing sometimes shows things that you aren't accessible otherwise. mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of thanks, but nope, that was in score view. but in any case, even if i was, it still shouldn't appear, because it doesn't exists (yikes!) Is it possible you are viewing an old staff set? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
yes, the staves in question don't appear in the score manager. score manager looks totally clean. i can only assume they somehow left traces as i was setting up the score. and can only hope they don't cause problems later... Am I correct in assuming that you checked the score manager? That thing sometimes shows things that you aren't accessible otherwise. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
i found some i can't even hide, even though i selected all measures in the system and cleared them. it does seem to be linked to the system in question: P2 and P4 look normal, P3 has 3 renegades; i moved the last measure of S3 up to the previous page, P2 and P4 sitll look fine, P3 (now containing P4's previous measures) still shows renegades. also note that hiding empty staves (by selecting entire system) and showing empty staves can screw up the staff groups?! -- ah, dennis, try showing all, then reset groups / brackets (utilities menu) and hide again, does this work? i just managed to lose some renagades that were persistent. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
i think the solution was to select all (whole document), show empty staves, reset brackets, then click on a single renegade stave and select hide empty stave (should do it for only that system), then select a real staff and show empty. selecting a renegade and pulling up context menu for delete staves and reposition also works, but this really shouldn't have been necessary at all... does it work for you? i'm not sure how you were deleting when it didn't work. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
On 2012-06-22 18:40, SN jef chippewa wrote: perhaps related to something i did when setting up the doc... there are 3 renegade staves that don't appear in the score manager anywhere but appear on one page at the top of the score. when i 2-click on one of them, the piccolo Staff Attributes pop up and then when i click on the instrument list to choose something other than the piccolo, they (violin, violin, cello) don't appear: http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/renegade_staves.pdf Are you sure it's not an instrument change of an existing staff? It sure sounds like it. But then you should see the instrument change when you expand the original instrument in the Score Manager. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] renegade staves i can't get rid of
On Fri, June 22, 2012 4:29 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote: ah, dennis, try showing all, then reset groups / brackets (utilities menu) and hide again, does this work? i just managed to lose some renagades that were persistent. Everything's archived now, and I don't know where the renegade was. If I have to open that score again, I'll check. I'm still not using some of the tools, though. I've never used or even looked at the staff manager in Finale or in (I think) TGTools. D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
