Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
On 7/4/2012 2:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Really? They'd go from their paid former jobs to go work on a FREE piece of software….. That is fantasy. Avid is keeping Sibelius though…..so I doubt they would let key programmers go for it. Well, yeah, it's a fantasy -- all the stuff we're discussing about this is fantasy. If they close their British offices the employees there will have a choice -- move to the U.S. (if the offer of continued employment is made) or find other work. If I had spent many years building a great piece of software and then didn't want to leave my native country because some backwards-thinking corporate shirts didn't want to maintain an office in my native country any more, I might consider putting my talents to work for free (while also finding other employment, it is to be hoped, but in today's economy that might be tough) to better a program that would drive my former competitor to its knees. But even if Avid is keeping Sibelius (which seems to be happening) what's to happen to the programmers who choose not to uproot their families and leave their native country? I would hope that they could telecommute, although without an office to work from, it might be harder to work as a team. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
Avid aren't moving the Sibelius jobs to the US. They are moving the jobs to Eastern Europe. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 5 Jul 2012, at 5:31 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 7/4/2012 2:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Really? They'd go from their paid former jobs to go work on a FREE piece of software….. That is fantasy. Avid is keeping Sibelius though…..so I doubt they would let key programmers go for it. Well, yeah, it's a fantasy -- all the stuff we're discussing about this is fantasy. If they close their British offices the employees there will have a choice -- move to the U.S. (if the offer of continued employment is made) or find other work. If I had spent many years building a great piece of software and then didn't want to leave my native country because some backwards-thinking corporate shirts didn't want to maintain an office in my native country any more, I might consider putting my talents to work for free (while also finding other employment, it is to be hoped, but in today's economy that might be tough) to better a program that would drive my former competitor to its knees. But even if Avid is keeping Sibelius (which seems to be happening) what's to happen to the programmers who choose not to uproot their families and leave their native country? I would hope that they could telecommute, although without an office to work from, it might be harder to work as a team. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
lots of inconsistent information but something to keep an eye / ear on... Jul 3 2012 Sibelius Will Stay with Avid, But Sources Report Principle Sibelius Office to Close http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/07/sibelius-will-stay-with-avid-notation-remains-strategic ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
On 2012-07-04 14:21, SN jef chippewa wrote: lots of inconsistent information but something to keep an eye / ear on... The main UK office (the original Sibelius office) is going to be closed by AVID, that was confirmed yesterday by Daniel Spreadbury. Unclear what's going to happen with all the staff at the UK office at this point. Although I was seeing something like this might happen, this was much more drastic than I could imagine. Finale needs competitors! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
Hi Jari, Yes, I saw that the UK office is closing, which I'm guessing means that virtually none of the current staff will be retained. I feel especially bad for Daniel Spreadbury, who was exceptionally diligent, accessible, hard-working, and a great ambassador for the product. Needless to say, despite the fact that Avid will retain ownership, moves like this don't do a lot to instill confidence in the future of the software. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Jul 2012, at 9:37 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-07-04 14:21, SN jef chippewa wrote: lots of inconsistent information but something to keep an eye / ear on... The main UK office (the original Sibelius office) is going to be closed by AVID, that was confirmed yesterday by Daniel Spreadbury. Unclear what's going to happen with all the staff at the UK office at this point. Although I was seeing something like this might happen, this was much more drastic than I could imagine. Finale needs competitors! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
One quote from an anonymous Sibelius employee: This is heartbreaking, it took us 15 years to build this business and it took Avid 15 months to wreck it.” http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/7/3/avid-to-close-uk-sibelius-office.html Remember when Avid acquired Sibelius and the prevailing wisdom was that their deep pockets would mean more development money? Seriously, this situation sounds dire, obviously for the Sibelius employees who are having their jobs outsourced, and Sibelius users whose product's future is now in very uncertain hands, but also for notation software generally. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Jul 2012, at 10:31 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jari, Yes, I saw that the UK office is closing, which I'm guessing means that virtually none of the current staff will be retained. I feel especially bad for Daniel Spreadbury, who was exceptionally diligent, accessible, hard-working, and a great ambassador for the product. Needless to say, despite the fact that Avid will retain ownership, moves like this don't do a lot to instill confidence in the future of the software. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Jul 2012, at 9:37 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-07-04 14:21, SN jef chippewa wrote: lots of inconsistent information but something to keep an eye / ear on... The main UK office (the original Sibelius office) is going to be closed by AVID, that was confirmed yesterday by Daniel Spreadbury. Unclear what's going to happen with all the staff at the UK office at this point. Although I was seeing something like this might happen, this was much more drastic than I could imagine. Finale needs competitors! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
On 7/4/2012 10:55 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: One quote from an anonymous Sibelius employee: This is heartbreaking, it took us 15 years to build this business and it took Avid 15 months to wreck it.” http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/7/3/avid-to-close-uk-sibelius-office.html Remember when Avid acquired Sibelius and the prevailing wisdom was that their deep pockets would mean more development money? Seriously, this situation sounds dire, obviously for the Sibelius employees who are having their jobs outsourced, and Sibelius users whose product's future is now in very uncertain hands, but also for notation software generally. [snip] True, but the current version works very well so if that's where the product stops, as long as operating systems allow it to run things should be good. And one can hope that if Avid is really cutting all that staff loose, perhaps they'll bring their expertise to MuseScore and raise its capabilities to a new level. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] sibelius UK office closing (?)
Really? They'd go from their paid former jobs to go work on a FREE piece of software….. That is fantasy. Avid is keeping Sibelius though…..so I doubt they would let key programmers go for it. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 10:10 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 7/4/2012 10:55 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: One quote from an anonymous Sibelius employee: This is heartbreaking, it took us 15 years to build this business and it took Avid 15 months to wreck it.” http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/7/3/avid-to-close-uk-sibelius-office.html Remember when Avid acquired Sibelius and the prevailing wisdom was that their deep pockets would mean more development money? Seriously, this situation sounds dire, obviously for the Sibelius employees who are having their jobs outsourced, and Sibelius users whose product's future is now in very uncertain hands, but also for notation software generally. [snip] True, but the current version works very well so if that's where the product stops, as long as operating systems allow it to run things should be good. And one can hope that if Avid is really cutting all that staff loose, perhaps they'll bring their expertise to MuseScore and raise its capabilities to a new level. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com (mailto:dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
