AW: [Finale] TAN: Is Bratschen Obsolete?

2009-12-17 Thread Kurt Gnos
Bratsche, that is...;-) Bratche is an americanism...;-) as is Herr
Docktor (correct: Herr Doktor)

Bratsche in german is just a synonym for viola which is italian,
actually. It is still in use, despite of all the Bratschen-Witze (viola
jokes) that are around. I read a lot of American literature, and quite a lot
of german that is misspelled (missspelled?) (I don't know, but this would
be using the new german orthographic rules...;-))) Never mind...

Just my 2 cent(imes)

Kurt

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On 16 Dec 2009, at 17:36, John Howell wrote:

 At 5:56 PM -0800 12/15/09, Ryan wrote:
 Is the term Bratschen for violas obsolete in German? Would it be  
 better to
 use Violen?

 If you like, I could ask on the OrchestraList.  Or the ViolaList.  
 I'm certainly not aware of any change from the traditional  
 terminology, which is embedded in every German-published score I've  
 ever seen, but there's no reason why I would be.

 I would think that there might be confusion between the term for  
 alto-tenor violin and that for viola da gamba if that change were  
 made, but then there's already confusion with the term viol in  
 English, which mean viola da gamba but could be taken to mean bass  
 viol (i.e. string bass or double bass or bass violin).

There's no confusion and I have seen Violen or Viola in many  
German scores. If you look at lists of musicians on web pages of  
German orchestras you'll see both Bratsche and Viola being used  
(I just checked Mannheim, where I work, and SWR Baden-Baden, who both  
use Viola, and the Berliner Philharmoniker, who use Bratche).

Michael
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Re: AW: [Finale] TAN: Is Bratschen Obsolete?

2009-12-17 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
Isn’t Bratsche Italian also, just in a Germanized spelling? The full Italian 
term is Viola da Braccio as contrasted to Viola da Gamba (arm versus leg). 

Why not go with the Swedes: altfiol?

A month ago I bought myself a bratsch (the Danish spelling) just for the fun of 
it. My repertory is very small, but then it is largely out of tune.

Klaus in DK

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Kurt Gnos kurtg...@bluewin.ch wrote:

 From: Kurt Gnos kurtg...@bluewin.ch
 Subject: AW: [Finale] TAN: Is Bratschen Obsolete?
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:54 AM
 Bratsche, that is...;-) Bratche is an
 americanism...;-) as is Herr
 Docktor (correct: Herr Doktor)
 
 Bratsche in german is just a synonym for viola which is
 italian,
 actually. It is still in use, despite of all the
 Bratschen-Witze (viola
 jokes) that are around. I read a lot of American
 literature, and quite a lot
 of german that is misspelled (missspelled?) (I don't
 know, but this would
 be using the new german orthographic rules...;-))) Never
 mind...
 
 Just my 2 cent(imes)
 
 Kurt
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: finale-boun...@shsu.edu
 [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu]
 Im Auftrag von
 Florence + Michael
 Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Dezember 2009 00:39
 An: finale@shsu.edu
 Betreff: Re: [Finale] TAN: Is Bratschen Obsolete?
 
 On 16 Dec 2009, at 17:36, John Howell wrote:
 
  At 5:56 PM -0800 12/15/09, Ryan wrote:
  Is the term Bratschen for violas obsolete in
 German? Would it be  
  better to
  use Violen?
 
  If you like, I could ask on the OrchestraList. 
 Or the ViolaList.  
  I'm certainly not aware of any change from the
 traditional  
  terminology, which is embedded in every
 German-published score I've  
  ever seen, but there's no reason why I would be.
 
  I would think that there might be confusion between
 the term for  
  alto-tenor violin and that for viola da gamba if that
 change were  
  made, but then there's already confusion with the term
 viol in  
  English, which mean viola da gamba but could be taken
 to mean bass  
  viol (i.e. string bass or double bass or bass
 violin).
 
 There's no confusion and I have seen Violen or Viola in
 many  
 German scores. If you look at lists of musicians on web
 pages of  
 German orchestras you'll see both Bratsche and Viola
 being used  
 (I just checked Mannheim, where I work, and SWR
 Baden-Baden, who both  
 use Viola, and the Berliner Philharmoniker, who use
 Bratche).
 
 Michael
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Re: AW: [Finale] TAN: Is Bratschen Obsolete?

2009-12-17 Thread SN jef chippewa



My repertory is very small, but then it is largely out of tune.


sounds like you're ready for the orchestra. HAHAHAHAHAHA.  erm... sorry.

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