RE: [Finale] beaming problem
Is your 12/8 not set up in the Time Signature dialog box as 4 dotted quarters? Also, your jpg link is broken. Richard Yates Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
Oh yeah, I know what you are talking about. I have complained about this bitterly, and the guys at MakeMusic don't even seem to understand the problem. Please, if you can make it more clear to them, do so. I never was able to come up with a procedure for switching the side that the beamlet is on without screwing everything up, so I left it. (Obviously, for publication this would not do at all!) What may work is to set an independent time signature for that staff, then change that one measure to 12/8 (that's 4 dotted quarters) while displaying as 4/4. Any ordinary eighth notes in that measure would have to be entered as a tuplet (2 8ths in the space of one dotted quarter, or 4 8ths in the space of one dotted half, depending on the beaming you want) with the bracket and number hidden. I find it strange in the extreme that Finale does this correctly in 12/8, but not in 4/4 inside a triplet. It is also strange that such a kludge is required. Why won't the Special Tools take care of this? Or maybe I just didn't find the right combination... Christopher On Thu Jan 28, at ThursdayJan 28 8:42 AM, dc wrote: Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
From the Quick Help: Special tools, select the Broken Beam Then click in the app. maes. the handle to change the broken beam direction (left or right). Hans Op 28-jan-10, om 14:42 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
On 1/28/2010 9:08 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Oh yeah, I know what you are talking about. I have complained about this bitterly, and the guys at MakeMusic don't even seem to understand the problem. I know that I reported this as long ago as 12/2003. I have a reply from them on 1/5/2004 in which they state they are aware of the problem and are looking into it; tech's name was Thierry. switching the side that the beamlet is on without screwing everything up, so I left it. (Obviously, for publication this would not do at all!) The correction is actually very simple, though time-consuming if you have many instances. You have to use the Broken Beam Tool (in Special Tools) to manually flip the beamlet to the other side. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
Richard, that is it! For some reason this didn't work the last time I tried this (the beamlet changed length), but it works perfectly in 2010! This can be copied from measure to measure as well, so if it shows up many times, Dennis can just copy the edit without the notes. Great! Christopher On Thu Jan 28, at ThursdayJan 28 9:03 AM, Richard Yates wrote: If you must use a tuplet instead of a time signature of 12/8 as four dotted wuaters, then you have to use the Broken Beam Tool to switch the sixteenth beamlet to the other side. Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
dc wrote: Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? I don't know that you're doing anything wrong, but the solution is to use the broken beam tool (part of the special tools pallete) which will move the broken beam to the proper side of the note. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
A Balkan folk-dance beat, perhaps? :) ajr I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
Hi Jane-- Put 3+3+2 (including the plus signs) into the FIRST top box. Put an 8 in the first bottom box. Leave the others blank, and change the display time signature. On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Jane Frasier wrote: I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
On 24 Nov 2008 at 21:31, Allen Fisher wrote: Put 3+3+2 (including the plus signs) into the FIRST top box. Put an 8 in the first bottom box. Leave the others blank, and change the display time signature. The other approach works if you use EDUs and put it in as 1/1536+1/1536+1/1024. However, in my ancient version of Finale, the numbers don't stay there (when I go back and open up the meter dialog in a passage where it's already been defined thus), so I'd recommend using Allen's approach. Allen: why does Finale not preserve what I put in (even though it continues to work)? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
David-- Refresh my memory on what version of Finale you've been using. Do the numbers disappear or do they just change? On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Allen: why does Finale not preserve what I put in (even though it continues to work)? Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
Thanks. That was the solution. Jane Allen Fisher wrote: Hi Jane-- Put 3+3+2 (including the plus signs) into the FIRST top box. Put an 8 in the first bottom box. Leave the others blank, and change the display time signature. On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Jane Frasier wrote: I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
On 24 Nov 2008 at 22:26, Allen Fisher wrote: Refresh my memory on what version of Finale you've been using. Do the numbers disappear or do they just change? 2003. The numbers are changed, to 1/2 for the first two and I forget what for the 3rd one. But upon opening the dialog, the display is correct until I change anything. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
