Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
I'm having the same problems now, but only with 26,624 frames. Were you able to figure out a solution? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: it wasn't a corrupt prefs file, i quit and moved the prefs file to a safe location, rebooted everything, a new prefs file was generated and i still couldn't enter new music. ran data check to remove deleted items, nothing. quit everything, reinstalled my backed up prefs file, opened the document and erased 100 measures across all 88 staves, returned to the start of the score, can now enter music. i simply ran out of room. pfff. so now the question is how best to organize this, since i have never worked with multiple files for the same project before. i am thinking: - set up linked PTs before going any further - make a copy of the SC, name them SC_part1 and SC_part2 (or something) - keep the measures intact (although a pain for PT extraction, is there any reason to do this?) - erase data from the 1st third or so of the piece in part1 and the last third in part2 so there is an overlap (thinking about making PTs easier to manage) any clever advice would be greatly appreciated :-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
no, you should really have 32,767. but when i first get near it i was copying chunks of 12 instruments. i think there is a buffer of some sort at work. like if 20 frames remain and you try to copy 15, some measures will not be copied over. when doing them one at a time it seems i can go right to the max. i did notice strange counts a few times that seemed to have corrected themselves once i quit and restarted. i don't see why it would do this, but maybe there is some sort of cache that gets cleaned out when you restart finale, or run data check (which you must have done to find the number). unfortunately the only solution is to split the file (i'm doing it as late in the project as possible so all expressions / smart shapes / etc. i need are in the doc and linked parts have been set up). and file a complaint. I'm having the same problems now, but only with 26,624 frames. Were you able to figure out a solution? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
I got the frame number from File Statistics in the Score Manager. The frame number in Data Check is 32,767... Why the difference I wonder? On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: no, you should really have 32,767. but when i first get near it i was copying chunks of 12 instruments. i think there is a buffer of some sort at work. like if 20 frames remain and you try to copy 15, some measures will not be copied over. when doing them one at a time it seems i can go right to the max. i did notice strange counts a few times that seemed to have corrected themselves once i quit and restarted. i don't see why it would do this, but maybe there is some sort of cache that gets cleaned out when you restart finale, or run data check (which you must have done to find the number). unfortunately the only solution is to split the file (i'm doing it as late in the project as possible so all expressions / smart shapes / etc. i need are in the doc and linked parts have been set up). and file a complaint. I'm having the same problems now, but only with 26,624 frames. Were you able to figure out a solution? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
ah yeah that is strange. i get a massive discrepancy as well. in any case, the data check is much faster and has been accurate so i would take this as the real count. i get: data check: frames 32730 file stats: active frames 31057 non-whole rest active frames 30957 however in new file (template) i have 4 measures (empty) and the data check says 4 frames, file stats says 0. i thought maybe each measure takes up one frame empty and then another for each layer that is filled in that measure. but no, the big doc i am on has 913 measures, so the math doesn't work out... dunno... but look on the bright side, your piece / project is now finished because you ran out of frames :-) seriously though, do you have any bits where material is exactly the same across several instruments? i erased all but the top voice in many such chunks and put a 72pt note to remind me to copy down later. not a solution but will let you keep working in the main doc before splitting it. I got the frame number from File Statistics in the Score Manager. The frame number in Data Check is 32,767... Why the difference I wonder? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
it wasn't a corrupt prefs file, i quit and moved the prefs file to a safe location, rebooted everything, a new prefs file was generated and i still couldn't enter new music. ran data check to remove deleted items, nothing. quit everything, reinstalled my backed up prefs file, opened the document and erased 100 measures across all 88 staves, returned to the start of the score, can now enter music. i simply ran out of room. pfff. so now the question is how best to organize this, since i have never worked with multiple files for the same project before. i am thinking: - set up linked PTs before going any further - make a copy of the SC, name them SC_part1 and SC_part2 (or something) - keep the measures intact (although a pain for PT extraction, is there any reason to do this?) - erase data from the 1st third or so of the piece in part1 and the last third in part2 so there is an overlap (thinking about making PTs easier to manage) any clever advice would be greatly appreciated :-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
Yes. I've had this happen before. It was a corrupt preference file. Most common problem in FIN12. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of SN jef chippewa [shirl...@newmusicnotation.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:31 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes even more fun, i enter in speedy, exit the frame and the notes are not there anymore. um, is there a limit to how many notes there can be in a file? all of a sudden notes are not being copied, but all other things i had set in the filter (smart shapes, expreissions) are copied correctly. i have quit and rebooted and also set the filter to none and then to only copy the notes. still nothing. the mass paste appears in the undo list nonetheless... very scary, anyone have anything like this happen before? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
steve, the limit to the number of frames seems like a logical answer here as well. but when you had this problem was it with a large file? i don't encounter this problem when opening a new default file though, so i doubt it is a corrput prefs file... Yes. I've had this happen before. It was a corrupt preference file. Most common problem in FIN12. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
Jari's info might be the correct answer in your case but I have had the same problems due to corrupt pref. file many times only in 2012. The deleting speedy notes is a big sign that it is a corrupt pref file. The size of the file is not a factor in these cases. I've had it happen to an empty default file all the way up to large orchestral files. When the corrupt pref file happens it doesn't show the same problem every time you open a file. One time it might be deleting speedy notes, another time it might not hold program options, another it might not copy all of the notes, and another (just happened last week) it might not copy lyrics correctly. This makes it hard to let MM know where the problem lies since we have nothing to point to for them to fix. It's just a global preference corruption issue that will be difficult to fix. This is similar to the virtual stuck key issue...everyone seems to have a different key that sticks and no one knows what triggers it. i don't encounter this problem when opening a new default file though, so i doubt it is a corrput prefs file... That's pretty typical with this issue. It may react differently to different files in the same session. If you have the speedy notes disappear in a file, then you open the default file and see that it doesn't happen, then go back to the original file you will see the speedy issue again, but just in this file. This is very common with this bug. The problem that you are encountering may not happen with every file you have opened in a session. This is why it's easy to blame the file but as you dig deeper into this problem you will find that the pref. file has been corrupt. I've let MM know about this but not sure there is anything they can do about it. Even a restart of the program or your machine will not fix the issue which is another sign that it's a pref issue. You have to throw away the pref file. Once you throw that away the problem disappears. I have been troubleshooting this issue for some time now and that is the only consistent fix that I've found. Cheers, Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of SN jef chippewa [shirl...@newmusicnotation.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:47 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes steve, the limit to the number of frames seems like a logical answer here as well. but when you had this problem was it with a large file? i don't encounter this problem when opening a new default file though, so i doubt it is a corrput prefs file... Yes. I've had this happen before. It was a corrupt preference file. Most common problem in FIN12. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: J. When the corrupt pref file happens it doesn't show the same problem every time you open a file. I can confirm this. A other symptom is the inability to insert or delete measure stacks. Chuck Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
even more fun, i enter in speedy, exit the frame and the notes are not there anymore. um, is there a limit to how many notes there can be in a file? all of a sudden notes are not being copied, but all other things i had set in the filter (smart shapes, expreissions) are copied correctly. i have quit and rebooted and also set the filter to none and then to only copy the notes. still nothing. the mass paste appears in the undo list nonetheless... very scary, anyone have anything like this happen before? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
On 2012-09-18 00:27, SN jef chippewa wrote: all of a sudden notes are not being copied, but all other things i had set in the filter (smart shapes, expreissions) are copied correctly. i have quit and rebooted and also set the filter to none and then to only copy the notes. still nothing. the mass paste appears in the undo list nonetheless... very scary, anyone have anything like this happen before? Big document? You might have run out of frames. Try running a Data Check. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
Big document? You might have run out of frames. Try running a Data Check. 160 pages, 88 staves. yeah... last figures from the deleted items stats upon launching the file (after the problem already existed) showed 32767 frames, the frame assignments shows as a negative value (-31516), is that normal? this is a serious pain if that is really the case, i don't have so many measures left to enter, am mostly proofing now. i have another 7 pages in the middle i skipped, that should only be another 2000 frames if all instruments were playing all the time, which isn't the case. is a mirror considered a frame? i could regain many hundreds of frames by redoing mirrors i have already converted... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2012 stops copying notes
On 2012-09-18 01:30, SN jef chippewa wrote: Big document? You might have run out of frames. Try running a Data Check. 160 pages, 88 staves. yeah... last figures from the deleted items stats upon launching the file (after the problem already existed) showed 32767 frames, There's exactly where the upper limit of the current 16-bit Finale document design! Sometimes, delete items can retrieve some unused frames, but apparently not in your case. Earlier, this wasn't an issue because computers were too slow to handle large document, but during the last year or so I've seem many reports on this. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
