Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
Darcy James Argue wrote: In both cases, you should make sure the expression pizz is NOT defined for playback, and that Human Playback is on and set to Auto-Detect. I realize that Darcy isn't the person who raised the question as to why anyone would need two playback files, in response to my whining about how GPO is now going to force us to have at least two copies of a Finale file, if not 3. If to use the FinaleGPO properly we are supposed to define expressions so they do NOT playback, we will need to create and place substitute expressions which WILL playback for folks who don't want to or can't use GPO playback (due to computer limitations) when we share Finale2006 files with them. One copy with expressions not defined for playback for our own internal use, and one copy with expressions defined for playback to share with others not using GPO. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
On 01/08/05, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One copy with expressions not defined for playback for our own internal use, and one copy with expressions defined for playback to share with others not using GPO. I'm certainly not the expert Darcy is, but I've gathered that this is totally unnecessary. Human Playback will work just as well with the SoftSynth as is does with GPO. That's why you set HP's GPO recognition to Auto Detect. When GPO isn't being used, HP can affect the SoftSynth sounds in much the same way. Did you read Jari's tutorial on how to create a single file that can work with both GPO and the SoftSynth? http://finaletips.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40 -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 01/08/05, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One copy with expressions not defined for playback for our own internal use, and one copy with expressions defined for playback to share with others not using GPO. I'm certainly not the expert Darcy is, but I've gathered that this is totally unnecessary. Human Playback will work just as well with the SoftSynth as is does with GPO. That's why you set HP's GPO recognition to Auto Detect. When GPO isn't being used, HP can affect the SoftSynth sounds in much the same way. Did you read Jari's tutorial on how to create a single file that can work with both GPO and the SoftSynth? http://finaletips.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40 Yes, I did, and there was nothing about a file that could be played the old fashioned way, through a midi-interface into an external module. How would a 16-channel midi-interface handle things assigned to channels 17-24? What about expressions defined for playback such as patch-switching for pizz/arco effects? Those are necessary for external modules. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
At 10:30 AM 08/01/2005, dhbailey wrote: Yes, I did, and there was nothing about a file that could be played the old fashioned way, through a midi-interface into an external module. I believe this is essentially the same as playing through Softsynth, except you direct your MIDI output elsewhere. How would a 16-channel midi-interface handle things assigned to channels 17-24? Now I feel a little like Darcy, starting to repeat the same thing several times. (But only a little, since his experience is vastly greater than mine.) A GPO slot is different from a MIDI channel. If you have a 16-channel MIDI interface, then set up your score to use those channels. Then you'll need two instances of FinGPO. The first will use GPO slots 1-8, probably mapped to MIDI 1-8. The second will use GPO slots 17-24, and you'll have to map them to MIDI 9-16. I admit this is non-intuitive and not well explained in the Finale docs. I didn't get it until something that Darcy said made me realize it. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:30 AM 08/01/2005, dhbailey wrote: Yes, I did, and there was nothing about a file that could be played the old fashioned way, through a midi-interface into an external module. I believe this is essentially the same as playing through Softsynth, except you direct your MIDI output elsewhere. How would a 16-channel midi-interface handle things assigned to channels 17-24? Now I feel a little like Darcy, starting to repeat the same thing several times. (But only a little, since his experience is vastly greater than mine.) A GPO slot is different from a MIDI channel. If you have a 16-channel MIDI interface, then set up your score to use those channels. Then you'll need two instances of FinGPO. The first will use GPO slots 1-8, probably mapped to MIDI 1-8. The second will use GPO slots 17-24, and you'll have to map them to MIDI 9-16. I admit this is non-intuitive and not well explained in the Finale docs. I didn't get it until something that Darcy said made me realize it. I did finally figure that out, and all either you or Darcy needed to do was to point us to the unnecessarily tiny slot in the GPO setup dialog (the one which looks like a keyboard) which has a midi-port icon and a number or the word OMNI beside it. Clicking on the number or OMNI but NOT clicking on the icon itself (that does nothing, go figure -- don't these people at GPO or MakeMusic go to seminars on user interfaces ever?) opens a list of all 16 midi channel numbers. It is from this list, and this list ONLY that you can reassign the midi channel for any of the 8 instruments in a single GPO instance. I owe you a debt of gratitude, Aaron, expressed in another message, for sticking with me on this one and forcing me (through sheer obstinance on my part) to figure it out. But once I found out where to change the midi channel for an instrument slot in GPO, the rest is easy. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
At 11:24 AM 08/01/2005, dhbailey wrote: I did finally figure that out, and all either you or Darcy needed to do was to point us to the unnecessarily tiny slot in the GPO setup dialog (the one which looks like a keyboard) which has a midi-port icon and a number or the word OMNI beside it. Yes, that may have been in one of my earlier posts. But frankly I'm a bit brain-dead myself from processing all of this info. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
On 01 Aug 2005, at 7:20 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: In both cases, you should make sure the expression pizz is NOT defined for playback, and that Human Playback is on and set to Auto-Detect. I realize that Darcy isn't the person who raised the question as to why anyone would need two playback files, in response to my whining about how GPO is now going to force us to have at least two copies of a Finale file, if not 3. If to use the FinaleGPO properly we are supposed to define expressions so they do NOT playback, Only for the keyswitches. we will need to create and place substitute expressions which WILL playback for folks who don't want to or can't use GPO playback (due to computer limitations) when we share Finale2006 files with them. No, because Human Playback catches those expressions (pizz arco) and interprets them correctly even when you're not playing back using GPO. That's the point of leaving the expressions undefined -- otherwise, you *would* need two sets of expressions, one for the Finale SoundFont, and one for GPO. But by leaving them undefined, Human Playback is able to automatically interpret them correctly depending on which playback method you have selected. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
On 1 Aug 2005 at 15:12, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's the point of leaving the expressions undefined -- otherwise, you *would* need two sets of expressions, one for the Finale SoundFont, and one for GPO. But by leaving them undefined, Human Playback is able to automatically interpret them correctly depending on which playback method you have selected. But what does HP do with them for *other* output destinations, GM or not? Personally, I'd never use the Finale Soundfont for anything (it's too awful), since I have a decent GM synthesizer on my PC's sound card. If I wanted to switch back and forth between using my sound card and GPO (if my PC could handle it -- it can't), would HP work for the GM synthesizer, catching pizz and arco? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
On 01 Aug 2005, at 3:25 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 Aug 2005 at 15:12, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's the point of leaving the expressions undefined -- otherwise, you *would* need two sets of expressions, one for the Finale SoundFont, and one for GPO. But by leaving them undefined, Human Playback is able to automatically interpret them correctly depending on which playback method you have selected. But what does HP do with them for *other* output destinations, GM or not? The Finale SoundFont is GM-compatible, so I *think* HP will correctly interpret pizz and arco when sending to any other GM synth or soundfont. (I don't have an external GM synth or GM soundfont to test this on, though.) If you have a non-GM external sound module, then yes, you will need to use different expressions for playback via that vs. playback via GPO. It's not reasonable for HP to know about the idiosyncrasies of every possible external playback device. However, if Finale ever introduces a user-editable Human Playback dictionary, then you could customize how HP handles expressions for your own setup. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2006/GPO : need two playback files
Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] However, if Finale ever introduces a user-editable Human Playback dictionary, then you could customize how HP handles expressions for your own setup. That would be wonderful, and very much to be desired. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
