Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[rglan]

At 3:20 PM -0500 28/11/16, David H. Bailey wrote:
>If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very
>angry with them for making this $99 offer.

Me too.

>I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not
>going to fall for it this time around either.

Well I fell for it, but then the last upgrade I got was in 1993 ;-) 
Drove me insane when I had to ring them today though, listening for 
45mins to some crappy version of 'Blackbird' so I could get back into 
my account. Ouf ! They certainly are very suss musically :-/

raglan
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[David H. Bailey]

On 11/28/2016 2:43 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> jef -
>
> Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.
>
> And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
> snag the “upgrade” today.
>
> I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
> sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote.
>

Nobody (except for MakeMusic or whatever the company is currently 
called) has said that this is an upgrade that people should buy.

If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very 
angry with them for making this $99 offer.

I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not 
going to fall for it this time around either.

I fear I will not be buying another Finale upgrade for quite a while, if 
ever.

I start all my new projects in Sibelius and it's been years since 
anybody has contacted me about continuing to work on Finale files, so 
I'll simply stick with 14.5 and see if I ever feel the urge to upgrade 
to a newer version of Finale.

And while all along I've bought every single upgrade, often more to show 
my continued support for Finale than because I needed something special 
that was in a new upgrade, I'm tired of paying for supposed bug-fixes 
which should be free in updates, and which in reality have not been as 
plentiful (at least for my normal workflow and projects) as the 
publicity claims.

There has been nothing new in Finale that would make me buy an upgrade 
since they introduced linked score/parts and possibly one or two 
upgrades after that where they supposedly got the linked score/parts to 
work better.  Nowadays it's just feeding the cash cow instead of getting 
real value for the money spent and I frankly can't afford that any more.

So I'm out on this upgrade, even for $99.  And possibly out for all the 
future ones as well.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

jef - 

Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.

And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
snag the “upgrade” today.  

I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote. 

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og  
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://tinyurl.com/MariposaSO 


From: SN jef chippewa 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 2:06 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade


that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Dean Rosenthal]

Thanks, jef. Much appreciated. 

Dean

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> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:06 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> that could be because there doesn't seem to be one.  the discussion back in 
> august was -- in my interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.
> 
> a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss of speed experienced witth 
> F2014 has been fixed. it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should somehow be 
> expected to pay for that.
> 
> "dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were not listed so i have no idea 
> just how important this claim is, but should we be paying for bug fixes?  i 
> don't think so, whether they are new bugs or age-old ones, these should be 
> fixed in a free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of as more 
> substantial upgrade, not as its main selling point, not when i am being asked 
> to buy it.
> 
> as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying with finale "for the kids", 
> certainly not for the amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence with 
> this one.  if i had a client that needed me to have F25, i would be forced to 
> get it.  and i may spring for it today (because i might eventually have to 
> have it), but i would much prefer to sit this round out as a political 
> statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel like i am feeding alcohol to an 
> alcoholic that will just reinforce their unwillingness to make the first 
> step: admit s/he has a problem.
> 
> perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, but all in all, my reading 
> is that is a less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" to its 
> customers.
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I don¹t think we¹ve heard the 
>> simple answer to THIS question:
>> 
>> What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>> 
>> Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>> 
>> For Win10 users, particularly.
>> 
>> I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
>> upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real 
>> ones would certainly be revealing.
> 
> -- 
> 
> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation
> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html
> 
> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
> new music notation  +  arts management  +  translation
> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise  |  [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[SN jef chippewa]

that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

-- 

neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation
http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html

shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
new music notation  +  arts management  +  translation
[FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise  |  [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

Thanks to all who’ve chimed in.   But so far, I don’t think we’ve heard the 
simple answer to THIS question:

What’s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?

Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5?  

For Win10 users, particularly.

I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real ones 
would certainly be revealing.

Best,

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og  
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://tinyurl.com/MariposaSO 



From: cr...@parmerlee.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 8:29 PM
To: wit...@nctv.com ; finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade







I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not 
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file 
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and 
25.



-- Original message--From: John WitmerDate: Sat, Nov 26, 2016 4:40 
PMTo: finale@shsu.edu;Subject:[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade
Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[craig]

I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not 
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file 
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and 
25.



-- Original message--From: John WitmerDate: Sat, Nov 26, 2016 4:40 
PMTo: finale@shsu.edu;Subject:[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade
Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Christopher Smith]

Sorry, I’m on a Mac. There are too many issues in the Mac version for me to use 
it right now. I have it installed, but use 2014.5 until I get some bugs fixed. 
The Windows version might be in better shape.

Christopher


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 4:39 PM, John Witmer  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
> really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using 
> Windows 10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems ok.
> Chordially,
> John
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