Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks--nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks--nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow-- nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
That's the command to show multiple pages on one screen in page view. The problem is, Finale doesn't think there are multiple pages to display, so it's only showing me one--regardless of whether I've chosen to show multiple pages or not. Still nothing. --BB On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks--nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/ Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Brennon Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Hi Brennon -- On the offchance that something got messed up accidentally -- like a huge number in the space between systems area of the Edit System Margins window -- here's what I would try: Open the Edit System Margins window in Page Layout. Put 0 in the Space Between Systems box, then enter From system 1 through 0, which will select all systems. Click Apply and see what happens. Frankly, I don't think this is the problem, but at least it's something else to try. And also, see Chris's reply about the key command for Update Layout. Maybe you've been pressing the wrong thing? -- Mike On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Brennon Bortz wrote: That's the command to show multiple pages on one screen in page view. The problem is, Finale doesn't think there are multiple pages to display, so it's only showing me one--regardless of whether I've chosen to show multiple pages or not. Still nothing. --BB On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks-- nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Brennon Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
You could also try redefining all pages. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 27 Apr 2007, at 12:15 PM, Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hi Brennon -- On the offchance that something got messed up accidentally -- like a huge number in the space between systems area of the Edit System Margins window -- here's what I would try: Open the Edit System Margins window in Page Layout. Put 0 in the Space Between Systems box, then enter From system 1 through 0, which will select all systems. Click Apply and see what happens. Frankly, I don't think this is the problem, but at least it's something else to try. And also, see Chris's reply about the key command for Update Layout. Maybe you've been pressing the wrong thing? -- Mike On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Brennon Bortz wrote: That's the command to show multiple pages on one screen in page view. The problem is, Finale doesn't think there are multiple pages to display, so it's only showing me one--regardless of whether I've chosen to show multiple pages or not. Still nothing. --BB On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks--nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Brennon Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
No, that's command / to show multiple pages. [...] In any case, Finale, by design, has NEVER made the other pages available for editing in multiple page view. That makes it, IMHO, useless. Christopher, I don't agree. I use this a lot to have a better overview of the layout, the spacing of the music on facing pages and so on. I'm glad for this option. Even though I'm often fooled when I -again!- want to edit something on the 2nd page...! Minke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Mike, I've been trying Command-/ and Command-\ (which both seem to be a shortcut for Show Multiple Pages) as well as Command-D for Update Layout. I'm not at that computer now, but I'll try what you've suggested in an hour or so. I appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid this isn't the problem either. If there was an enourmous amount of space between staves, wouldn't this give me even more pages than I expect, instead of only one? As this is a composition that I have to have to performers by Monday, I need to find a solution on very short order. I have a huge number of expressions to place and notes to place in the score--you know how new music goes. I guess I could do this in Scroll View and just wait to find a solution, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to go about this. What would happen if I just copied everything into a blank document? I have no libraries loaded that aren't already in my default document. I do have a few custom shapes that I've created, however. Is this all that I will lose? Obviously, page formatting isn't an issue, as I haven't been able to operate in Page View yet. Any thoughts? Thanks again, Brennon C. Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside Original message Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:04 -0400 From: Michael L. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View To: finale@shsu.edu Hi Brennon -- On the offchance that something got messed up accidentally -- like a huge number in the space between systems area of the Edit System Margins window -- here's what I would try: Open the Edit System Margins window in Page Layout. Put 0 in the Space Between Systems box, then enter From system 1 through 0, which will select all systems. Click Apply and see what happens. Frankly, I don't think this is the problem, but at least it's something else to try. And also, see Chris's reply about the key command for Update Layout. Maybe you've been pressing the wrong thing? -- Mike On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Brennon Bortz wrote: That's the command to show multiple pages on one screen in page view. The problem is, Finale doesn't think there are multiple pages to display, so it's only showing me one--regardless of whether I've chosen to show multiple pages or not. Still nothing. --BB On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks-- nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Tried that to no avail... Brennon C. Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside Original message Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:26:26 -0400 From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View To: finale@shsu.edu You could also try redefining all pages. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 27 Apr 2007, at 12:15 PM, Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hi Brennon -- On the offchance that something got messed up accidentally -- like a huge number in the space between systems area of the Edit System Margins window -- here's what I would try: Open the Edit System Margins window in Page Layout. Put 0 in the Space Between Systems box, then enter From system 1 through 0, which will select all systems. Click Apply and see what happens. Frankly, I don't think this is the problem, but at least it's something else to try. And also, see Chris's reply about the key command for Update Layout. Maybe you've been pressing the wrong thing? -- Mike On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Brennon Bortz wrote: That's the command to show multiple pages on one screen in page view. The problem is, Finale doesn't think there are multiple pages to display, so it's only showing me one--regardless of whether I've chosen to show multiple pages or not. Still nothing. --BB On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks--nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Brennon Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
On Apr 27, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Brennon C. Bortz wrote: Mike, I've been trying Command-/ and Command-\ (which both seem to be a shortcut for Show Multiple Pages) as well as Command-D for Update Layout. See, now I thought Command-D was to redraw the screen. What version are you on? I have 2007, but I still mostly use 2004. Are these commands that changed in the newer versions? I'm not at that computer now, but I'll try what you've suggested in an hour or so. I appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid this isn't the problem either. If there was an enourmous amount of space between staves, wouldn't this give me even more pages than I expect, instead of only one? Possibly, but I've seen interesting things happen in that window with interesting numbers -- always by accident, but interesting nonetheless. Maybe there's a large negative number and Finale doesn't know what to do with it either. I have very little confidence that this is actually but the problem, but I feel like I've had a similar problem before to what you're having now, and that the solution was something really simple that I had overlooked for a long time before realizing it. As this is a composition that I have to have to performers by Monday, I need to find a solution on very short order. I have a huge number of expressions to place and notes to place in the score--you know how new music goes. I guess I could do this in Scroll View and just wait to find a solution, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to go about this. What would happen if I just copied everything into a blank document? I have no libraries loaded that aren't already in my default document. I do have a few custom shapes that I've created, however. Is this all that I will lose? Obviously, page formatting isn't an issue, as I haven't been able to operate in Page View yet. Any thoughts? I really can't think of anything else, based on what you've said you've done. Whenever I have problems with seeing things the way I think I'm supposed to be seeing them, I always do a few things in the same order: 1. In Mass Edit, select all and select Apply Note Spacing. (Of course, other people might choose different spacing options.) 2. Make sure (in Page View) that the first page of the document is open/active and select Update Layout. (which usually is Command-\) 3. Select Screen Redraw. (which usually is Command-D) That usually takes care of all possible visual problems with Finale. But I think you said you've done these things, so I for one am baffled. If you'd like, feel free to attach the file to an e-mail and send it to me off-list, and I can try a couple of things to see what might work. I'm on my MacBook, though, which only has 2007 on it. (I haven't done any of the updaters yet.) -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Sorry -- just to clarify -- I realized that when I wrote: ... but I feel like I've had a similar problem before to what you're having now, and that the solution was something really simple that I had overlooked for a long time before realizing it. ... it's different than what I meant -- and also really condescending, which I didn't mean to be! I meant that whatever the solution was for the problem that I had, I've forgotten what it was now, but I remember it was something obvious and overlooked. And now I think I'm making even less sense. Sorry. -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Brennon, Try actually selecting the Update Layout menu item. Your symptoms are 100% consistent with a failure to update the layout. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 27 Apr 2007, at 12:33 PM, Brennon C. Bortz wrote: Mike, I've been trying Command-/ and Command-\ (which both seem to be a shortcut for Show Multiple Pages) as well as Command-D for Update Layout. I'm not at that computer now, but I'll try what you've suggested in an hour or so. I appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid this isn't the problem either. If there was an enourmous amount of space between staves, wouldn't this give me even more pages than I expect, instead of only one? As this is a composition that I have to have to performers by Monday, I need to find a solution on very short order. I have a huge number of expressions to place and notes to place in the score--you know how new music goes. I guess I could do this in Scroll View and just wait to find a solution, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to go about this. What would happen if I just copied everything into a blank document? I have no libraries loaded that aren't already in my default document. I do have a few custom shapes that I've created, however. Is this all that I will lose? Obviously, page formatting isn't an issue, as I haven't been able to operate in Page View yet. Any thoughts? Thanks again, Brennon C. Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside Original message Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:15:04 -0400 From: Michael L. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View To: finale@shsu.edu Hi Brennon -- On the offchance that something got messed up accidentally -- like a huge number in the space between systems area of the Edit System Margins window -- here's what I would try: Open the Edit System Margins window in Page Layout. Put 0 in the Space Between Systems box, then enter From system 1 through 0, which will select all systems. Click Apply and see what happens. Frankly, I don't think this is the problem, but at least it's something else to try. And also, see Chris's reply about the key command for Update Layout. Maybe you've been pressing the wrong thing? -- Mike On Apr 27, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Brennon Bortz wrote: That's the command to show multiple pages on one screen in page view. The problem is, Finale doesn't think there are multiple pages to display, so it's only showing me one--regardless of whether I've chosen to show multiple pages or not. Still nothing. --BB On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2007, at 6:24 AM, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: Hello list, I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I removed optimization--no help. I removed system locks-- nothing. I redefined all pages. After doing so, now only the first page of music is available. When I do something crazy, like use Fit Music to fit 99 measures to a system, I do in fact see 99 measures on the first page. I know the music is there, but I can't seem to get to it. I've tried update layout several times. Changed update layout settings to remove system locks and reflow--nothing. When I go into system margins, the reported space needed for an additional system is zero, which leads me to believe that Finale thinks it doesn't have another system to fit. Tried to use Space Systems Evenly to force a second system on the first page. Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.MakeMusic.Finale.plist in the Users/Library/Preferences folder). I can successfully insert a blank page after the first and view it. Can't get to any other pages by either clicking the arrows at the bottom of the screen or by typing in a page number. Inserting a blank staff system after the first does nothing (I'm assuming the system was inserted...I just can't see it.) Resizing all staff systems down to 15% still shows only one system on the first page. Using FinMac2006d. I'd appreciate any ideas. In page layout you need to update the layout to show the added pages. On windows machines, that's ctrl-u but I'm not sure what it is on a mac. on Mac it's command-\ But he said he updated layout already, several times. Whenever Finale starts behaving unexpectedly like this, it's a good time to quit, logout and log back in again. A couple of times I've needed to restart, but logout and in seems to solve a lot of flakiness. Let us know how this works. Christopher
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
On Apr 27, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Minke Hylarides wrote: No, that's command / to show multiple pages. [...] In any case, Finale, by design, has NEVER made the other pages available for editing in multiple page view. That makes it, IMHO, useless. Christopher, I don't agree. I use this a lot to have a better overview of the layout, the spacing of the music on facing pages and so on. I'm glad for this option. Even though I'm often fooled when I - again!- want to edit something on the 2nd page...! Hey, I'm glad SOMEONE has a use for it! I sure don't. 8-) Christopher (like that 4th arrow for baseline adjustment, who uses it?) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
On Apr 27, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Brennon C. Bortz wrote: Mike, I've been trying Command-/ and Command-\ (which both seem to be a shortcut for Show Multiple Pages) as well as Command-D for Update Layout. Command D is only redraw screen, to get rid of screen artifacts. It wouldn't change anything regarding layout. You must have a non-US keyboard layout if command \ shows multiple pages. I suggest choosing Update Layout manually from the Edit menu. This might solve it, if you have never updated layout (which seems to be the case from what you describe.) If this doesn't solve it, send the file to me privately. I am on FinMac2007 as well, so I might be able to give you an insight. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
From: Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available.[...] I'd appreciate any ideas. I find WinFin 2004 page layout tool frequently loses systems when I adjust system spacing numerically to change the number on a page. Update layout never seems to find them. A much more reliable layout tool is Space systems evenly, which has always found them so far. You can ask for the same number of systems (greater than one) on a range of pages. -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Please see my comments below... Brennon C. Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside Original message Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:13:05 -0400 From: Michael L. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View To: finale@shsu.edu On Apr 27, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Brennon C. Bortz wrote: Mike, I've been trying Command-/ and Command-\ (which both seem to be a shortcut for Show Multiple Pages) as well as Command-D for Update Layout. See, now I thought Command-D was to redraw the screen. What version are you on? I have 2007, but I still mostly use 2004. Are these commands that changed in the newer versions? I may be mistaken...I'm working from memory right now. I'm using FinMac2006d. I'm not at that computer now, but I'll try what you've suggested in an hour or so. I appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid this isn't the problem either. If there was an enourmous amount of space between staves, wouldn't this give me even more pages than I expect, instead of only one? Possibly, but I've seen interesting things happen in that window with interesting numbers -- always by accident, but interesting nonetheless. Maybe there's a large negative number and Finale doesn't know what to do with it either. I have very little confidence that this is actually but the problem, but I feel like I've had a similar problem before to what you're having now, and that the solution was something really simple that I had overlooked for a long time before realizing it. I'll give it a shot in a bit... As this is a composition that I have to have to performers by Monday, I need to find a solution on very short order. I have a huge number of expressions to place and notes to place in the score--you know how new music goes. I guess I could do this in Scroll View and just wait to find a solution, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to go about this. What would happen if I just copied everything into a blank document? I have no libraries loaded that aren't already in my default document. I do have a few custom shapes that I've created, however. Is this all that I will lose? Obviously, page formatting isn't an issue, as I haven't been able to operate in Page View yet. Any thoughts? I really can't think of anything else, based on what you've said you've done. Whenever I have problems with seeing things the way I think I'm supposed to be seeing them, I always do a few things in the same order: 1. In Mass Edit, select all and select Apply Note Spacing. (Of course, other people might choose different spacing options.) 2. Make sure (in Page View) that the first page of the document is open/active and select Update Layout. (which usually is Command-\) 3. Select Screen Redraw. (which usually is Command-D) That usually takes care of all possible visual problems with Finale. But I think you said you've done these things, so I for one am baffled. If you'd like, feel free to attach the file to an e-mail and send it to me off-list, and I can try a couple of things to see what might work. I'm on my MacBook, though, which only has 2007 on it. (I haven't done any of the updaters yet.) Unfortunately, I'm on 2006...that will cause problems, no? -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Alright, I've now tried the following to rescue this file in Page View: -Removed all optimization -Removed all system locks -Redefined all pages -Fit Music -Update Layout (both through keyboard shortcut and menu item) -Space Systems Evenly -Trashed preferences (both Finale 2006 Preferences and com.makemusic.finale.plist in User/Library/Preferences) -Resized all staff systems to 15% -In this order: Selected all in Mass Mover and applied note spacing, updated layout (through the menu), and redrew screen Finally, after trying to force more than one system per page using Space Systems Evenly, then updating layout, then redrawing, all the music appeared. However, only two systems per page (which is fine). I have no idea what caused this, or what exactly fixed it (as I had been updating layout and redrawing after each of the items listed above). I was consistenly redefining pages, making sure nothing was optimized and no systems were locked before attempting each of the steps listed above. So, I'm not sure why this fixed things now. This has made for a few gray hairs on this young composer... Thank you all for all your help. Best regards, Brennon On Apr 27, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Ken Moore wrote: From: Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available.[...] I'd appreciate any ideas. I find WinFin 2004 page layout tool frequently loses systems when I adjust system spacing numerically to change the number on a page. Update layout never seems to find them. A much more reliable layout tool is Space systems evenly, which has always found them so far. You can ask for the same number of systems (greater than one) on a range of pages. -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Brennon Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student - Music Composition University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing systems in Page View
Brennon Bortz wrote: I've entered a bunch of music in scroll view, and then switched to page view. There should be around 25 pages of music, or so. But, when I switched to Page view, only 13 were available. I don't see where anyone mentioned my solution to this issue, which I run into only infrequently: I select speedy entry, place the cursor on the last measure I can see, and press the right arrow key until I reach the end of the music. This generally causes the additional pages to display properly. This is also a technique I use to display text block on pages past the end of the current score, create new measures until I reach the page the text block is on, at which point I can access the text block attribute dialog box. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
