Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
At 4/30/2007 07:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was optimized for speed), and it's here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your original post. I've also processed that file to optimize it for the Web, and the result is here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace3.pdf Yes, the result looks exactly the same as above, ie. worse than the original. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 1 May 2007 at 6:34, Phil Daley wrote: At 4/30/2007 07:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was optimized for speed), and it's here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your original post. It's no different on my screen! I haven't done a file compare, but the file is exactly the same size as the original (though not the first thing I posted). I've also processed that file to optimize it for the Web, and the result is here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace3.pdf Yes, the result looks exactly the same as above, ie. worse than the original. Screen display doesn't worry me. Acrobat Reader badly regressed in screen display after version 6. Of course, it improved in speed, so it's a sad trade-off. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
At 5/1/2007 01:13 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 May 2007 at 6:34, Phil Daley wrote: On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your original post. It's no different on my screen! I haven't done a file compare, but the file is exactly the same size as the original (though not the first thing I posted). My screen is 1600x1200. I am viewing in Adobe at 100%. Viewing at 150% looks better and at 200% looks perfect. BTW: Adobe Version is 7.0.7 if that makes any difference. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 1 May 2007 at 13:39, Phil Daley wrote (nothing quoted here): At 5/1/2007 01:13 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 May 2007 at 6:34, Phil Daley wrote: On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your original post. It's no different on my screen! I haven't done a file compare, but the file is exactly the same size as the original (though not the irst thing I posted). Turns out they weren't the same size, after all -- victim of Windows Explorer rounding. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Generally, I've had no troubles getting PDFs to her via my website, but this has happened once before. She said it was some problem with the rests of something (granted, it's a first draft, without proper editing -- I'm arranging a 7-part texture for playing by five viols). Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? In Preview it looks fine to me. In Adobe Reader there is the usual on- screen weirdness of thick and thin staff lines, but that is onscreen only. What version of Adobe Reader is she using? I understand older versions won't read PDF files correctly all the time. Another issue, did you create this PDF file on a computer other than the one that the Finale file was created on? There might be font issues if the version of the Finale fonts is not exactly the same. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? No. All symbols (including the title) show up as rectangles. Clearly some kind of font problem. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: [answering David Fenton's PDF query] No. All symbols (including the title) show up as rectangles. Clearly some kind of font problem. It looks fine on mine. I would guess that there's some sort of font embedding issue whereby most methods of PDF viewing still read it fine but a few are tripped up by it and can't find the right fonts. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 30 Apr 2007 at 8:03, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Generally, I've had no troubles getting PDFs to her via my website, but this has happened once before. She said it was some problem with the rests of something (granted, it's a first draft, without proper editing -- I'm arranging a 7-part texture for playing by five viols). Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? In Preview it looks fine to me. In Adobe Reader there is the usual on- screen weirdness of thick and thin staff lines, but that is onscreen only. Strangely, I noticed that the line thickness problem is much worse in standalone Adobe reader than it is in the plugin, where the lines appear to be much better smoothed (though still not as good as the previous version was). What version of Adobe Reader is she using? I understand older versions won't read PDF files correctly all the time. I don't know that she's using Adobe Reader at all, since she's on an OS X Mac. Another issue, did you create this PDF file on a computer other than the one that the Finale file was created on? There might be font issues if the version of the Finale fonts is not exactly the same. I created it and made the PDF on my own PC (it was about a 2-hour project, most of that being putting in the damned lyrics), just as I have many, many times, and sent the same files to her. In the end, she opened it in Photoshop, which rasterized it and allowed her to view it, but I don't know why she wasn't seeing the correct stuff otherwise. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 30 Apr 2007 at 9:47, Mark D Lew wrote: On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: [answering David Fenton's PDF query] No. All symbols (including the title) show up as rectangles. Clearly some kind of font problem. It looks fine on mine. I would guess that there's some sort of font embedding issue whereby most methods of PDF viewing still read it fine but a few are tripped up by it and can't find the right fonts. Well, first off, I'm using exactly same templates as I always use for PDFs that I've posted to the list and to this particular user, and no one has ever told me that there's a problem before, with one exception, and that's the person who reported the problem. Now, I've been distributing PDFs created with PDF995 (which is just a wrapper around GhostScript) for years now and have never encountered anyone saying there's a problem. I would note that my Adobe Reader allows me to choose whether or not to use local fonts or not. Perhaps if you have that checked it won't read the fonts embedded in the PDF? I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was optimized for speed), and it's here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf I've also processed that file to optimize it for the Web, and the result is here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace3.pdf I see no differences between them, except that the web-optimized file is very slightly smaller. I don't know what version of OS X my correspondent is using, but it may be an older one (she's not a techie and depends on her son, an Apple employee, to keep her PC up-to-date, but he's not around much any more!). Andrew, what version do you have? And what are you using to view the PDF? Preview? Adobe Reader? The Acrobat browser plugin? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 30 Apr 2007 at 19:26, shirling neueweise wrote: if you are using special fonts, make sure they are getting embedded; if the end user doesn't have the fonts installed they won't be able to read the doc properly. I'm using no special fonts. The file was created yesterday evening from my default WinFin2K3 template. It uses three truetype fonts for text (Book Antiqua, a Palatino knockoff, Century Gothic, a knockoff of another font whose name I've forgotten, and Joulliard, which is a Galliard knockoff, but one I've been using for over 15 years without issues!), and the Engraver Wide music font. i opened the PDF document properties to see the fonts it contains... very strange, i'll send you an attachment separately. there are no recognizable finale fonts or text fonts. That seems pretty obvious to me that all my PDF writer is doing is creating embedded font definitions that include only the used characters. It would make no sense to embed the whole font by name. maybe do a data check to check doc fonts against systems fonts. Regardless of what you're seeing for the internal font definitions within the document, does it display correctly for you? If it does, then that's surely not causing a problem. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Apr 2007 at 8:03, Christopher Smith wrote: What version of Adobe Reader is she using? I understand older versions won't read PDF files correctly all the time. I don't know that she's using Adobe Reader at all, since she's on an OS X Mac. Adobe Reader is available for Mac, and I use it when I need the special features that Preview doesn't offer (like the Finale documentation), plus it sometimes views and prints correctly some files that don't read properly in Preview. And sometimes vice-versa! Maybe she could try out the newest version. Another issue, did you create this PDF file on a computer other than the one that the Finale file was created on? There might be font issues if the version of the Finale fonts is not exactly the same. I created it and made the PDF on my own PC (it was about a 2-hour project, most of that being putting in the damned lyrics), just as I have many, many times, and sent the same files to her. In the end, she opened it in Photoshop, which rasterized it and allowed her to view it, but I don't know why she wasn't seeing the correct stuff otherwise. That's weird! Since she was able to view it in Photoshop, that seems to indicate that the fonts WERE embedded after all. I'm stumped, but I am far from an expert on these matters. I hope someone can shed some light for you. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? It all looked perfect on my MacBook Pro, OS 10.4.9, FinMac 2k7 installed. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
That seems pretty obvious to me that all my PDF writer is doing is creating embedded font definitions that include only the used characters. It would make no sense to embed the whole font by name. it doesn't make any sense to me; usually this is what appears when i check my own PDFs: a list of all the embedded (all music fonts + text fonts i know the user won't have) and non-embedded fonts (arial, times n.r. et al) in the document. this has in the past helped me diagnose/solve problems i was having which were possibly related to font issues. maybe do a data check to check doc fonts against systems fonts. Regardless of what you're seeing for the internal font definitions within the document, does it display correctly for you? If it does, then that's surely not causing a problem. well since you don't know what the problem is all we can do is suggest some things to try; there is obvioualy some kind of font issue happening, so you might as well give it a try. you might even find other problems in the document if you're lucky! At 19:31 -0400 4/30/07, David W. Fenton wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see attached an the image doesn't appear below. What is that supposed to tell me? It's just the temp font names that my PDF writer uses in storing the needed font definitions for the document. Is that supposed to help me troubleshoot somehow? Sorry, but I don't understand! i have never encountered such names in any PDF document i have checked; usually the font names are there, and regardless of whether or not i have them installed on my own dumputer. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was optimized for speed), and it's here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf I've also processed that file to optimize it for the Web, and the result is here: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace3.pdf I see no differences between them, except that the web-optimized file is very slightly smaller. Both are fine for me on OSX 10.4.9, though as before, Preview 3.0.9 does a better job of on-screen viewing than Acrobat Reader 7.0.9 does. I doubt I have the special fonts you mentioned, and I could see everything fine. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
That's weird! Since she was able to view it in Photoshop, that seems to indicate that the fonts WERE embedded after all. nope. it _suggests_ they are installed on her computer, _or_ they are embedded; if she knows photoshop (or another digital graphic design programme) well she could tell you which is the case. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 1 May 2007 at 2:21, shirling neueweise wrote: That's weird! Since she was able to view it in Photoshop, that seems to indicate that the fonts WERE embedded after all. nope. it _suggests_ they are installed on her computer, _or_ they are embedded; if she knows photoshop (or another digital graphic design programme) well she could tell you which is the case. I am certain that the Galliard knock-off font is not installed as it's from a TrueType font set I bought in 1991. She also does not have Finale installed, so I wouldn't expect the Engraver Wide font to be on her system. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
David, This shows up alright on my Mac. It looks fine to me except perhaps for placement of floating rests having to do with multiple vocal parts. I have to assume they are placed where they were put by the composer. Chuck On Apr 29, 2007, at 7:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Generally, I've had no troubles getting PDFs to her via my website, but this has happened once before. She said it was some problem with the rests of something (granted, it's a first draft, without proper editing -- I'm arranging a 7-part texture for playing by five viols). Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
In a message dated 4/29/07 10:01:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? It displays properly here. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
On 29 Apr 2007 at 20:13, Chuck Israels wrote: This shows up alright on my Mac. It looks fine to me except perhaps for placement of floating rests having to do with multiple vocal parts. I have to assume they are placed where they were put by the composer. No, Orlando Gibbons was dead several hundred years before Finale was invented! I just haven't bothered with the floating rests, simply because I'm actually going to eliminate the multiple voices and fold them into individual parts (which is the point of the exercise). Maybe that was what my correspondent was complaining about after all. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Test of a PDF on Mac
Looks fine to me, David. I'm using Adobe Reader 7.05 with system version 10.4.9 on a G5. On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A Mac user tells me this PDF: http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace.pdf shows up with weird characters. Generally, I've had no troubles getting PDFs to her via my website, but this has happened once before. She said it was some problem with the rests of something (granted, it's a first draft, without proper editing -- I'm arranging a 7-part texture for playing by five viols). Are Mac users seeing proper noteheads/rests? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
