Re: [Fink-users] GUI - start?
Per Michael Grant's comments in the octave bug report, this is a non-compliant (illegal) C11++ construct in octave code (but happens to work in gcc and MSVC). We can not ask Apple to fix it. Octave community needs fix the illegal construct. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2015, at 16:05, Sunil Shah ssha...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a link to the clang syntax bug(s) in the Octave / fink forums? Ben sent me this, and I’ll cc our mailing list http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?41178 If Apple needs to address the bug, has any one filed a bug report to Apple? Apple's Xcode 7 (pre-release) did fix some bugs. I haven’t. My Mac development time has recently been more devoted to updating the fink code than on the packages that I’m the listed maintainer for. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] GUI - start?
I suppose it does not help that Apple is moving over to Metal from OpenGL. Do the offending modules have to do with OpenGL? On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 18:48, Sunil Shah ssha...@gmail.com wrote: I should have been careful in my statement about what worked for me. I am trying to understand the problem you referred to about octave 4.0.0 not building on clang++. I have been quite impressed with the performance of Octave code on Mac OSX using fink. My tests used octave382-atlas-qtmac 3.8.2-6. It has also been quite reliable. The fact that the code works much faster on four year old hardware with a lot fewer cpu cores and even after using the latest Ubuntu tools / libraries on the high end Intel machines on EC2 is remarkable. Apple does claim that its Accelerate framework is much faster than standard BLAS / ATLAS. A lot of the improvements were part of 10.9 / 10.10 update (see WWDC 2013-2014 videos). I will check if the default octave performs faster than the octave-atlas version. Now, as you imply in your last email, if the default octave variant uses clang already, what is the issue with octave 4.0.0 and clang++? Or is it a new issue in octave 4.0.0 in moving from 3.8.2? Almost everything in Fink uses clang/clang++ to build on 10.7 and later. I don’t happen to have a transcript handy, but it’s a new issue in moving from 3.8.2, and the issue is that Apple’s clang doesn’t like some of the source code and thus Octave can’t be built. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] GUI - start?
Hi Alexander, What is the plan to get octave 4.0. on fink? Thanks, Sunil On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 4, 2015, at 16:28, Ben Abbott bpabb...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't specific to fltk13-aqua. Updating any package with a PkgInfo file fails on Yosemite. While we work out a solution, the workaround would be to remove fltk13-aqua and then install it, since the issue only is triggered when upgrading. I can't add it to the FAQ because my computer is in the shop. Sent from my iPod After I also had trouble updating, I did as suggested … fink remove fltk13-aqua fink install fltk13-aqua That worked without complaint. Which surprised me as I have octave-3.8.2 installed and show-deps indicates fltk13-aqua. Ben Fortunately fltk13-aqua is a build-time dependency, and so it can be removed freely--as long as you're not actively building something that needs it. -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] GUI - start?
Is octave 3.8.2 is the last official version for fink on the latest mac osx? Or, are you waiting for some other dependency to resolve the issue? On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 16:02, Sunil Shah ssha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alexander, What is the plan to get octave 4.0. on fink? Thanks, Sunil The last thing I heard was that it wouldn’t build with clang on 10.9 and 10.10, so that was “None”. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] GUI - start?
Octave 3.8.2.6 did build with the -dev version on OSX 10.10.3 (latest production release) on fink 0.38.5 Most of my octave code runs faster on the octave 3.8.2.x build on iMacs (late 2011, 4 core intel) than on Octave 4.0.0 on Ubuntu 36 core fastest Amazon AWS EC2 instance (c4.8xlarge with SSD and 60 GB RAM). If there is some way to use Clang and Apple's Accelerate framework (Apple tuned BLAS / LAPACK/Vecor libs) on Mac OSX, it may really work very well. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 16:31, Ben Abbott bpabb...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 16:02, Sunil Shah ssha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alexander, What is the plan to get octave 4.0. on fink? Thanks, Sunil The last thing I heard was that it wouldn’t build with clang on 10.9 and 10.10, so that was “None”. Alex, I don’t think the Octave development community is as proficient in building apps using clang on 10.9 as *you* ;-) Any chance you’ll take a look? Ben I can try, yeah. I’ve got some potential avenues to investigate. Now, if only there were more hours in the day… :-) -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] GUI - start?
I should have been careful in my statement about what worked for me. I am trying to understand the problem you referred to about octave 4.0.0 not building on clang++. I have been quite impressed with the performance of Octave code on Mac OSX using fink. My tests used octave382-atlas-qtmac 3.8.2-6. It has also been quite reliable. The fact that the code works much faster on four year old hardware with a lot fewer cpu cores and even after using the latest Ubuntu tools / libraries on the high end Intel machines on EC2 is remarkable. Apple does claim that its Accelerate framework is much faster than standard BLAS / ATLAS. A lot of the improvements were part of 10.9 / 10.10 update (see WWDC 2013-2014 videos). I will check if the default octave performs faster than the octave-atlas version. Now, as you imply in your last email, if the default octave variant uses clang already, what is the issue with octave 4.0.0 and clang++? Or is it a new issue in octave 4.0.0 in moving from 3.8.2? On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 17:44, Sunil Shah ssha...@gmail.com wrote: Octave 3.8.2.6 did build with the -dev version on OSX 10.10.3 (latest production release) on fink 0.38.5 There’s no -dev version. -dev means “contains stuff used for development, but not needed at runtime”, like headers and the mkoctfile build tool. Most of my octave code runs faster on the octave 3.8.2.x build on iMacs (late 2011, 4 core intel) than on Octave 4.0.0 on Ubuntu 36 core fastest Amazon AWS EC2 instance (c4.8xlarge with SSD and 60 GB RAM). If there is some way to use Clang and Apple's Accelerate framework (Apple tuned BLAS / LAPACK/Vecor libs) on Mac OSX, it may really work very well. That’s what the default “octave” variant uses, as opposed to octave-atlas or octave-ref, so that’s already been implemented for a very long time. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
