[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story (L. Kauffman)

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan 

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Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
Fecha:  Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:36:07 -0600
De: Louis H Kauffman 
Para:   PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ 
CC: fis@listas.unizar.es 



Dear Pedro,
Ok. Can we have the text of Professor Rossler’s proof that these 
mini-black holes


  * cannot Hawking evaporate
  * grow exponentially inside matter?


It would be very interesting to debate the details.

I find on the web:
http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf

http://www.science20.com/big_science_gambles/blog/interview_professor_otto_rössler_takes_lhc-31449 



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html

http://environmental-impact.web.cern.ch/environmental-impact/Objects/LHCSafety/NicolaiComment-en.pdf

Best,
Lou Kauffman


On Jan 5, 2017, at 5:06 AM, PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ 
> wrote:


Dear FISers,

Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions.
I really hope that this Curious Story is just that, a curiosity.
But in science we should not look for hopes but for arguments and 
counter-arguments...


Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year!
--Pedro




*De:*Otto E. Rossler [oeros...@yahoo.com ]
*Enviado el:*miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017 17:51
*Para:*PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
*Asunto:* NY session
--

*A Curious Story*
Otto E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany

Maybe I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then 
make it even more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone says “I 
can save your house from a time bomb planted into the basement” and 
you respond by saying “I don’t care.” This curious story is taken from 
the Buddhist bible.
It of course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a lunatic 
person claiming that he alone can save the planet from a time-bomb 
about to be planted into it. In that case, there would be no reason to 
worry. On the other hand, it could also be that you, the manager, are 
a bit high at the moment so that you don't fully appreciate the offer 
made to you. How serious is my offer herewith made to you today?
I only say that for eight years' time already, there exists no 
counter-proof in the literature to my at first highly publicized proof 
of danger. I was able to demonstrate that the miniature black holes 
officially attempted to be produced at CERN do possess two radically 
new properties:


  * they cannot Hawking evaporate
  * they grow exponentially inside matter

If these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing 
ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth near the town of Geneva 
means that the slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and 
grow there exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole 
after several of undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt of 
CERN's to produce them near Geneva is a bit curious.
What is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one 
finds it curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The professor informs 
the candidate about the outcome of the oral exam with the following 
words “You are bound to laugh but you have flunked the test.” I never 
understood the punchline. I likewise cannot understand why a never 
refuted proof of the biggest danger of history leaves everyone 
unconcerned. Why NOT check an unattended piece of luggage on the 
airport called Earth?
To my mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very reason 
that everyone finds it boring. A successful counter-proof would thus 
alleviate but a single person’s fears – mine. You, my dear reader, are 
thus my last hope that you might be able to explain the punch line to 
me: “Why is it that it does not matter downstairs that the first floor 
is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to learn why attempting planetocide 
is fun.  Are you not?


For J.O.R.
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[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story (J. Brenner)

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan 


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Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
Fecha:  Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:32:50 +0100
De: Joseph Brenner 
Responder a:Joseph Brenner 
Para: 	PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ , 
fis@listas.unizar.es




Dear All,
Happy New Year indeed! Let us all 'hope' (here OK) that 2017 does not 
turn into 1984. . .

Regarding the proposed discussion topic, I have two suggestions:
1) everyone should read, at least, the excellent and recent (Dec., 2016) 
Wikipedia article on Small Black Holes, so that we can share a minimum 
background (sic);
2) Otto should please tell us his theory of why miniature black holes 
from any source should not Hawking evaporate after exhausting the matter 
within a Fermi distance, thus eliminating the possibility of further growth.

'Cheers',
Joseph

   - Original Message -
   *From:* PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
   
   *To:* fis@listas.unizar.es 
   *Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:06 PM
   *Subject:* [Fis] A Curious Story

   Dear FISers,

   Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions.
   I really hope that this Curious Story is just that, a curiosity.
   But in science we should not look for hopes but for arguments and
   counter-arguments...

   Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year!
   --Pedro



   
   *De:* Otto E. Rossler [oeros...@yahoo.com]
   *Enviado el:* miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017 17:51
   *Para:* PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
   *Asunto:* NY session
   --

   *A Curious Story*
   Otto E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany

   Maybe I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then
   make it even more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone says “I
   can save your house from a time bomb planted into the basement” and
   you respond by saying “I don’t care.” This curious story is taken
   from the Buddhist bible.
   It of course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a
   lunatic person claiming that he alone can save the planet from a
   time-bomb about to be planted into it. In that case, there would be
   no reason to worry. On the other hand, it could also be that you,
   the manager, are a bit high at the moment so that you don't fully
   appreciate the offer made to you. How serious is my offer herewith
   made to you today?
   I only say that for eight years' time already, there exists no
   counter-proof in the literature to my at first highly publicized
   proof of danger. I was able to demonstrate that the miniature black
   holes officially attempted to be produced at CERN do possess two
   radically new properties:

 * they cannot Hawking evaporate
 * they grow exponentially inside matter

   If these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing
   ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth near the town of Geneva
   means that the slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and
   grow there exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole
   after several of undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt
   of CERN's to produce them near Geneva is a bit curious.
   What is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one
   finds it curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The professor
   informs the candidate about the outcome of the oral exam with the
   following words “You are bound to laugh but you have flunked the
   test.” I never understood the punchline. I likewise cannot
   understand why a never refuted proof of the biggest danger of
   history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check an unattended
   piece of luggage on the airport called Earth?
   To my mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very
   reason that everyone finds it boring. A successful counter-proof
   would thus alleviate but a single person’s fears – mine. You, my
   dear reader, are thus my last hope that you might be able to explain
   the punch line to me: “Why is it that it does not matter downstairs
   that the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to learn why
   attempting planetocide is fun.  Are you not?

   For J.O.R.
   ---



   
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[Fis] Fwd: Re: A Curious Story

2017-01-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan 

From Alex Hankey

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Asunto: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
Fecha:  Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530
De: Alex Hankey 
Para:   PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ 



THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY AND 
SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.


On 5 January 2017 at 16:36, PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ 
> wrote:


   Dear FISers,

   Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions.
   I really hope that this Curious Story is just that, a curiosity.
   But in science we should not look for hopes but for arguments and
   counter-arguments...

   Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year!
   --Pedro



   
   *De:* Otto E. Rossler [oeros...@yahoo.com ]
   *Enviado el:* miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017 17:51
   *Para:* PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
   *Asunto:* NY session
   --

   *A Curious Story*
   Otto E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany

   Maybe I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then
   make it even more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone says “I
   can save your house from a time bomb planted into the basement” and
   you respond by saying “I don’t care.” This curious story is taken
   from the Buddhist bible.
   It of course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a
   lunatic person claiming that he alone can save the planet from a
   time-bomb about to be planted into it. In that case, there would be
   no reason to worry. On the other hand, it could also be that you,
   the manager, are a bit high at the moment so that you don't fully
   appreciate the offer made to you. How serious is my offer herewith
   made to you today?
   I only say that for eight years' time already, there exists no
   counter-proof in the literature to my at first highly publicized
   proof of danger. I was able to demonstrate that the miniature black
   holes officially attempted to be produced at CERN do possess two
   radically new properties:

 * they cannot Hawking evaporate
 * they grow exponentially inside matter

   If these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing
   ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth near the town of Geneva
   means that the slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and
   grow there exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole
   after several of undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt
   of CERN's to produce them near Geneva is a bit curious.
   What is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is the fact that no one
   finds it curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The professor
   informs the candidate about the outcome of the oral exam with the
   following words “You are bound to laugh but you have flunked the
   test.” I never understood the punchline. I likewise cannot
   understand why a never refuted proof of the biggest danger of
   history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT check an unattended
   piece of luggage on the airport called Earth?
   To my mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very
   reason that everyone finds it boring. A successful counter-proof
   would thus alleviate but a single person’s fears – mine. You, my
   dear reader, are thus my last hope that you might be able to explain
   the punch line to me: “Why is it that it does not matter downstairs
   that the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to learn why
   attempting planetocide is fun.  Are you not?

   For J.O.R.
   ---




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