Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
Hi Kevin, we are putting a new blog that hopefully will bring that kind of things in September. As the new blog will be spanish, that kind of entries will be posted in english as well. this is the URL: http://teamblog.codeoscopic.com/ I'll post here when we have a first entry on that stuff Thanks for your words about our work :) C. 2009/8/23 Kevin Mulvihill kbmulvih...@gmail.com I like the codeoscopic site and especially the transitions from section to section. Would you mind sharing some insights on how you put that together? General approach, that kind of stuff. Animations from one section to another are also very smooth. Nice work. Thanks, Kevin On 8/23/09 10:57 AM, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@gmail.com wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher,
[flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
Carlos I thought I'd have a look at your site and check it out. When I clicked on the drop down menu for languages and selected (I think it was the spanish flag), I got the following error: ArgumentError: Invalid address: null. at com.google.maps.services::ClientGeocoder/geocode() at com.google.maps.wrappers::IClientGeocoderWrapper/geocode() at com.codeoscopic.web.view.contact::MapComponent/onMapReady() at com.codeoscopic.web.view.contact::MapComponent/___MapComponent_Map1_mapevent_mapready() at MethodInfo-8995() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at mx.core::UIComponent/dispatchEvent() at com.google.maps.wrappers::BaseEventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.google.maps.wrappers::EventDispatcherWrapper/dispatchEvent() at com.google.maps.core::MapImpl/configureMap() at com.google.maps.wrappers::IMapWrapper/configureMap() at com.google.maps::Map/onBootstrapInitComplete() at com.google.maps::Map/onAdded() Just thought you'd like to know. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@... wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@... But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@... wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacquelin@ wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5hhttp://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developershttp://www.flextras.com?c=104 --http://www.theflexshow.comhttp://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
Thanks, that error is known and is caused by the workaround with google maps flex component and frameworks like papervision. We'll fix it in the upcoming days. Thanks for the report! :) 2009/8/24 valdhor valdhorli...@embarqmail.com Carlos I thought I'd have a look at your site and check it out. When I clicked on the drop down menu for languages and selected (I think it was the spanish flag), I got the following error: ArgumentError: Invalid address: null. at com.google.maps.services::ClientGeocoder/geocode() at com.google.maps.wrappers::IClientGeocoderWrapper/geocode() at com.codeoscopic.web.view.contact::MapComponent/onMapReady() at com.codeoscopic.web.view.contact::MapComponent/___MapComponent_Map1_mapevent_mapready() at MethodInfo-8995() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at mx.core::UIComponent/dispatchEvent() at com.google.maps.wrappers::BaseEventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.google.maps.wrappers::EventDispatcherWrapper/dispatchEvent() at com.google.maps.core::MapImpl/configureMap() at com.google.maps.wrappers::IMapWrapper/configureMap() at com.google.maps::Map/onBootstrapInitComplete() at com.google.maps::Map/onAdded() Just thought you'd like to know. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@... wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@... But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@... wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacquelin@ wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5hhttp://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developershttp://www.flextras.com?c=104 --http://www.theflexshow.comhttp://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
Hi, Carol: The codeoscopic is awesome and innovative. I'm inspired quite a lot from it. Look forward to some sharing of your excellent work in your new blog. Hope not in spain:) Thanks Ivan - Original Message - From: Carlos Rovira To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not Hi Kevin, we are putting a new blog that hopefully will bring that kind of things in September. As the new blog will be spanish, that kind of entries will be posted in english as well. this is the URL: http://teamblog.codeoscopic.com/ I'll post here when we have a first entry on that stuff Thanks for your words about our work :) C. 2009/8/23 Kevin Mulvihill kbmulvih...@gmail.com I like the codeoscopic site and especially the transitions from section to section. Would you mind sharing some insights on how you put that together? General approach, that kind of stuff. Animations from one section to another are also very smooth. Nice work. Thanks, Kevin On 8/23/09 10:57 AM, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@gmail.com wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher,
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5hhttp://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developershttp://www.flextras.com?c=104 --http://www.theflexshow.comhttp://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
I like the codeoscopic site and especially the transitions from section to section. Would you mind sharing some insights on how you put that together? General approach, that kind of stuff. Animations from one section to another are also very smooth. Nice work. Thanks, Kevin On 8/23/09 10:57 AM, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@gmail.com wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org .mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher,
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
Google doesn't index anything af the hash value (#) so this doesn't work in a larger more dynamic websites since it looks like all content is provided in the single HTML source. I'm also dubious of Google indexing content inside of a SWF since I haven't seen any sites that are full-flash enabled with this...though I would love to see some! :) IMO for SEO, HTML is the easiest way to achieve it. Flash/Flex makes things difficult but achievable. SWFAddress uses a nice technique but I've also heard good things about the Gaia Framework. A site I am working on currently uses the SWFAddress technique where you provide an SEO friendly URL and then redirect to the hash value URL. For example: SEO URL: http://www.yourdomain.com/us/catalog/some-product/ SWFAddress URL: http://www.yourdomain.com/us/catalog/#/someproduct/ Kris On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Carlos Roviracarlos.rov...@gmail.com wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers http://www.flextras.com?c=104 -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
If I were building a site, rather than an app in Flash, this is what I'd do: 1) All data exposed as 3 forks: #1: mydomain/xml/my/content/url #2: mydomain/xhtml/my/content/url #3: mydomain/flash#/my/content/url 2) Flash pulls all data from #1 3) #2 is an XSLT transform (or templating engine, whatever) using the exact same data as #1 4) Have /index make a guess based on capabilities, and redirect. 5) Allow the user to choose a different fork, easily enough. Remember this choice with a long-life cookie. 6) Add link rel=/ elements in all 3 forks, pointing to the same content in the other two forks. 7) Have a good long hard think about if you really need to do this. Flex is for apps, not sites. Just not being able to middle-click a link and open a new tab is really flaming annoying for users :) -Josh 2009/8/24 kris range krisra...@gmail.com Google doesn't index anything af the hash value (#) so this doesn't work in a larger more dynamic websites since it looks like all content is provided in the single HTML source. I'm also dubious of Google indexing content inside of a SWF since I haven't seen any sites that are full-flash enabled with this...though I would love to see some! :) IMO for SEO, HTML is the easiest way to achieve it. Flash/Flex makes things difficult but achievable. SWFAddress uses a nice technique but I've also heard good things about the Gaia Framework. A site I am working on currently uses the SWFAddress technique where you provide an SEO friendly URL and then redirect to the hash value URL. For example: SEO URL: http://www.yourdomain.com/us/catalog/some-product/ SWFAddress URL: http://www.yourdomain.com/us/catalog/#/someproduct/ Kris On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Carlos Roviracarlos.rov...@gmail.comcarlos.rovira%40gmail.com wrote: You could go with a full flex site that support SEO. We did it with our site at Codeoscopic: http://www.codeoscopic.com but we as well use html to get the SEO capabilities, so you get the best of both worlds ;) for example try to search for codeoscopic avant and you get something like : http://www.google.es/search?q=codeoscopic+avantie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a you can see the web in other devices not flash enabled like iPhone C. 2009/8/22 Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com jeff%40dot-com-it.com But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edugarym%40byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers http://www.flextras.com?c=104 -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald - j...@joshmcdonald.info - http://twitter.com/sophistifunk - http://flex.joshmcdonald.info/
[flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher,
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
This presentation mentions no network access (yet) and no sockets - This probably means that amf based flex apps will not be indexed. I am not sure though, anybody with more info is welcome to comment On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Nate Beck n...@tldstudio.com wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net -- Fotis Chatzinikos, Ph.D. Founder, Phinnovation fotis.chatzini...@gmail.com,
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Full flex site or not
But, it is largely believed that google does not yet offer a way to search the swf content it is indexing. Can you provide me one example that says otherwise? Ryan Stewart had a contest, which just fizzled because no one could get their SWF to show up in a Google search. Has that improved? Nate Beck wrote: Google already indexes SWF content, they talked about it at MAX last November. Here is a recording of the presentation: http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f15384v1000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:09 AM, toofah_gm ga...@byu.edu mailto:ga...@byu.edu wrote: If you are a competitor of mine, build a full flex site, otherwise HTML is the way to go for SEO. ;) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, christophe_jacquelin christophe_jacque...@... wrote: Hello, Is it better to make a full flex site or is it better to add some html pages with flex to have a better position in Google ? Thank you, Christopher, -- Cheers, Nate http://blog.natebeck.net http://blog.natebeck.net -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers http://www.flextras.com?c=104 -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
