Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
On Thursday 18 January 2007 19:29, Matt Chotin wrote: There is no technical requirement for FDS, we primarily thought we weren't going to charge FDS customers *more* to add testing support for now. Ah, right, cheers for looking into this. I can understand people who've plumbed for FDS not having to pay more, but that's different to people who don't have FDS wanting to use QTP :-) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly maintain integrated systems This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
Will it not run against FDS lite single cpu (Free)? Rich On 1/18/07, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Given QTP's cost without any Adobe involvement it struck us that most customers who wanted to use the QTP plugin would probably be enterprises who would also be interested in FDS. We've been pleasantly surprised to see the interest from folks who seem to be able to afford QTP but can't afford an FDS license J We are beginning to investigate what options we might be able to come up with, but the FDS license requirement will continue in the near-term. If you need a trial license you can contact me off-list, but you must be willing to accept future sales contact J Matt -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tariq Ahmed *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy Man, I've been so busy with work I'm struggling to stay connected with the rest of the world, but my eye caught this subject as it's been something we've been holding off on QA Automation for 1.5yrs now in lieu of this ability... I have to second Lance's dismay. QTP costs an arm and a leg. There's no way I'm going to be able to convince the customer to dump $10K on QTP (when there are better QA automation tools out there such as Seapine's QA Wizard), and then even more dough on FDS? I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, not a requirement. I just want to be able to simulate a user going through various use test cases, and being able to report on if the interface functioned as expected. The Flex client communicates with whatever it communicates with on the backend like normal, and QTP is just a desktop tool... so I'm not even sure where FDS even comes into play. Maybe I'm overreacting and perhaps don't have the full details, but for those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new feature/function/ability you still have to assume you need to throw huge amts of money at it, and low cost/feasible solutions seem to be more of a surprise bonus still. I'm sure Adobe is like...there he goes again, Tariq and his typical shenanigans is causing grief! :) But I got to stick up for the little guy too! Lance Linder wrote: You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough and now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin without FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder. I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I probably never will. Lance *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *João Fernandes *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in? The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental or enterprise version. João Fernandes *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com
RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
Noup, Youll need a FDS serial number (Dep or Ent). There is also the other side which Matt didnt mention, those who afforded a FDS license but dont have a QTP one. I could convince (not easy) my company to acquire the FDS upgrade but asking now a QTP license João Fernandes From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Tretola Sent: 18 January 2007 09:46 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy Will it not run against FDS lite single cpu (Free)? Rich On 1/18/07, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Given QTP's cost without any Adobe involvement it struck us that most customers who wanted to use the QTP plugin would probably be enterprises who would also be interested in FDS. We've been pleasantly surprised to see the interest from folks who seem to be able to afford QTP but can't afford an FDS license J We are beginning to investigate what options we might be able to come up with, but the FDS license requirement will continue in the near-term. If you need a trial license you can contact me off-list, but you must be willing to accept future sales contact J Matt _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@ mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tariq Ahmed Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy Man, I've been so busy with work I'm struggling to stay connected with the rest of the world, but my eye caught this subject as it's been something we've been holding off on QA Automation for 1.5yrs now in lieu of this ability... I have to second Lance's dismay. QTP costs an arm and a leg. There's no way I'm going to be able to convince the customer to dump $10K on QTP (when there are better QA automation tools out there such as Seapine's QA Wizard), and then even more dough on FDS? I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, not a requirement. I just want to be able to simulate a user going through various use test cases, and being able to report on if the interface functioned as expected. The Flex client communicates with whatever it communicates with on the backend like normal, and QTP is just a desktop tool... so I'm not even sure where FDS even comes into play. Maybe I'm overreacting and perhaps don't have the full details, but for those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new feature/function/ability you still have to assume you need to throw huge amts of money at it, and low cost/feasible solutions seem to be more of a surprise bonus still. I'm sure Adobe is like...there he goes again, Tariq and his typical shenanigans is causing grief! :) But I got to stick up for the little guy too! Lance Linder wrote: You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough and now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin without FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder. I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I probably never will. Lance From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com http://ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João Fernandes Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in? The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental or enterprise version. João Fernandes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 19:20, Tariq Ahmed wrote: I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, You'd have thought so. those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new That was certainly the way Flex was sold initaly remember. I think things have changed, and Adobe probably have a fairly sound reason for requiring FDS (async command push to the and pull from player maybe). -- Tom Chiverton Helping to administratively benchmark best-of-breed e-tailers This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
There is no technical requirement for FDS, we primarily thought we weren't going to charge FDS customers *more* to add testing support for now. I admit it's possible we misjudged the size of the potential audience and we are investigating future alternatives. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy On Wednesday 17 January 2007 19:20, Tariq Ahmed wrote: I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, You'd have thought so. those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new That was certainly the way Flex was sold initaly remember. I think things have changed, and Adobe probably have a fairly sound reason for requiring FDS (async command push to the and pull from player maybe). -- Tom Chiverton Helping to administratively benchmark best-of-breed e-tailers This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
Thanks for looking out for us Matt! Even though I would love to license FDS it's just that we don't have an immediate need for FDS and it is a lot of extra $$ to spend just to get the QTP plug-in J Hope to see some more licensing options in the future! Thanks, Lance From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:30 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy There is no technical requirement for FDS, we primarily thought we weren't going to charge FDS customers *more* to add testing support for now. I admit it's possible we misjudged the size of the potential audience and we are investigating future alternatives. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy On Wednesday 17 January 2007 19:20, Tariq Ahmed wrote: I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, You'd have thought so. those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new That was certainly the way Flex was sold initaly remember. I think things have changed, and Adobe probably have a fairly sound reason for requiring FDS (async command push to the and pull from player maybe). -- Tom Chiverton Helping to administratively benchmark best-of-breed e-tailers This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy
Hi all, Given QTP's cost without any Adobe involvement it struck us that most customers who wanted to use the QTP plugin would probably be enterprises who would also be interested in FDS. We've been pleasantly surprised to see the interest from folks who seem to be able to afford QTP but can't afford an FDS license :-) We are beginning to investigate what options we might be able to come up with, but the FDS license requirement will continue in the near-term. If you need a trial license you can contact me off-list, but you must be willing to accept future sales contact :-) Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tariq Ahmed Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy Man, I've been so busy with work I'm struggling to stay connected with the rest of the world, but my eye caught this subject as it's been something we've been holding off on QA Automation for 1.5yrs now in lieu of this ability... I have to second Lance's dismay. QTP costs an arm and a leg. There's no way I'm going to be able to convince the customer to dump $10K on QTP (when there are better QA automation tools out there such as Seapine's QA Wizard), and then even more dough on FDS? I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, not a requirement. I just want to be able to simulate a user going through various use test cases, and being able to report on if the interface functioned as expected. The Flex client communicates with whatever it communicates with on the backend like normal, and QTP is just a desktop tool... so I'm not even sure where FDS even comes into play. Maybe I'm overreacting and perhaps don't have the full details, but for those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new feature/function/ability you still have to assume you need to throw huge amts of money at it, and low cost/feasible solutions seem to be more of a surprise bonus still. I'm sure Adobe is like...there he goes again, Tariq and his typical shenanigans is causing grief! :) But I got to stick up for the little guy too! Lance Linder wrote: You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough and now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin without FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder. I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I probably never will. Lance From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João Fernandes Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in? The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental or enterprise version. João Fernandes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fusproduct=flex download the Flex Automation Package (bottom of the page). Is FDS necessary for this (and Express won't do)?
RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?
The docs say that youll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental or enterprise version. João Fernandes From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chuvakgu Sent: 15 January 2007 19:39 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in? http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fus http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fusproduct=flex product=flex download the Flex Automation Package (bottom of the page). Is FDS necessary for this (and Express won't do)?
RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?
You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough and now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin without FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder. I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I probably never will. Lance From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João Fernandes Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in? The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental or enterprise version. João Fernandes From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chuvakgu Sent: 15 January 2007 19:39 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in? http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fusproduct=flex download the Flex Automation Package (bottom of the page). Is FDS necessary for this (and Express won't do)?
