Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Amy wrote: I've been applying for Flex jobs lately and finding that, whether the posting includes .net experience or not, they pretty much automatically eliminate you if you don't have it. It would seem to me to be self- evident that if you can pick up any backend technology and Flex that .net is unlikely to be beyond your reach. But that's not how the people filling these jobs think, unfortunately. I personally find it Awkward that employers are expecting server-side programming expertise along with front-end programming expertise, like Flex. Hopefully they're willing to shell out serious capital for that skill set. - jon
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
On Friday 15 Aug 2008, Jon Bradley wrote: I personally find it Awkward that employers are expecting server-side programming expertise along with front-end programming expertise, like Flex. I think it's just a way of making sure they get someone with serious programming skills, rather than an arts student who knows a bit of ActionScript. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Amy wrote: I've been applying for Flex jobs lately and finding that, whether the posting includes .net experience or not, they pretty much automatically eliminate you if you don't have it. It would seem to me to be self- evident that if you can pick up any backend technology and Flex that .net is unlikely to be beyond your reach. But that's not how the people filling these jobs think, unfortunately. I personally find it Awkward that employers are expecting server- side programming expertise along with front-end programming expertise, like Flex. Hopefully they're willing to shell out serious capital for that skill set. The ironic part is, no they're not!
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
On Wednesday 13 Aug 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey including advertisements in your RIAs? Woa ! Whaaa !?! As if there isn't enough junk adverts on the internet, AdBlock be praised... Application Control features Planning a RIA shop like what Apple does with iPhone apps ? You could tie it into AIR a bit like what Central did... analytics service... Given you can easily hook into Google Analytics from Flex, for free, I fail to see why anyone would pay for this service, or not just plain build it themselves. Interesting that privacy is mentioned for 'roll your own' but not for using a commercial agregator which is probably where most* people *do* have concerns. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
Yeah that was the feeling I got from it as well Tom. This seemed aimed at marketers and advertisers rather than Enterprise. Gk. Gregor Kiddie Senior Developer INPS Tel: 01382 564343 Registered address: The Bread Factory, 1a Broughton Street, London SW8 3QJ Registered Number: 1788577 Registered in the UK Visit our Internet Web site at www.inps.co.uk The information in this internet email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access, copying or re-use of information in it by anyone else is not authorised. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of INPS or any of its affiliates. If you are not the intended recipient please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: 14 August 2008 10:27 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey On Wednesday 13 Aug 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey including advertisements in your RIAs? Woa ! Whaaa !?! As if there isn't enough junk adverts on the internet, AdBlock be praised... Application Control features Planning a RIA shop like what Apple does with iPhone apps ? You could tie it into AIR a bit like what Central did... analytics service... Given you can easily hook into Google Analytics from Flex, for free, I fail to see why anyone would pay for this service, or not just plain build it themselves. Interesting that privacy is mentioned for 'roll your own' but not for using a commercial agregator which is probably where most* people *do* have concerns. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
Done so, thanks. We have always had a bit of an issue regarding licencing of AIR apps / copy protection etc, so It's good to see the questions asked. I'm a bit dissapointed about the US only sweepstake though! (We're UK based, though do have operations and staff in the US...) -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: 13 August 2008 20:35 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. Matt __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
Yeah, we're admittedly lazy on getting sweepstakes to work internationally, they are very expensive for us to set up I think because of all the legal issues. On 8/14/08 3:55 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done so, thanks. We have always had a bit of an issue regarding licencing of AIR apps / copy protection etc, so It's good to see the questions asked. I'm a bit dissapointed about the US only sweepstake though! (We're UK based, though do have operations and staff in the US...) -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: 13 August 2008 20:35 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. Matt __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
- Original Message - From: Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Yeah, we're admittedly lazy on getting sweepstakes to work internationally, they are very expensive for us to set up I think because of all the legal issues. Nah, save yourself the hassle. Just post an Ipod to every non-US developer.. LOL On 8/14/08 3:55 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done so, thanks. We have always had a bit of an issue regarding licencing of AIR apps / copy protection etc, so It's good to see the questions asked. I'm a bit dissapointed about the US only sweepstake though! (We're UK based, though do have operations and staff in the US...) -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: 13 August 2008 20:35 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. Matt __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
I can see how that would be an issue (having done similar promotions back in my pre programming marketing days). -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Matt Chotin Sent: Thu 14/08/2008 18:10 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Yeah, we're admittedly lazy on getting sweepstakes to work internationally, they are very expensive for us to set up I think because of all the legal issues. On 8/14/08 3:55 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done so, thanks. We have always had a bit of an issue regarding licencing of AIR apps / copy protection etc, so It's good to see the questions asked. I'm a bit dissapointed about the US only sweepstake though! (We're UK based, though do have operations and staff in the US...) -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: 13 August 2008 20:35 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. Matt __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __winmail.dat
[flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
O, I am doing it too. But I am using an ASP page as just a connector between a front-end and a back-end. The real stuff is going in the com servers that are called from an asp page. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Matt Chotin mchotin@ wrote: Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. I notice you don't have an option for ASP classic. Are you assuming that no one uses this anymore? I'd be interested in seeing if I'm the only one still doing this. -Amy
[flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. Matt
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
- Original Message - From: Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. There's got to be some irony about Adobe offering a prize from a company that is reluctant to allow Adobes developers onto their phone. Just as well the draw isn't for an iPhone dontTouch for non US developers to not be entered in.. ;-) Matt
[flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er, hit send too early. Hey all, We've got another survey out as we try to determine what tools and services are going to be appealing as part of future work here at Adobe. Would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and fill it out. http://www.adobe.com/go/devsurvey For those in the US there is a raffle for a 32GB Apple iPod Touch. I notice you don't have an option for ASP classic. Are you assuming that no one uses this anymore? I'd be interested in seeing if I'm the only one still doing this. -Amy
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
I notice you don't have an option for ASP classic. Are you assuming that no one uses this anymore? I'd be interested in seeing if I'm the only one still doing this. Not at all, Amy. I prefer ASP Classic also .. but Flex has most definitely ignored this supposedly fading but still widely used server model. It's a pain to have to learn something else just for this purpose when I use ASP for everything else. The truth is, whether or not Microsoft is going to ignore it in the future, it does work with IIS and will for years to come. I've done a few things with PHP and it's not too bad .. Nancy
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
For the survey purposes it's probably an oversight, though since Microsoft is definitely moving on from it I don't think there are new folks actively using it. We're biased too since Mark Anders who helped lead ASP.NET is here :-) Matt On 8/13/08 4:01 PM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice you don't have an option for ASP classic. Are you assuming that no one uses this anymore? I'd be interested in seeing if I'm the only one still doing this. Not at all, Amy. I prefer ASP Classic also .. but Flex has most definitely ignored this supposedly fading but still widely used server model. It's a pain to have to learn something else just for this purpose when I use ASP for everything else. The truth is, whether or not Microsoft is going to ignore it in the future, it does work with IIS and will for years to come. I've done a few things with PHP and it's not too bad .. Nancy
[flexcoders] Re: Take the latest Adobe Developer Survey
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice you don't have an option for ASP classic. Are you assuming that no one uses this anymore? I'd be interested in seeing if I'm the only one still doing this. Not at all, Amy. I prefer ASP Classic also .. but Flex has most definitely ignored this supposedly fading but still widely used server model. It's a pain to have to learn something else just for this purpose when I use ASP for everything else. The truth is, whether or not Microsoft is going to ignore it in the future, it does work with IIS and will for years to come. I've done a few things with PHP and it's not too bad .. Nancy I've been applying for Flex jobs lately and finding that, whether the posting includes .net experience or not, they pretty much automatically eliminate you if you don't have it. It would seem to me to be self- evident that if you can pick up any backend technology and Flex that .net is unlikely to be beyond your reach. But that's not how the people filling these jobs think, unfortunately. -Amy
