RE: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
Hello,
Just catching up on some threads from the vacation
period.
a) You don't need OpenAMF if you are using Flex 1.5.
Flex 1.5 comes with AMF (Remoting) fully integrated.
b) The Trial version reverts to an IP limited developer
edition after 60 or 90 days, but no functionality goes away.You should be
fine.
c) Pricing:
* If you go into production with Flex 1.5 vs 2.0 there are
some differences in the options you have.
* It sounds like you want to embed Flex into an application
that you are selling to multiple customers--eg into a software product. If
so, we have ISV pricing for embedding Flex that is custom based on what you are
doing.
* If you are building a custom application, Flex 1.5 is
based on per CPU pricing, for the CPUs on which the application is
running.
* I can connect you with a sales rep who can help you
figure out what it might cost if you ping me offline (and ideally provide a
little more context.)
* Lastly, if you are planning to ship say, in the 2nd half
of this calander year, it *may* be in your interest to ultimately build with
Flex 2. There are many advantages to the Flex 2 product line, but since it
isn't shipping yet you need to evaluate it in the context of your delivery
schedule. If you build with Flex 2.0, the tool and framework will be sold
on a per developer seat basis, for under $1000. There are no runtime
charges at all in this case. The server (Flex Enterprise Services)
includes both RPC services and Data Services, and a messaging backbone,
depending on your needs it may be very valuable for your application or it may
not. If you do use it, it will be sold both on an embedded basis and on a
per CPU basis as above. Again, I can connect you to a sales rep if you would
like more information.
Hope this helps,
David
Adobe
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce
CichowlasSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:47 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard
time understanding what features are available to whom when and
how
That's very informative. I'll be trying it soon.I did
install Tomcat and Flex 1.5 in the way that you suggested and confirmed that
it was running properly with the samples. I've also looked through some
of the 1.5 examples and found it encouraging. I have part of my app that
I initially built in 2.0 under Eclipse which I need to move back into the 1.5
environment.I'm finding the OpenAMF stuff a bit confusing. I've
been studying http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000186.cfm
and hope that it is relevant. I'm wondering if I have to read up on
Flash, but perhaps not.So what I'm going to attempt next is to Flex to
download the initial colors from the server using OpenAMF, add some
rudimentary controls to the Flex page to change the colors and another button
to write them back to the server. If I can get that to work today, I
will think that Flex 1.5 will most likely get me through this demo.I'm
still wondering whether I will run up against trial deadline limits on the
demo products I am using that will get. I also have to figure out what
to tell the potential investors about how much the use of Flex will add to the
cost of the production product. Thanks for your help,Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dude, that is so easy. You
just:
- import each graphic into Flash
- give it an instance name
- modify the code I posted to do:
var c:Color = new
Color(targetState);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
That'll set it red, and ONLY it. If you
have the graphic as a PNG or GIF (transparency intact), it'll color just the
shape with nice edges.
You could do the same in Flex as well, just
embed the images:
[Embed(source="maine.png")]
var main_png:String;
mx:Image id="main_png_img"
source="{main_png}" /
And set the color the same way:
var c:Color = new
Color(main_png_img);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
Flash, Flex... either one. Additionally,
Bline Express created a pretty phat USA Map component with all 50
states. Methods already exist in it to set colors, know which state
you clicked on, etc. It's written for Flash 6, but you could easily
load that into a Flex Loader, and use proxy functions to call the Flash 6
methods in the externally loaded SWF.
Bring it.
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your
suggestion would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background
color. Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
I'm wondering which of the ways to implement the color-changing irregular shapes might work or whether I should be learning to do something custom with Flash, such as making a movie in which the irregular shape changes between the eight colors. I don't know enough about using Flash controls within Flex to know whether that is an appropriate and feasible idea or not. Thanks,BruceOn 12/28/05, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the problem? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Bruce CichowlasAffirm TechSoftware Development and Consultinghttp://www.affirmtech.com [EMAIL PROTECTED](508)-904-6122 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your suggestion would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background color. Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a map. I want to be able to control the color of each state to be one of eight colors.
I can see a few approaches. One would be to treat the whole map of New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the individual state, perhaps on a pixel by pixel basis. I suppose that could work, but it would be tedious.
Another way would be to have a graphic object of each state with a transparent background and then overlay them appropriately in their appropriate positions. However, the color I would have to then change would be the foreground object color and I don't know that there is a simple way to do that. I could, perhaps, supply eight graphics for each state and then switch between them using _javascript_ to alter the DHTML. That might be feasible for six states, but if the map included all fifty states, I would need at least 50 * 8 graphic objects to use that approach.
A third way might be to somehow use areamaps and regions, but I don't know if that would result in DHTML where I could easily recolor a region.What do you think would work?Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can help with #3.
Here's a sample:
?xml version=1.0
encoding=utf-8?mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml
initialize=initApp()mx:Script![CDATA[import
mx.controls.ComboBox;private function
initApp():Void{var color_str:String =
color_cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle(backgroundColor,
color_str); }private function
setColor(event:Object):Void{var cb:ComboBox =
ComboBox(event.target);var color_str:String =
cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle(backgroundColor,
color_str);
}]]/mx:Scriptmx:FormItem
label=Colors:mx:ComboBoxid=color_cbchange=setColor(event)mx:dataProvidermx:Arraymx:String0x00/mx:String
mx:String0x66/mx:Stringmx:String0x66/mx:String/mx:Array/mx:dataProvider/mx:ComboBox/mx:FormItemmx:Box
id=colorMe_boxborderStyle=solidwidth=100
height=100/
/mx:Application
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce
Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this
interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 . Do
you know of a working example of this somewhere? I'm not sure what I would
code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server side to
make it compatible and synchronize. I'm also wondering whether
everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it takes
or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or another to
continue development. I also need to know how to explain the production
operational costs to a potential investor. Potentially this is an
application run by large companies on their own servers for many subscribers.
And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how to implement
these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need to change to
one of a number of colors. I'd probably be able to answer that by myself
if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited to having run
through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash. I know that's a
lot of questions.Thanks,Bruce
On 12/27/05, Matt
Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the
nextmonth though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff. For
RemoteObject in2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many
folks will behappy to point out you could also just expose your Java
objects via aWebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in
the 2.0samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference). The
Flex 2 alphawill hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not
actually befunctional in your configuration.Matt
-Original
Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of JesterXLSent: Tuesday,
December 27, 2005 4:39 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders]
Having hard time understanding what featuresare available to whom when and
howI cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my
suggestions.- assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat- download
Flex 1.5 demo- install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5- copy
and paste the flex.war samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps
directoryHit the samples page to ensure all is well. On
mine, it's:http://localhost:8080/samples/I've yet to get Flex 2
to work with Remoting + AMFPHP. Considering AMF(the binary
format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is undergoing
big changes, OpenAMF
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
Dude, that is so easy. You just:
- import each graphic into Flash
- give it an instance name
- modify the code I posted to do:
var c:Color = new Color(targetState);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
That'll set it red, and ONLY it. If you have
the graphic as a PNG or GIF (transparency intact), it'll color just the shape
with nice edges.
You could do the same in Flex as well, just embed
the images:
[Embed(source="maine.png")]
var main_png:String;
mx:Image id="main_png_img" source="{main_png}"
/
And set the color the same way:
var c:Color = new Color(main_png_img);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
Flash, Flex... either one. Additionally,
Bline Express created a pretty phat USA Map component with all 50 states.
Methods already exist in it to set colors, know which state you clicked on,
etc. It's written for Flash 6, but you could easily load that into a Flex
Loader, and use proxy functions to call the Flash 6 methods in the externally
loaded SWF.
Bring it.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce
Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your suggestion
would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background color.
Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a map. I want
to be able to control the color of each state to be one of eight colors.
I can see a few approaches. One would be to treat the whole map of
New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the individual state, perhaps
on a pixel by pixel basis. I suppose that could work, but it would be
tedious. Another way would be to have a graphic object of each state
with a transparent background and then overlay them appropriately in their
appropriate positions. However, the color I would have to then change
would be the foreground object color and I don't know that there is a simple way
to do that. I could, perhaps, supply eight graphics for each state and
then switch between them using _javascript_ to alter the DHTML. That might
be feasible for six states, but if the map included all fifty states, I would
need at least 50 * 8 graphic objects to use that approach. A third way
might be to somehow use areamaps and regions, but I don't know if that would
result in DHTML where I could easily recolor a region.What do you think
would work?Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can help with #3.
Here's a sample:
?xml version="1.0"
encoding="utf-8"?mx:Application xmlns:mx="http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml
"initialize="initApp()"mx:Script![CDATA[import
mx.controls.ComboBox;private function
initApp():Void{var color_str:String =
color_cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle("backgroundColor",
color_str); }private function
setColor(event:Object):Void{var cb:ComboBox =
ComboBox(event.target);var color_str:String =
cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle("backgroundColor",
color_str);
}]]/mx:Scriptmx:FormItem
label="Colors:"mx:ComboBoxid="color_cb"change="setColor(event)"mx:dataProvidermx:Arraymx:String0x00/mx:String
mx:String0x66/mx:Stringmx:String0x66/mx:String/mx:Array/mx:dataProvider/mx:ComboBox/mx:FormItemmx:Box
id="colorMe_box"borderStyle="solid"width="100"
height="100"/
/mx:Application
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this
interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 . Do
you know of a working example of this somewhere? I'm not sure what I
would code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server
side to make it compatible and synchronize. I'm also wondering whether
everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it
takes or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or
another to continue development. I also need to know how to explain the
production operational costs to a potential investor. Potentially this
is an application run by large companies on their own servers for many
subscribers. And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how
to implement these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need
to change to one of a number of colors. I'd probably be able to answer
that by myself if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited
to having run through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash.
I know that's a lot of questions.Thanks,Bruce
On 12/27/05, Matt
Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
That's very informative. I'll be trying it soon.I did install Tomcat and Flex 1.5 in the way that you suggested and confirmed that it was running properly with the samples. I've also looked through some of the 1.5
examples and found it encouraging. I have part of my app that I initially built in 2.0 under Eclipse which I need to move back into the 1.5 environment.I'm finding the OpenAMF stuff a bit confusing. I've been studying
http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000186.cfm and hope that it is relevant. I'm wondering if I have to read up on Flash, but perhaps not.
So what I'm going to attempt next is to Flex to download the initial colors from the server using OpenAMF, add some rudimentary controls to the Flex page to change the colors and another button to write them back to the server. If I can get that to work today, I will think that Flex
1.5 will most likely get me through this demo.I'm still wondering whether I will run up against trial deadline limits on the demo products I am using that will get. I also have to figure out what to tell the potential investors about how much the use of Flex will add to the cost of the production product.
Thanks for your help,BruceOn 12/28/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dude, that is so easy. You just:
- import each graphic into Flash
- give it an instance name
- modify the code I posted to do:
var c:Color = new Color(targetState);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
That'll set it red, and ONLY it. If you have
the graphic as a PNG or GIF (transparency intact), it'll color just the shape
with nice edges.
You could do the same in Flex as well, just embed
the images:
[Embed(source=maine.png)]
var main_png:String;
mx:Image id=main_png_img source={main_png}
/
And set the color the same way:
var c:Color = new Color(main_png_img);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
Flash, Flex... either one. Additionally,
Bline Express created a pretty phat USA Map component with all 50 states.
Methods already exist in it to set colors, know which state you clicked on,
etc. It's written for Flash 6, but you could easily load that into a Flex
Loader, and use proxy functions to call the Flash 6 methods in the externally
loaded SWF.
Bring it.
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce
Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your suggestion
would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background color.
Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a map. I want
to be able to control the color of each state to be one of eight colors.
I can see a few approaches. One would be to treat the whole map of
New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the individual state, perhaps
on a pixel by pixel basis. I suppose that could work, but it would be
tedious. Another way would be to have a graphic object of each state
with a transparent background and then overlay them appropriately in their
appropriate positions. However, the color I would have to then change
would be the foreground object color and I don't know that there is a simple way
to do that. I could, perhaps, supply eight graphics for each state and
then switch between them using _javascript_ to alter the DHTML. That might
be feasible for six states, but if the map included all fifty states, I would
need at least 50 * 8 graphic objects to use that approach. A third way
might be to somehow use areamaps and regions, but I don't know if that would
result in DHTML where I could easily recolor a region.What do you think
would work?Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can help with #3.
Here's a sample:
?xml version=1.0
encoding=utf-8?mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml
initialize=initApp()mx:Script![CDATA[import
mx.controls.ComboBox;private function
initApp():Void{var color_str:String =
color_cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle(backgroundColor,
color_str); }private function
setColor(event:Object):Void{var cb:ComboBox =
ComboBox(event.target);var color_str:String =
cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle(backgroundColor,
color_str);
}]]/mx:Scriptmx:FormItem
label=Colors:mx:ComboBoxid=color_cbchange=setColor(event)mx:dataProvidermx:Arraymx:String0x00/mx:String
mx:String0x66/mx:Stringmx:String0x66/mx:String/mx:Array/mx:dataProvider/mx:ComboBox/mx:FormItem
mx:Box
id=colorMe_boxborderStyle=solidwidth=100
height=100/
/mx:Application
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this
interaction as
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
OpenAMF is one ornery )($*%. I don't mind
things being strict, but without helpful error messages, it's hard to get
right. I agree with Darron, though, once you get OpenAMF working, it's
pretty good in terms of performance. Getting ValueObjects to match was
always a battle with me the Java developer getting it exactly right with
OpenAMF.
Isn't the demo a 60 day trial? If so, you'll
be near the end of February. A new build of Flex 2 should definately be
out by then. I believe Flex server will revert to only allowing1 IP
then, but will still work. What won't is FlexBulider, but you don't
necessarely need FlexBuilder; a lot of people on this list use Eclipse, Oxygen,
BBEdit, Vim, and Emacs. I believe you can actually call negotiate
with Macrome... er, Adobe sales and get your FlexBuilder license
extended.
You can also apply for a Non-commercial Flex
license if you are a blogger or like to show off technology.
Still, I think Flex 2 will hopefully have a new
build out by then, and going from Flex 1.5 Flex 2 is a lot easier than the
other way around with more benefit.
Not sure about production costs, others on the list
should be able to help with that one.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce
Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
That's very informative. I'll be trying it soon.I
did install Tomcat and Flex 1.5 in the way that you suggested and confirmed that
it was running properly with the samples. I've also looked through some of
the 1.5 examples and found it encouraging. I have part of my app that I
initially built in 2.0 under Eclipse which I need to move back into the 1.5
environment.I'm finding the OpenAMF stuff a bit confusing. I've
been studying http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000186.cfm
and hope that it is relevant. I'm wondering if I have to read up on Flash,
but perhaps not.So what I'm going to attempt next is to Flex to download
the initial colors from the server using OpenAMF, add some rudimentary controls
to the Flex page to change the colors and another button to write them back to
the server. If I can get that to work today, I will think that Flex 1.5
will most likely get me through this demo.I'm still wondering whether I
will run up against trial deadline limits on the demo products I am using that
will get. I also have to figure out what to tell the potential investors
about how much the use of Flex will add to the cost of the production product.
Thanks for your help,Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dude, that is so easy. You
just:
- import each graphic into Flash
- give it an instance name
- modify the code I posted to do:
var c:Color = new
Color(targetState);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
That'll set it red, and ONLY it. If you
have the graphic as a PNG or GIF (transparency intact), it'll color just the
shape with nice edges.
You could do the same in Flex as well, just embed
the images:
[Embed(source="maine.png")]
var main_png:String;
mx:Image id="main_png_img"
source="{main_png}" /
And set the color the same way:
var c:Color = new
Color(main_png_img);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
Flash, Flex... either one. Additionally,
Bline Express created a pretty phat USA Map component with all 50
states. Methods already exist in it to set colors, know which state you
clicked on, etc. It's written for Flash 6, but you could easily load
that into a Flex Loader, and use proxy functions to call the Flash 6 methods
in the externally loaded SWF.
Bring it.
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your
suggestion would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background
color. Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a
map. I want to be able to control the color of each state to be one of
eight colors. I can see a few approaches. One would be to treat
the whole map of New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the
individual state, perhaps on a pixel by pixel basis. I suppose that
could work, but it would be tedious. Another way would be to have a
graphic object of each state with a transparent background and then overlay
them appropriately in their appropriate positions. However, the color I
would have to then change would be the foreground object color and I don't
know that there is a simple way to do that. I could, perhaps, supply
eight graphics for each state and then switch between them using _javascript_ to
alter the DHTML. That might be feasible for six states,
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
I cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my suggestions. - assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat - download Flex 1.5 demo - install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5 - copy and paste the flex.war samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps directory Hit the samples page to ensure all is well. On mine, it's: http://localhost:8080/samples/ I've yet to get Flex 2 to work with Remoting + AMFPHP. Considering AMF (the binary format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is undergoing big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't really work yet. I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the CFAdapter, but I don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code it). Some have reported success with the WebService/HTTPService. Me? I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works great. At night, I moonlight in Flex 2, but she's still alpha, so we have a ways to go. The bad news is, for those client developers (like me) who only care about the client, Flex 1.5 has the server requirement. However, you can still snag SWF's off of the server once compiled as well as to show clients of what's possible. Good news, she works great, HTTPService (GET/POST) works, WebService works, and RemoteObject works with AMFPHP, OpenAMF, and ColdFusion. Hope that helps some. Feel free to post more questions. - Original Message - From: BCichowlas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how Hi! I'm an independent developer trying to put together an RIA demo for potential investors in a proposed enterprise. This proposed enterprise is not a software company but would make heavy use of an RIA application. My most reasonable choices seem to be Flex, Laszlo or Ajax (in its many variations). I spent the last week with the Iteration Two Flex book, downloading what is available freely to developers from the Macromedia/Adobe site. As part of my demo, I need to be able to change the color of irregular small shapes. The shapes themselves are known in advance and don't change. For the sake of discussion, it is as if I had an outline of New England, divided into the six New England states and I wanted to be able to choose one of eight colors for each of the states based on user interaction. After looking at the complexities of Ajax, Flex seemed like an ideal choice. Since I develop under Eclipse and since the 2.0 alpha seemed like a generally usable version, it was my first choice. However, the examples in the Iteration Two book seem to be written for 1.0 or 1.5, and I spent quite a while trying to run them under 2.0 with varying degrees of success. My database needs for this demo application are modest, but I did want to be able to use RemoteObject. I was never able to get anything using RemoteObject to operate successfully. I was developing under Eclipse and using the Run Flex application to try to run my application. I'm not sure exactly what runtime environment this results in, but I had been successful at getting some small forms running successfully and trading string messages with the server. Is RemoteObject supposed to be possible using only the 2.0 alpha materials? If not, what do I need? The Cold Fusion server extensions? The Enterprise version? Is what I need available now? Does it cost money just to use for a demo? Are there some examples of using a RemoteObject under 2.0 that I could try under Eclipse? Should I be using 1.5 instead? I am wondering if my expectations of the 2.0 alpha are inappropriate for programming a demo now and in January 2006. I'm not a Cold Fusion user and have only a rudimentary understanding of its operation. I'm now thinking that I should use Ajax or possibly Laszlo, but would listen carefully to any argument that Flex is the right choice. Thanks, Bruce -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
I think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the next month though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff. For RemoteObject in 2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many folks will be happy to point out you could also just expose your Java objects via a WebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in the 2.0 samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference). The Flex 2 alpha will hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not actually be functional in your configuration. Matt -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:39 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how I cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my suggestions. - assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat - download Flex 1.5 demo - install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5 - copy and paste the flex.war samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps directory Hit the samples page to ensure all is well. On mine, it's: http://localhost:8080/samples/ I've yet to get Flex 2 to work with Remoting + AMFPHP. Considering AMF (the binary format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is undergoing big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't really work yet. I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the CFAdapter, but I don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code it). Some have reported success with the WebService/HTTPService. Me? I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works great. At night, I moonlight in Flex 2, but she's still alpha, so we have a ways to go. The bad news is, for those client developers (like me) who only care about the client, Flex 1.5 has the server requirement. However, you can still snag SWF's off of the server once compiled as well as to show clients of what's possible. Good news, she works great, HTTPService (GET/POST) works, WebService works, and RemoteObject works with AMFPHP, OpenAMF, and ColdFusion. Hope that helps some. Feel free to post more questions. - Original Message - From: BCichowlas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how Hi! I'm an independent developer trying to put together an RIA demo for potential investors in a proposed enterprise. This proposed enterprise is not a software company but would make heavy use of an RIA application. My most reasonable choices seem to be Flex, Laszlo or Ajax (in its many variations). I spent the last week with the Iteration Two Flex book, downloading what is available freely to developers from the Macromedia/Adobe site. As part of my demo, I need to be able to change the color of irregular small shapes. The shapes themselves are known in advance and don't change. For the sake of discussion, it is as if I had an outline of New England, divided into the six New England states and I wanted to be able to choose one of eight colors for each of the states based on user interaction. After looking at the complexities of Ajax, Flex seemed like an ideal choice. Since I develop under Eclipse and since the 2.0 alpha seemed like a generally usable version, it was my first choice. However, the examples in the Iteration Two book seem to be written for 1.0 or 1.5, and I spent quite a while trying to run them under 2.0 with varying degrees of success. My database needs for this demo application are modest, but I did want to be able to use RemoteObject. I was never able to get anything using RemoteObject to operate successfully. I was developing under Eclipse and using the Run Flex application to try to run my application. I'm not sure exactly what runtime environment this results in, but I had been successful at getting some small forms running successfully and trading string messages with the server. Is RemoteObject supposed to be possible using only the 2.0 alpha materials? If not, what do I need? The Cold Fusion server extensions? The Enterprise version? Is what I need available now? Does it cost money just to use for a demo? Are there some examples of using a RemoteObject under 2.0 that I could try under Eclipse? Should I be using 1.5 instead? I am wondering if my expectations of the 2.0 alpha are inappropriate for programming a demo now and in January 2006. I'm not a Cold Fusion user and have only a rudimentary understanding of its operation. I'm now thinking that I should use Ajax or possibly Laszlo, but would listen carefully to any argument that Flex is the right choice. Thanks, Bruce -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links --
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 . Do you know of a working example of this somewhere? I'm not sure what I would code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server side to make it compatible and synchronize. I'm also wondering whether everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it takes or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or another to continue development. I also need to know how to explain the production operational costs to a potential investor. Potentially this is an application run by large companies on their own servers for many subscribers. And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how to implement these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need to change to one of a number of colors. I'd probably be able to answer that by myself if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited to having run through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash. I know that's a lot of questions.Thanks,BruceOn 12/27/05, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the next month though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff. For RemoteObject in 2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many folks will be happy to point out you could also just expose your Java objects via a WebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in the 2.0 samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference). The Flex 2 alpha will hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not actually be functional in your configuration. Matt -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:39 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how I cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my suggestions. - assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat - download Flex 1.5 demo - install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5 - copy and paste the flex.war samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps directory Hit the samples page to ensure all is well. On mine, it's: http://localhost:8080/samples/ I've yet to get Flex 2 to work with Remoting + AMFPHP. Considering AMF (the binary format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is undergoing big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't really work yet. I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the CFAdapter, but I don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code it). Some have reported success with the WebService/HTTPService. Me? I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works great. At night, I moonlight in Flex 2, but she's still alpha, so we have a ways to go. The bad news is, for those client developers (like me) who only care about the client, Flex 1.5 has the server requirement. However, you can still snag SWF's off of the server once compiled as well as to show clients of what's possible. Good news, she works great, HTTPService (GET/POST) works, WebService works, and RemoteObject works with AMFPHP, OpenAMF, and ColdFusion. Hope that helps some. Feel free to post more questions. - Original Message - From: BCichowlas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how Hi! I'm an independent developer trying to put together an RIA demo for potential investors in a proposed enterprise. This proposed enterprise is not a software company but would make heavy use of an RIA application. My most reasonable choices seem to be Flex, Laszlo or Ajax (in its many variations). I spent the last week with the Iteration Two Flex book, downloading what is available freely to developers from the Macromedia/Adobe site. As part of my demo, I need to be able to change the color of irregular small shapes. The shapes themselves are known in advance and don't change. For the sake of discussion, it is as if I had an outline of New England, divided into the six New England states and I wanted to be able to choose one of eight colors for each of the states based on user interaction. After looking at the complexities of Ajax, Flex seemed like an ideal choice. Since I develop under Eclipse and since the 2.0 alpha seemed like a generally usable version, it was my first choice. However, the examples in the Iteration Two book seem to be written for 1.0 or 1.5, and I spent quite a while trying to run them under 2.0 with varying degrees of success. My database needs for this demo application are modest, but I did want to be able to use RemoteObject. I was never able to get anything using RemoteObject to operate successfully. I was developing under Eclipse
Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
Can help with #3.
Here's a sample:
?xml version="1.0"
encoding="utf-8"?mx:Application xmlns:mx="http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml"initialize="initApp()"mx:Script![CDATA[import
mx.controls.ComboBox;private function
initApp():Void{var color_str:String =
color_cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle("backgroundColor",
color_str); }private function
setColor(event:Object):Void{var cb:ComboBox =
ComboBox(event.target);var color_str:String =
cb.selectedItem.toString();colorMe_box.setStyle("backgroundColor",
color_str);
}]]/mx:Scriptmx:FormItem
label="Colors:"mx:ComboBoxid="color_cb"change="setColor(event)"mx:dataProvidermx:Arraymx:String0x00/mx:Stringmx:String0x66/mx:Stringmx:String0x66/mx:String/mx:Array/mx:dataProvider/mx:ComboBox/mx:FormItemmx:Boxid="colorMe_box"borderStyle="solid"width="100"
height="100"/
/mx:Application
- Original Message -
From: Bruce
Cichowlas
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and how
I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this
interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 . Do
you know of a working example of this somewhere? I'm not sure what I would
code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server side to
make it compatible and synchronize. I'm also wondering whether
everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it takes
or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or another to
continue development. I also need to know how to explain the production
operational costs to a potential investor. Potentially this is an
application run by large companies on their own servers for many subscribers.
And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how to implement
these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need to change to
one of a number of colors. I'd probably be able to answer that by myself
if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited to having run
through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash. I know that's a
lot of questions.Thanks,Bruce
On 12/27/05, Matt
Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the
nextmonth though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff. For
RemoteObject in2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many
folks will behappy to point out you could also just expose your Java
objects via aWebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in
the 2.0samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference). The
Flex 2 alphawill hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not
actually befunctional in your configuration.Matt
-Original
Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of JesterXLSent: Tuesday,
December 27, 2005 4:39 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders]
Having hard time understanding what featuresare available to whom when and
howI cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my
suggestions.- assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat- download
Flex 1.5 demo- install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5- copy
and paste the flex.war samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps
directoryHit the samples page to ensure all is well. On
mine, it's:http://localhost:8080/samples/I've yet to get Flex 2
to work with Remoting + AMFPHP. Considering AMF(the binary
format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is undergoing
big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't reallywork
yet.I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the
CFAdapter,but I don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code
it). Some have reported success with the
WebService/HTTPService.Me? I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works
great. At night, I moonlightin Flex 2, but she's still alpha, so
we have a ways to go.The bad news is, for those client developers
(like me) who only careabout the client, Flex 1.5 has the server
requirement. However, you can stillsnag SWF's off of the server
once compiled as well as to show clients ofwhat's possible. Good
news, she works great, HTTPService (GET/POST)works, WebService works,
and RemoteObject works with AMFPHP, OpenAMF, and ColdFusion.Hope
that helps some. Feel free to post more questions.- Original
Message - From: "BCichowlas" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, December
27, 2005 4:22 PMSubject: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what
features are available to whom when and howHi!I'm an
independent developer trying to put together an RIA demo forpotential
investors in a proposed enterprise. This proposedenterprise is not a
software company but would make heavy use of anRIA
