Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo isn't loading my modules
Hi,
I too am having difficulties with loading modules in apollo. Please
correct me if i'm wrong but it seems that the current behaviour is that
only local swfs placed and referenced from the app-storage directory can
be loaded as modules?
Here's a bit of code to test. First, make a regular Flex project
and make a class called ApolloModule.as that extends ModuleBase.
I use the generated ApolloModule-debug.swf for testing. The class is empty.
Next, make an apollo app. put the code at the end of this message
inside an mx:Script tag in your main mxml file and add
creationComplete=init()
Uncomment the different values for path to see which ones load the
module and which ones don't. There may be incorrect carriage returns in
the variable assignment, so ...
It seems that the ModuleLoader will load swfs inside app-resources and
not complain with SWF is not a loadable module. I think this is
specified somewhere in the Understanding Apollo Security
(http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:Documentation:Understanding_Apollo_security),
but I'm not totally certain. The reason for my uncertainty is that
passing a relative url using .. then you won't get an error. If
anybody can clarify this I'd really appreciate it.
thanks
/r
http://www.searchcoders.com/flex/search/apollo+modules
START CODE HERE
import flash.filesystem.File;
import mx.events.ModuleEvent;
import mx.modules.ModuleManager;
import mx.modules.IModuleInfo;
import mx.modules.ModuleBase;
public function init():void
{
var path:String = ;
// --- THESE DON'T WORK
// * Doesn't work, SWF is not a loadable module
//path =
c:/work/searchcoders/ApolloModuleLoader/ApolloModule-debug.swf;
// * Doesn't work (URL NOT FOUND app-resource:/app-resource ...)
//path = app-resource:../ApolloModule-debug.swf;
// * Doesn't Work, SWF is not a loadable module
//path = File.appStorageDirectory.resolve(ApolloModule-debug.swf).url;
// * Doesn't work, SWF is not a loadable module
// this path below is to an internal server with a
// crossdomain.xml allowing access to *
//path = http://local.simple/ApolloModule-debug.swf;;
// --- THESE WORK
//path = app-resource:/ApolloModule-debug.swf;
//path = ApolloModule-debug.swf;
//path = /ApolloModule-debug.swf;
//path = File.appResourceDirectory.resolve(ApolloModule-debug.swf).url;
// --- THIS ONE WORKS! BUT NOT IN app-resource! why?
// path = ../ApolloModule-debug.swf;
trace(Raw Path: + path);
try
{
// Try to convert to file and then show url and native
var file:File = new File(path);
trace(Loading from: + file.nativePath);
trace(URL IS: + file.url);
}
catch (e:Error)
{
trace(e);
}
var info:IModuleInfo = ModuleManager.getModule(path);
info.addEventListener(ModuleEvent.ERROR, moduleEvent);
info.addEventListener(ModuleEvent.READY, moduleEvent);
info.addEventListener(ModuleEvent.READY, moduleEvent);
info.addEventListener(ModuleEvent.PROGRESS, moduleEvent);
info.load();
}
public function moduleEvent(event:ModuleEvent):void
{
trace(event: + event);
if (event.type == ModuleEvent.ERROR)
{
trace(\tBOOM! + event.errorText);
}
if (event.type == ModuleEvent.READY)
{
var info:IModuleInfo = event.target as IModuleInfo;
trace(info: + info);
try
{
var file:File = new File(info.url);
trace(Canonical Path : + file.canonicalize())
}
catch (e:Error)
{
trace(Error: + e);
}
trace(Module: + info);
var module:ModuleBase = info.factory.create() as ModuleBase;
trace(Defined? + module);
}
}
END CODE HERE
if anybody wants the original source file just let me know and i'll
email it to you as an attachment.
Matt Chotin wrote:
We may need to turn this into a bug so we can make sure it's
straightforward to move between the web and Apollo. can you please file
an issue at http://www.adobe.com/go/wish explaining how you were loading
your module originally and how you needed to change it for Apollo?
Matt
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Doberenz
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:03 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo isn't loading my modules
In ended up figuring this one out.
It seems that Flex wants the full path to the modules, but apollo wants
the relative path. Once I changed this, it worked just fine.
Hope that helps.
On 23 Mar 2007 09:20:05 -0700, mthielman11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am having a similar problem, app works fine in flex and works
fine from apollo if I build
it and run, but when I try exporting and running it will not
load the module. I got it to
work once or twice initially and that was it. Any
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo TShirt
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo isn't loading my modules
We may need to turn this into a bug so we can make sure it's straightforward to move between the web and Apollo. can you please file an issue at http://www.adobe.com/go/wish explaining how you were loading your module originally and how you needed to change it for Apollo? Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Doberenz Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:03 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo isn't loading my modules In ended up figuring this one out. It seems that Flex wants the full path to the modules, but apollo wants the relative path. Once I changed this, it worked just fine. Hope that helps. On 23 Mar 2007 09:20:05 -0700, mthielman11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a similar problem, app works fine in flex and works fine from apollo if I build it and run, but when I try exporting and running it will not load the module. I got it to work once or twice initially and that was it. Any ideas? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Mark Doberenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there something special I need to do to make Apollo load my modules? Flex builder is showing them just fine, but when I run the app, they don't show up in the view. The debugger is showing that the SWF is being loaded, but then after clicking around on the app for a bit, the debugger says [Unload SWF] and it unloads the module SWF. Any ideas on this one? Mark
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo isn't loading my modules
In ended up figuring this one out. It seems that Flex wants the full path to the modules, but apollo wants the relative path. Once I changed this, it worked just fine. Hope that helps. On 23 Mar 2007 09:20:05 -0700, mthielman11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a similar problem, app works fine in flex and works fine from apollo if I build it and run, but when I try exporting and running it will not load the module. I got it to work once or twice initially and that was it. Any ideas? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Mark Doberenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there something special I need to do to make Apollo load my modules? Flex builder is showing them just fine, but when I run the app, they don't show up in the view. The debugger is showing that the SWF is being loaded, but then after clicking around on the app for a bit, the debugger says [Unload SWF] and it unloads the module SWF. Any ideas on this one? Mark
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
By the way, here were the results from the weekends poll: http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/18/apollo-name-vote-results/ On 3/19/07, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ApolloWeaver is just painful to say. I hope they do better than that. :-) -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
The beta names are always cooler than the shipping names anyhow. I totally understand, they cannot sell chambants or big electric cats but they are still kinda fun :P Impudent1 LeapFrog Productions
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
I must be old - I was thinking where I'd heard of Apollo before (besides mythology and the space program) and I remembered there used to be a range of unix servers called Apollo. Now I've completely lost 95% of this list.. OK, mind barf is now over.. Paul - Original Message - From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name) Yes. We also really like the Apollo name, but for various reasons we cannot use it as the final name. Apollo is just a code name, and will not be the final name. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brendan Meutzner wrote: So Rich, I think this poll/campaign is unfortunately going to futile. Although they're still keeping mum about the final name, Kevin Lynch assured the attendees at Apollo Camp last night that the name was 'very cool' I guess we just need to stay tuned... Brendan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
So they can't use the name Apollo but there has already been some time, effort, design, marketing and publishing gone into that name. Might that mean it'll be a double barrelled name that includes Apollo, e.g. ApolloWeaver or some such... On 18 Mar 2007 11:25:08 -0700, Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. We also really like the Apollo name, but for various reasons we cannot use it as the final name. Apollo is just a code name, and will not be the final name. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] mesh%40adobe.com Brendan Meutzner wrote: So Rich, I think this poll/campaign is unfortunately going to futile. Although they're still keeping mum about the final name, Kevin Lynch assured the attendees at Apollo Camp last night that the name was 'very cool' I guess we just need to stay tuned... Brendan -- http://danny-t.co.uk
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
ApolloWeaver is just painful to say. I hope they do better than that. :-)
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
haha thanks Rich! That wasn't a serious suggestion, but the only example i could think of. I'm sure they've got something in mind that is better than that. On 19/03/07, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ApolloWeaver is just painful to say. I hope they do better than that. :-) -- http://danny-t.co.uk
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
If you don't care, then don't vote. :) On 17 Mar 2007 08:55:39 -0700, Paul DeCoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are missing the I don't care option. What do I care what they name the product. They could call it Penciluarim and if it still did what they promise then I'd use it. p --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of 10am est time on 3/17, the vote currently stands at: *Should Adobe keep code name Apollo as the official product name?* yes 89% (174) no 11% (22) If you haven't voted yet, please visit: http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/15/apollo-the-great-debate/ Rich On 16 Mar 2007 14:49:31 -0700, shawn.gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, Apollo was the God of Light, and he was strongly associated with the higher arts, as opposed to the baser arts of Dionysus (I'll leave the analogues up to you...). Apollo is the best name ever for what promises, in my limited knowledge so far, to be as important to the web and application development for many people as light is and higher art is to those who aim for somthing higher. Is this something we could petition them with? Does Adobe respond to such requests? I would love to be involved in designing the artwork revolving around its promotion etc.! Is there a reason they chose Apollo as the development name? Shawn - lover of anything Greek! haha... -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
So Rich, I think this poll/campaign is unfortunately going to futile. Although they're still keeping mum about the final name, Kevin Lynch assured the attendees at Apollo Camp last night that the name was 'very cool' I guess we just need to stay tuned... Brendan On 17 Mar 2007 08:55:39 -0700, Paul DeCoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are missing the I don't care option. What do I care what they name the product. They could call it Penciluarim and if it still did what they promise then I'd use it. p --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of 10am est time on 3/17, the vote currently stands at: *Should Adobe keep code name Apollo as the official product name?* yes 89% (174) no 11% (22) If you haven't voted yet, please visit: http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/15/apollo-the-great-debate/ Rich On 16 Mar 2007 14:49:31 -0700, shawn.gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, Apollo was the God of Light, and he was strongly associated with the higher arts, as opposed to the baser arts of Dionysus (I'll leave the analogues up to you...). Apollo is the best name ever for what promises, in my limited knowledge so far, to be as important to the web and application development for many people as light is and higher art is to those who aim for somthing higher. Is this something we could petition them with? Does Adobe respond to such requests? I would love to be involved in designing the artwork revolving around its promotion etc.! Is there a reason they chose Apollo as the development name? Shawn - lover of anything Greek! haha... -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com -- Brendan Meutzner Stretch Media - RIA Adobe Flex Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stretchmedia.ca
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
What do I care what they name the product. Your missing the point, how many people play with their cell phones and are amused with that? :) Peace, Mike On 17 Mar 2007 08:55:39 -0700, Paul DeCoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are missing the I don't care option. What do I care what they name the product. They could call it Penciluarim and if it still did what they promise then I'd use it. p --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of 10am est time on 3/17, the vote currently stands at: *Should Adobe keep code name Apollo as the official product name?* yes 89% (174) no 11% (22) If you haven't voted yet, please visit: http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/15/apollo-the-great-debate/ Rich On 16 Mar 2007 14:49:31 -0700, shawn.gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, Apollo was the God of Light, and he was strongly associated with the higher arts, as opposed to the baser arts of Dionysus (I'll leave the analogues up to you...). Apollo is the best name ever for what promises, in my limited knowledge so far, to be as important to the web and application development for many people as light is and higher art is to those who aim for somthing higher. Is this something we could petition them with? Does Adobe respond to such requests? I would love to be involved in designing the artwork revolving around its promotion etc.! Is there a reason they chose Apollo as the development name? Shawn - lover of anything Greek! haha... -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com -- Teoti Graphix http://www.teotigraphix.com Blog - Flex2Components http://www.flex2components.com You can find more by solving the problem then by 'asking the question'.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
Yes. We also really like the Apollo name, but for various reasons we cannot use it as the final name. Apollo is just a code name, and will not be the final name. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brendan Meutzner wrote: So Rich, I think this poll/campaign is unfortunately going to futile. Although they're still keeping mum about the final name, Kevin Lynch assured the attendees at Apollo Camp last night that the name was 'very cool' I guess we just need to stay tuned... Brendan
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
I like the name association with the idea that Flash is finally landing on the desktop instead of orbiting around it in the browser. Ok, I need a life. - Nick On 3/16/07, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to a poor service I had to trash the original poll that was posted last night. At the time, the vote was 31 yes and 5 no. If you voted yesterday, please post a new vote today. http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/15/apollo-the-great-debate/ On 3/15/07, Rich Tretola [EMAIL PROTECTED] rtretola%40gmail.com wrote: As we all know Apollo is the code name for the upcoming Adobe desktop runtime. Many developers including myself feel very strongly that the product should keep the name Apollo as its release name. Please answer the single question survey below to let Adobe know how you feel. It will take you literally 3 seconds and your opinion matters. Please take a few seconds to vote: http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/15/apollo-the-great-debate/ Rich -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo (Should Adobe Keep the Name)
As of 10am est time on 3/17, the vote currently stands at: *Should Adobe keep code name Apollo as the official product name?* yes 89% (174) no 11% (22) If you haven't voted yet, please visit: http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/03/15/apollo-the-great-debate/ Rich On 16 Mar 2007 14:49:31 -0700, shawn.gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, Apollo was the God of Light, and he was strongly associated with the higher arts, as opposed to the baser arts of Dionysus (I'll leave the analogues up to you...). Apollo is the best name ever for what promises, in my limited knowledge so far, to be as important to the web and application development for many people as light is and higher art is to those who aim for somthing higher. Is this something we could petition them with? Does Adobe respond to such requests? I would love to be involved in designing the artwork revolving around its promotion etc.! Is there a reason they chose Apollo as the development name? Shawn - lover of anything Greek! haha... -- Rich Tretola mx:EverythingFlex/ http://www.EverythingFlex.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo features
What about a poor-man's 100% availability :) Servers down? Site got Dugg? No problem :) Shan Jeffry Houser wrote: I'll just throw this out there. One of my clams (somewhere in this thread) was The only time you aren't connected is in an airplane. Every airport I've been in recently has had wi-fi. I assume this is becoming standard. I think Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane. There must be something else to it that I do not yet see. At 11:46 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: At one point about 2 years ago, i was asked to develop a simple CF app that helped managers write some 'weekly status reports' that were rolled up to upper management and then some of those items were rolled up even further up the tree etc. it died a miserable death after a while because many of the managers complained that they wrote their status while traveling - sitting on planes, in airports etc when they had no connectivity... so yes, in my mind there are plenty of applications for offline storage of data and uploading when connected. Mitch --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:10 AM 2/4/2007, you wrote: Many users are still disconnected. Nomad users are still common place. Most sales people are getting out o the road in order to create opportunities as opposed to staying in the office. Few rural areas are 100% covered by high speed (wifi,gprs,gsm,3G) access. The concept of disconnected apps is becoming more and more intriguing for business and the demands for such apps more and more numerous. I can't fathom needing an Internet connection while driving. Nor can I imagine going to a client / potential client who doesn't have Internet Access. Is it really that common? The prospect of using an embedded db like sqlite(open source, cross platform dll) to store data, Apollo being able to natively exploit that data directly on the client when disconnected, and update the central data store when connected; is one simple but enormous opportunity. Apollo offers an embedded DB? I haven't heard that yet. I'm seriously hoping that Apollo is not just for partially disconnected applications. I still don't get it, though. I'm open to hearing the ideas. Of course, I still think such a conversation would be better off on the Apollo Coders list. -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com http://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com http://www.dot-com-it.com/ My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.theflexshow.com/ My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com/ Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com http://www.ctmug.com/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo features
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/apollocoders/ At 10:01 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: Apollo Coders list. Where is this list? I want in! -Scott -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo features
I'll just throw this out there. One of my clams (somewhere in this thread) was The only time you aren't connected is in an airplane. Every airport I've been in recently has had wi-fi. I assume this is becoming standard. I think Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane. There must be something else to it that I do not yet see. At 11:46 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: At one point about 2 years ago, i was asked to develop a simple CF app that helped managers write some 'weekly status reports' that were rolled up to upper management and then some of those items were rolled up even further up the tree etc. it died a miserable death after a while because many of the managers complained that they wrote their status while traveling - sitting on planes, in airports etc when they had no connectivity... so yes, in my mind there are plenty of applications for offline storage of data and uploading when connected. Mitch --- In mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:10 AM 2/4/2007, you wrote: Many users are still disconnected. Nomad users are still common place. Most sales people are getting out o the road in order to create opportunities as opposed to staying in the office. Few rural areas are 100% covered by high speed (wifi,gprs,gsm,3G) access. The concept of disconnected apps is becoming more and more intriguing for business and the demands for such apps more and more numerous. I can't fathom needing an Internet connection while driving. Nor can I imagine going to a client / potential client who doesn't have Internet Access. Is it really that common? The prospect of using an embedded db like sqlite(open source, cross platform dll) to store data, Apollo being able to natively exploit that data directly on the client when disconnected, and update the central data store when connected; is one simple but enormous opportunity. Apollo offers an embedded DB? I haven't heard that yet. I'm seriously hoping that Apollo is not just for partially disconnected applications. I still don't get it, though. I'm open to hearing the ideas. Of course, I still think such a conversation would be better off on the Apollo Coders list. -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.comhttp://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.comhttp://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.comhttp://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.comhttp://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo features
Sorry if i missed first half of thread, but isn't the point to create desktop apps - whether online or not? You should see a significant performance increase, if your app is resource intensive, and you will gain access to the filesystem, without using sketchy third-party systems or .NET wrappers. Yes I said sketchy. Simply because my experience with anything but .NET wrappers has indeed been 'sketchy', sometimes at best. However, one problem I see is that Apollo isn't planned to be a replacement for these wrappers, when deploying to a CD. I'm hoping to see some work-arounds for this in the future, or perhaps never working with CD-based apps ever again! -Scott On 2/5/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll just throw this out there. One of my clams (somewhere in this thread) was The only time you aren't connected is in an airplane. Every airport I've been in recently has had wi-fi. I assume this is becoming standard. I think Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane. There must be something else to it that I do not yet see. At 11:46 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: At one point about 2 years ago, i was asked to develop a simple CF app that helped managers write some 'weekly status reports' that were rolled up to upper management and then some of those items were rolled up even further up the tree etc. it died a miserable death after a while because many of the managers complained that they wrote their status while traveling - sitting on planes, in airports etc when they had no connectivity... so yes, in my mind there are plenty of applications for offline storage of data and uploading when connected. Mitch --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:10 AM 2/4/2007, you wrote: Many users are still disconnected. Nomad users are still common place. Most sales people are getting out o the road in order to create opportunities as opposed to staying in the office. Few rural areas are 100% covered by high speed (wifi,gprs,gsm,3G) access. The concept of disconnected apps is becoming more and more intriguing for business and the demands for such apps more and more numerous. I can't fathom needing an Internet connection while driving. Nor can I imagine going to a client / potential client who doesn't have Internet Access. Is it really that common? The prospect of using an embedded db like sqlite(open source, cross platform dll) to store data, Apollo being able to natively exploit that data directly on the client when disconnected, and update the central data store when connected; is one simple but enormous opportunity. Apollo offers an embedded DB? I haven't heard that yet. I'm seriously hoping that Apollo is not just for partially disconnected applications. I still don't get it, though. I'm open to hearing the ideas. Of course, I still think such a conversation would be better off on the Apollo Coders list. -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- : : ) Scott
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo features
I meant to say I doubt Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane At 12:26 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: I'll just throw this out there. One of my clams (somewhere in this thread) was The only time you aren't connected is in an airplane. Every airport I've been in recently has had wi-fi. I assume this is becoming standard. I think Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane. There must be something else to it that I do not yet see. At 11:46 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: At one point about 2 years ago, i was asked to develop a simple CF app that helped managers write some 'weekly status reports' that were rolled up to upper management and then some of those items were rolled up even further up the tree etc. it died a miserable death after a while because many of the managers complained that they wrote their status while traveling - sitting on planes, in airports etc when they had no connectivity... so yes, in my mind there are plenty of applications for offline storage of data and uploading when connected. Mitch --- In mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:10 AM 2/4/2007, you wrote: Many users are still disconnected. Nomad users are still common place. Most sales people are getting out o the road in order to create opportunities as opposed to staying in the office. Few rural areas are 100% covered by high speed (wifi,gprs,gsm,3G) access. The concept of disconnected apps is becoming more and more intriguing for business and the demands for such apps more and more numerous. I can't fathom needing an Internet connection while driving. Nor can I imagine going to a client / potential client who doesn't have Internet Access. Is it really that common? The prospect of using an embedded db like sqlite(open source, cross platform dll) to store data, Apollo being able to natively exploit that data directly on the client when disconnected, and update the central data store when connected; is one simple but enormous opportunity. Apollo offers an embedded DB? I haven't heard that yet. I'm seriously hoping that Apollo is not just for partially disconnected applications. I still don't get it, though. I'm open to hearing the ideas. Of course, I still think such a conversation would be better off on the Apollo Coders list. -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.comhttp://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.comhttp://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.comhttp://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.comhttp://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo features
I think its pretty clear what Adobe is aiming for with Apollo... they're wanting to strike at Microsoft's .NET suite (in the same way that MS is striking at Adobe's suite with WPF/E and Expression). But instead of taking C++ and Java coders and moving them closer to the web (MS with .NET), Adobe is taking web coders and moving them to the desktop. Adobe for the win since it seems the web coders are driving the serious innovation these days. I personally like ActionScript3 as a language, I personally like the Flex Framework, I *really* like the Flash graphics engine. I think developing UIs in declarative languages like HTML and MXML is great, particularly since I can leverage all of those web designers out there. I love .NET as well; it was certainly my favorite *before* I met AS3/Flex. It would still *may* be my favorite if I was developing a native Win32 app. But that would probably only be if I needed the raw performance or some Win-specific services. Of course, if Apollo allowed hooks into external DLLs (just like its obvious precedent, MDM's Zinc), then .NET would really offer me little advantage and some significant downsides. If Apollo doesn't allow for native hooks, then screw it... I'll stick with what I got and use Zinc. In fact, I would fully expect that Zinc would attempt to wrap Apollo apps and provide exactly this functionality if Adobe doesn't. Look at it this way: I can use an *HTML* webpage to connect to native code (ActiveX controls, for example). If Apollo doesn't allow for that, then *what's the freakin point* of moving it to the desktop!? Troy. On 2/5/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant to say I doubt Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane At 12:26 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: I'll just throw this out there. One of my clams (somewhere in this thread) was The only time you aren't connected is in an airplane. Every airport I've been in recently has had wi-fi. I assume this is becoming standard. I think Adobe is shelling out a lot of effort just for the sake of providing people the ability to work in an airplane. There must be something else to it that I do not yet see. At 11:46 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: At one point about 2 years ago, i was asked to develop a simple CF app that helped managers write some 'weekly status reports' that were rolled up to upper management and then some of those items were rolled up even further up the tree etc. it died a miserable death after a while because many of the managers complained that they wrote their status while traveling - sitting on planes, in airports etc when they had no connectivity... so yes, in my mind there are plenty of applications for offline storage of data and uploading when connected. Mitch --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:10 AM 2/4/2007, you wrote: Many users are still disconnected. Nomad users are still common place. Most sales people are getting out o the road in order to create opportunities as opposed to staying in the office. Few rural areas are 100% covered by high speed (wifi,gprs,gsm,3G) access. The concept of disconnected apps is becoming more and more intriguing for business and the demands for such apps more and more numerous. I can't fathom needing an Internet connection while driving. Nor can I imagine going to a client / potential client who doesn't have Internet Access. Is it really that common? The prospect of using an embedded db like sqlite(open source, cross platform dll) to store data, Apollo being able to natively exploit that data directly on the client when disconnected, and update the central data store when connected; is one simple but enormous opportunity. Apollo offers an embedded DB? I haven't heard that yet. I'm seriously hoping that Apollo is not just for partially disconnected applications. I still don't get it, though. I'm open to hearing the ideas. Of course, I still think such a conversation would be better off on the Apollo Coders list. -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com Connecticut Macromedia User
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo
Actually, I don't think it is technically in beta yet. There will be a public beta later this year, but I don't have a date for you. -David From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of devisbalsemin Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:51 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo Ok thanks ... a lot Devis --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Gordon Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's correct. - Gordon -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:17 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Apollo On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:20, devisbalsemin wrote: have you some Apollo beta news? Last I heard it was in closed beta. Under NDA. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to heterogeneously scale industry-wide developments This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Apollo
On Thursday 04 January 2007 20:13, David Mendels wrote: Actually, I don't think it is technically in beta yet. There will be a public beta later this year, but I don't have a date for you. Having a public beta is great news ! -- Tom Chiverton Helping to authoritatively administrate interactive users This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
