Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-23 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 18 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
  I don't see Flex or ActionScript support in it.
  And I never had much luck with ANT scripts for Flex from Eclipse either.

  funny that. i compile fine in eclipse using ant (pc and mac)... and on my
 servers (suse, redhat) using compc and mxmlc and have for flex 1.5, 2,
 2.1and so does everyone i work with and have worked with. 

As I said *I* never had much luck. 

 you prob 
 have the FB
 standalone installed (which i would not recomend to anyone), in which case
 this is a known issue.

If it ran on Linux, I would have the plugin version :-)

 number you can use in the ant script, inject it into a file (mxml, as or
 even an external txt file) ant is really powerful...

Installing CC jus to get this feature isn't a winner for me, even with all the 
other stuff CC provides.

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-23 Thread Johannes Nel

If it ran on Linux, I would have the plugin version :-)


fair nuff. there are ways to get ant working still in the standalone version
(it involves manually copying plugin folders and jars) but worth the effort.

no i don't think CC is worth it only for this, but i do think that it would
help anybody in the long run.

On 4/23/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Wednesday 18 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
  I don't see Flex or ActionScript support in it.
  And I never had much luck with ANT scripts for Flex from Eclipse
either.

  funny that. i compile fine in eclipse using ant (pc and mac)... and on
my
 servers (suse, redhat) using compc and mxmlc and have for flex 1.5, 2,
 2.1and so does everyone i work with and have worked with.

As I said *I* never had much luck.

 you prob
 have the FB
 standalone installed (which i would not recomend to anyone), in which
case
 this is a known issue.

If it ran on Linux, I would have the plugin version :-)

 number you can use in the ant script, inject it into a file (mxml, as or
 even an external txt file) ant is really powerful...

Installing CC jus to get this feature isn't a winner for me, even with all
the
other stuff CC provides.

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-18 Thread Peter Farland
I logged bug 203805 in your behalf with the Flex Builder team to capture
this enhancement request.
 
 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:33 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting



 Why don't you just define a public static variable on a class with 
build
 number information and update it before building your SWF from the
 command line?

we actually have a variable like this and my poor colleague has to 
always update it before being released to our testers.

It would make his life so much easier if something was built into 
flexbuilder.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com
, Peter Farland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 These seem like general SCM questions to me.
 
 Surely you can get cruise control to call a command line statement?
 There are command line tools to compile MXML or AS3 based 
applications
 to SWFs or to create component libraries as SWCs. Couldn't cruise
 control also call an ant task if you've already got those set up?
 
 Why don't you just define a public static variable on a class with 
build
 number information and update it before building your SWF from the
 command line?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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reporting
 
 On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
  cruisecontrol (which you use with your svn (for example)) to 
manage 
  your builds. the great advantage that cruise control gives you 
is that
 
  its build already,
 
 I don't see Flex or ActionScript support in it.
 And I never had much luck with ANT scripts for Flex from Eclipse 
either.
 
  you seem very cynical
  of something like cuise control, and i think your reasoning 
stems from
 
  the fact that you have not used it yourself.
 
 Actually, I have.
 It just doesn't solve the problem of baking a build number in to 
the
 application's GUI. Does it ?
 
  build, numbered and visible for everyone involved in the project.
 
 Where does the build number appear in the application ?
 
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-18 Thread Johannes Nel

comments inline.

On 17 Apr 2007 06:45:49 -0700, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
 cruisecontrol (which you use with your svn (for example)) to manage your
 builds. the great advantage that cruise control gives you is that its
build
 already,

I don't see Flex or ActionScript support in it.
And I never had much luck with ANT scripts for Flex from Eclipse either.



funny that. i compile fine in eclipse using ant (pc and mac)... and on my
servers (suse, redhat) using compc and mxmlc and have for flex 1.5, 2,
2.1and so does everyone i work with and have worked with. you prob
have the FB
standalone installed (which i would not recomend to anyone), in which case
this is a known issue.


you seem very cynical
 of something like cuise control, and i think your reasoning stems from
the
 fact that you have not used it yourself.

Actually, I have.
It just doesn't solve the problem of baking a build number in to the
application's GUI. Does it ?






yes it does, use ant, cruisecontrol gives you a variable stating the build
number you can use in the ant script, inject it into a file (mxml, as or
even an external txt file) ant is really powerful...


build, numbered and visible for everyone involved in the project.

Where does the build number appear in the application ?



whereever you want to add it, but otherwise you see the build numbers in the
cruisecontrol page as well as it being everywhere in specific build pages

i think we are digressing and thus this is the end of the thread for me, but
i advise you to maybe spend a bit more time looking into ant and reading a
bit about XP development and associated practices. i think that what you
missed here that i am trying to get across is the concept of best practise.
there are many ways to skin the cat, but someways yield more skin and meat
than others



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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Paul J DeCoursey
I have a java class that generates a build.as file that is included in 
my main application mxml file.  The build.as file has only

public static var uiBuildText:String = unique build info here;

I put in a build id, gotten from subversion.  I also include the date 
for the version and who did the build.

If I ever get around to it I will blog about this. 

Tom Chiverton wrote:
 On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, bhaq1972 wrote:
   
 we actually have a variable like this and my poor colleague has to
 always update it before being released to our testers.

 It would make his life so much easier if something was built into
 flexbuilder.
 

 Ditto. Which was the original question. 
 If Cruise Control has this, it's very well hidden.

 I suppose your CC build script could run sed over the source or something but 
 that's fairly yuck too.

   



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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
 cruisecontrol (which you use with your svn (for example)) to manage your
 builds. the great advantage that cruise control gives you is that its build
 already,

I don't see Flex or ActionScript support in it.
And I never had much luck with ANT scripts for Flex from Eclipse either.

 you seem very cynical 
 of something like cuise control, and i think your reasoning stems from the
 fact that you have not used it yourself. 

Actually, I have.
It just doesn't solve the problem of baking a build number in to the 
application's GUI. Does it ?

 build, numbered and visible for everyone involved in the project.

Where does the build number appear in the application ?

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, bhaq1972 wrote:
 we actually have a variable like this and my poor colleague has to
 always update it before being released to our testers.

 It would make his life so much easier if something was built into
 flexbuilder.

Ditto. Which was the original question. 
If Cruise Control has this, it's very well hidden.

I suppose your CC build script could run sed over the source or something but 
that's fairly yuck too.

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Peter Farland

 I suppose your CC build script could run sed over the
 source or something but that's fairly yuck too.

[Pete] Why not just use the AS3 include directive to include a snippet
of a line of AS3 code that would declare your public static variable for
your version inside the class body and override this file during a
build? No sed scripts required.




Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Johannes Nel

yes, svn does increment revision numbers. he asked for a good
practiceregarding building and incrementing build numbers. now from my
experience
working in large teams i have noticed that centralised builds work better
for versioning (due to obvious problems that arrises when each developer
increments a build number) and i recomend using something like cruisecontrol
(which you use with your svn (for example)) to manage your builds. the great
advantage that cruise control gives you is that its build already, free and
you can use it to display numbered builds to who ever needs to see the
application as you are developing. you seem very cynical of something like
cuise control, and i think your reasoning stems from the fact that you have
not used it yourself. i would honestly recomend anybody to give it a twirl.
my build process
-builds my swc's
-builds my application
-creates my docs (please adobe get the asdoc tool to run under *nix)
- versions my builds (using the cruise control version number)
- builds my unit tests
-run my unit tests
-notify developers when something broken is commited
i am even adjusting it now to create mx:application wrappers for my swc's
using fabridge

this i do without having deployed this sollution or my build script to
anybody else working in the team. they commit in svn and wham, there is a
build, numbered and visible for everyone involved in the project.

this is a practise that several people i have spoken too at adobe consulting
recomend as well.

spend some time to save a lot of time, is that not a core mantra for all
developers
:-/
my 2 cents.
johan


On 16 Apr 2007 06:50:32 -0700, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


On Monday 16 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
 a poroper continues integration system provides a build nuimber for you
 when you use  cruisecontrol for example

So does (for instance) SVN.
This doesn't help getting said number to display on screen in the Flex app
though.

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Peter Farland

These seem like general SCM questions to me.

Surely you can get cruise control to call a command line statement?
There are command line tools to compile MXML or AS3 based applications
to SWFs or to create component libraries as SWCs. Couldn't cruise
control also call an ant task if you've already got those set up?

Why don't you just define a public static variable on a class with build
number information and update it before building your SWF from the
command line?




 

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Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
 cruisecontrol (which you use with your svn (for example)) to manage 
 your builds. the great advantage that cruise control gives you is that

 its build already,

I don't see Flex or ActionScript support in it.
And I never had much luck with ANT scripts for Flex from Eclipse either.

 you seem very cynical
 of something like cuise control, and i think your reasoning stems from

 the fact that you have not used it yourself.

Actually, I have.
It just doesn't solve the problem of baking a build number in to the
application's GUI. Does it ?

 build, numbered and visible for everyone involved in the project.

Where does the build number appear in the application ?

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-17 Thread Daniel Grace
I expected someone else to have chimed in with a full-fledged code
example by now. Since nobody did, I will offer my point in a direction
I have used before, without any actual code.

The last time I did this it was with a big PHP project, with multiple
files. The way that I did it was keep a variable in the main file (the
Flex equivilent would be your main mxml file). There is a way, at
least with subversion and cvs, to change at checkin time, a variable
to the version number. Something like:

private var versionNumber: String = '$Version$';

It has been a while, so that is going ot need to be looked up and
corrected, probably.

At initialization, look at Application.application.maxVersion, check
against your own version number and if you're larger, replace
Application.application.maxVersion with your own version string. After
everything is initialized, the version number at
Application.application.maxVersion is the last checkin number of a
file that mattered.

You can also keep a hash around as well, with a key that identifies
the particular file and at runtime print a list of the versions of
each file.

Yes, I would like an easier way, but this requires no explicit support
from the language and should work virtually anywhere where you can
extract a raw version number from the string that subversion/cvs gives
you.

Daniel

On 17 Apr 2007 08:56:34 -0700, Tom Chiverton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 17 Apr 2007, bhaq1972 wrote:
  we actually have a variable like this and my poor colleague has to
  always update it before being released to our testers.
 
  It would make his life so much easier if something was built into
  flexbuilder.

 Ditto. Which was the original question.
 If Cruise Control has this, it's very well hidden.

 I suppose your CC build script could run sed over the source or something but
 that's fairly yuck too.

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-16 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Sunday 15 Apr 2007, simonjpalmer wrote:
 'scuse the ignorant question, but what is a CI system?

In this context, 'Continuous Integration' would be my guess.
Something that checks out your current code, compiles it, tests it, and then 
reports back.
You'd generally set this up to run every night / weekend and then triage any 
faults as a group.

What this has to do with a build number, I'm not sure.

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-16 Thread Johannes Nel

a poroper continues integration system provides a build nuimber for you when
you use  cruisecontrol for example

the main problem with just incrementing a file/number for your builds comes
to the fore when you have multiple people working on a project. either you
have to commit this number via a properties file and force an update each
time someone compiles using this script making the process more cumbersome
to manage. there are several scenarios which are a pain. anyway, go read up
about it. setting up cruisecontrol does not take longer than a few hours and
will really save you time in the long run.

On 16 Apr 2007 03:05:06 -0700, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


On Sunday 15 Apr 2007, simonjpalmer wrote:
 'scuse the ignorant question, but what is a CI system?
i
In this context, 'Continuous Integration' would be my guess.
Something that checks out your current code, compiles it, tests it, and
then
reports back.
You'd generally set this up to run every night / weekend and then triage
any
faults as a group.

What this has to do with a build number, I'm not sure.

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-16 Thread Johannes Nel

this is CI
http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/continuousIntegration.html
i also recomend you look at www.eyefodder.com for some tips.


On 13 Apr 2007 08:03:15 -0700, bhaq1972 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Thanks Johannes. Can you suggest one. At the moment we just take the
bin folder generated by Flexbuilder and copy that to our webservers.

what i was thinking was, if flexbuilder could add a build number
into the html wrapper, then we could use an ExternalInterface call
to extract that number and show it in our flex apps.

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 why not get a proper CI system going. that will solve many issues
you had
 not even noticed you had.

 On 12 Apr 2007 06:49:12 -0700, bhaq1972 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Is there anything flexbuilder could generate and place into
the html
  wrapper 
 
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  wrote:
  
   On Thursday 12 Apr 2007, simonjpalmer wrote:
Does anyone have a good practice for holding version numbers
in
  a flex
swf file for display to the user and magically incrementing
them
  as
part of the build process?
  
   We had ColdFusion generate the HTML wrapper page.
   It looked up the SVN revision and branch/tag information, and
put
  that in the
   HTML title tag.
  
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-16 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 16 Apr 2007, Johannes Nel wrote:
 a poroper continues integration system provides a build nuimber for you
 when you use  cruisecontrol for example

So does (for instance) SVN.
This doesn't help getting said number to display on screen in the Flex app 
though.

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-15 Thread Muzak
Probably:
Competitive Intelligence System

here's something that came up in google:
http://www.sla.org/content/Shop/Information/infoonline/2001/jul01/shelfer_verner.cfm

regards,
Muzak

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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting


'scuse the ignorant question, but what is a CI system? 




Re: [flexcoders] Re: Versioning swf files for bug reporting

2007-04-13 Thread Johannes Nel

why not get a proper CI system going. that will solve many issues you had
not even noticed you had.

On 12 Apr 2007 06:49:12 -0700, bhaq1972 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Is there anything flexbuilder could generate and place into the html
wrapper 

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Tom
Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:

 On Thursday 12 Apr 2007, simonjpalmer wrote:
  Does anyone have a good practice for holding version numbers in
a flex
  swf file for display to the user and magically incrementing them
as
  part of the build process?

 We had ColdFusion generate the HTML wrapper page.
 It looked up the SVN revision and branch/tag information, and put
that in the
 HTML title tag.

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