Re: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
Ray, I added a feature request for a voice keyer a lng time ago. One more can't hurt. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Andrews, K9DUR Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:28 AM To: Flex-Radio E-Mail Reflector Subject: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer I am pursuing the idea of using a voice keyer with my SR-1000 and Flex-5000 (when it arrives) for contesting. I can buy a piece of hardware stick it in line between the microphone the radio. MFJ sells one for about $200 that should work nicely. But, with PowerSDR VAC, I should have no need for extra hardware. Except.. The normal mic input VAC function essentially as an audio XOR gate - I can have one or the other, but not both at the same time. We need to have the ability for the mic VAC to be active simultaneously. There are several voice keyer programs available that will use your existing PC sound card. With VAC available, you should be able to setup a program to use VAC to feed audio into the transmitter use N8VB vCOM for PTT. If none of the programs currently available will work with VAC, I can write one myself. However, the way PowerSDR is configured this is not possible. I have voice keyer functions built into my contest logging software, but cannot use them for the same reasons. The current facilities built into PowerSDR for recording playing back wave files COULD be used, but are not really convenient for contesting as implemented. No PTT control, no one-click playback of different messages, etc. They are great for showing off the audio quality of the radio, club presentations of the software, etc., but they don't quite fit the bill for serious contesting. Before I add this as a feature request, are there any other thoughts on this? Am I missing something simple? Etc.? 73, Ray, K9DUR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachment s/20071012/621f7425/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
Ray, I don't disagree with the basic approach, but what about the QRM possibilities of having two independent AF sources modulating the radio possibly over driving with too much AF gain? Reminiscent of digital mode operators that chatted up the bands since there mic was open at the same time they were operating digital modes. If the VK was integrated it would be aware of when it was engaged and mute the mic only while active. Also PTT could be easier managed since you would need a com port or CAT interface. I guess Eric will have the final decision on the matter. I see a benefit in doing it both ways (maybe both options can be incorporated in a future version of PowerSDR) -Tim -Original Message- From: Ray Andrews, K9DUR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:26 AM To: Tim Ellison; 'Flex-Radio E-Mail Reflector' Subject: RE: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer Tim, A voice keyer built into PowerSDR would be nice. However, with many software packages already available to accomplish the same thing (contesting software, stand-alone voice keyer software, etc.), it is inevitable that different users will have their own different ideas about how it should be implemented, what features it should have, etc. Originally Flex talked about incorporating digital mode functionality into PowerSDR, but (wisely, in my opinion) they opted to let those who do digital mode software best continue on not duplicate their efforts, but rather provide the facilities to interface to them (VAC, etc.) I believe the same arguments apply here. Instead of trying to implement a fully functional voice keyer, simply having the option to have both the mic input VAC functional at the same time would be MUCH simpler to implement and would satisfy the I don't like the way you did it. crowd. So, my feature request may take a slightly different form than yours. 73, Ray, K9DUR ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
Tim, I see your point. However, the QRM issue could be easily handled by determining where the PTT signal was coming from. If from the COM port, then disable mic input. Also, I would not want to take away the current Auto Enable feature for DIGL DIGU modes I see this as an additional option. Don't get me wrong. I would LOVE to see an integrated voice keyer, but I would take just the mic VAC simultaneously if it would speed things up. 73, Ray, k9DUR ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
I think many of the guys who are serious enough about contesting to need voice keyers are probably using a modern contesting program with full interconnections between the rig and computer. I think most contesting programs have the voice keyer built in. I know WriteLog does, and would recommend it to you. I think it is $30 now. Jerry W4UK At 09:27 AM 10/12/2007, Ray Andrews, K9DUR wrote: I am pursuing the idea of using a voice keyer with my SR-1000 and Flex-5000 (when it arrives) for contesting. I can buy a piece of hardware stick it in line between the microphone the radio. MFJ sells one for about $200 that should work nicely. But, with PowerSDR VAC, I should have no need for extra hardware. Except.. The normal mic input VAC function essentially as an audio XOR gate - I can have one or the other, but not both at the same time. We need to have the ability for the mic VAC to be active simultaneously. There are several voice keyer programs available that will use your existing PC sound card. With VAC available, you should be able to setup a program to use VAC to feed audio into the transmitter use N8VB vCOM for PTT. If none of the programs currently available will work with VAC, I can write one myself. However, the way PowerSDR is configured this is not possible. I have voice keyer functions built into my contest logging software, but cannot use them for the same reasons. The current facilities built into PowerSDR for recording playing back wave files COULD be used, but are not really convenient for contesting as implemented. No PTT control, no one-click playback of different messages, etc. They are great for showing off the audio quality of the radio, club presentations of the software, etc., but they don't quite fit the bill for serious contesting. Before I add this as a feature request, are there any other thoughts on this? Am I missing something simple? Etc.? 73, Ray, K9DUR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071012/621f7425/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
I am pursuing the idea of using a voice keyer with my SR-1000 and Flex-5000 (when it arrives) for contesting. I can buy a piece of hardware stick it in line between the microphone the radio. MFJ sells one for about $200 that should work nicely. But, with PowerSDR VAC, I should have no need for extra hardware. Except.. The normal mic input VAC function essentially as an audio XOR gate - I can have one or the other, but not both at the same time. We need to have the ability for the mic VAC to be active simultaneously. There are several voice keyer programs available that will use your existing PC sound card. With VAC available, you should be able to setup a program to use VAC to feed audio into the transmitter use N8VB vCOM for PTT. If none of the programs currently available will work with VAC, I can write one myself. However, the way PowerSDR is configured this is not possible. I have voice keyer functions built into my contest logging software, but cannot use them for the same reasons. The current facilities built into PowerSDR for recording playing back wave files COULD be used, but are not really convenient for contesting as implemented. No PTT control, no one-click playback of different messages, etc. They are great for showing off the audio quality of the radio, club presentations of the software, etc., but they don't quite fit the bill for serious contesting. Before I add this as a feature request, are there any other thoughts on this? Am I missing something simple? Etc.? 73, Ray, K9DUR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071012/621f7425/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
Tim, A voice keyer built into PowerSDR would be nice. However, with many software packages already available to accomplish the same thing (contesting software, stand-alone voice keyer software, etc.), it is inevitable that different users will have their own different ideas about how it should be implemented, what features it should have, etc. Originally Flex talked about incorporating digital mode functionality into PowerSDR, but (wisely, in my opinion) they opted to let those who do digital mode software best continue on not duplicate their efforts, but rather provide the facilities to interface to them (VAC, etc.) I believe the same arguments apply here. Instead of trying to implement a fully functional voice keyer, simply having the option to have both the mic input VAC functional at the same time would be MUCH simpler to implement and would satisfy the I don't like the way you did it. crowd. So, my feature request may take a slightly different form than yours. 73, Ray, K9DUR ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] VAC Voice Keyer
Jerry, Yes, I use N1MM it has a voice keyer built in. BUT, the only way to get the audio from N1MM into PowerSDR is by porting it out the on-board sound card cabling it back into the microphone connector. I am suggesting that we can avoid the extra hardware by using VAC between N1MM (or WriteLog) PowerSDR. But, in order to do that, we have to be able to have the microphone input VAC enabled at the same time. 73, Ray, k9DUR ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
