Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
John Wojnaroski wrote: you might try http://sourceforge.net/projects/openatc It died a quiet death when no one showed up for the network field test Hmm, it looks like it started when the time wasn't right. I think we have enough momentum right now for a restart. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was README.multiplayer update
Am Saturday 15 October 2005 23:45 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy, are we? No, at least I surely won't. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was README.multiplayer update
network connection to a flight simulation network, such as VATSIM or IVAO, which is based on the fsd (Flight Simulator Daemon) protocol. This is particulary useful for players who wish to have multiple network clients active at the same time. In tech-terms, PCProxy is a multi-connect masquerading proxy for fsd traffic over TCP/IP. . PCProxy currently only supports networks which operate using the fsd protocol, like VATSIM and IVAO. I think we're not --- the flightgear server/client comm is UDP based. Reading into the upstream pages of pcproxy http://www.leune.org/pcproxy/ I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... V. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... It's not a matter if it _should_ or not. The relevant details of the protocol, at least as used by VASTIM, are 'closed', Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... It's not a matter if it _should_ or not. The relevant details of the protocol, at least as used by VASTIM, are 'closed', Security by obscurity, as far as I am reading the forums... stupid. Apparently the pcproxy is in Debian (which made me believe we can interface the protocol, too) because it just forwards the packets w/o examining their contents too much. Hopefully one day we'll provide an open source alternative to that. V. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:11:51 +0200 (IST), Vassilii wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... It's not a matter if it _should_ or not. The relevant details of the protocol, at least as used by VASTIM, are 'closed', Security by obscurity, as far as I am reading the forums... stupid. Apparently the pcproxy is in Debian (which made me believe we can interface the protocol, too) because it just forwards the packets w/o examining their contents too much. Hopefully one day we'll provide an open source alternative to that. ..one way is simply set up a pcproxy box to interface between our stuff and the VATSIM/IVAO guys. Or, between our stuff and http://www.wbfree.net/index.php ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
you might try http://sourceforge.net/projects/openatc It died a quiet death when no one showed up for the network field test JW Vassilii Khachaturov wrote I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... It's not a matter if it _should_ or not. The relevant details of the protocol, at least as used by VASTIM, are 'closed', Security by obscurity, as far as I am reading the forums... stupid. Apparently the pcproxy is in Debian (which made me believe we can interface the protocol, too) because it just forwards the packets w/o examining their contents too much. Hopefully one day we'll provide an open source alternative to that. V. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... It's not a matter if it _should_ or not. The relevant details of the protocol, at least as used by VASTIM, are 'closed', Security by obscurity, as far as I am reading the forums... stupid. Indeed, and I find it very annoying. Instead of developing our own ATC network strategies if would be terribly nice if we could simply jump on that train - without violating copyrights, NDA's or whatever Hopefully one day we'll provide an open source alternative to that. Yes, but we should take into account that it takes a while until we have such a network infrastructure that offers ATC service at almost every medium large airport areound the clock ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was
Martin Spott wrote: Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: I wonder if the flightgear server though should support the fsd protocol at some future point of time to be a gateway between our and VATSIM/IVAO flying... It's not a matter if it _should_ or not. The relevant details of the protocol, at least as used by VASTIM, are 'closed', Security by obscurity, as far as I am reading the forums... stupid. Indeed, and I find it very annoying. Instead of developing our own ATC network strategies if would be terribly nice if we could simply jump on that train - without violating copyrights, NDA's or whatever Hopefully one day we'll provide an open source alternative to that. Yes, but we should take into account that it takes a while until we have such a network infrastructure that offers ATC service at almost every medium large airport areound the clock ;-) Cheers, Martin. But if it could be combined with Dave Culp's AI controller then you might have, at least, a 'silicon-based' based controller available on demand and plug-in when the 'carbon-based' controller was not available. Throw in some tts and speech recognition... Not a trivial task or something you build over a weekend. Probably a job bigger and more complex that eclipses all of effort put forth on Flightgear to date. Any volunteers???:-) Regards John W. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy?, was README.multiplayer update
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:36:22 +0200, Oliver wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Freitag 14 Oktober 2005 19:28 schrieb Andy Ross: The NAT router will create a temporary IP/port combination for the client, and this combination is what the server will see when receiving data. The server assumes that this combination will not change. But this assumption is wrong, especially with UDP as there is no connection. So the server has to reread the port from the UDP header everytime it reseives new data from the client and recreate a socket for it (and clse the existing one of course). That will result in multiple create/close socket operations per second for every client. And that will simply result in multiple already in use errors per second. You can argue that you've never noticed such NAT behavior, and you are possibly right. But it will really only work with a so called cone NAT router, which will make IP/port combination persistent. Interesting reading, although not directly connected to this discussion, is: http://gnunet.org/papers/nat.pdf ..we're not re-inventing pcproxy, are we? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/www/01-gas/fmb.no/gas $ apt-cache --full show pcproxy Package: pcproxy Priority: optional Section: games Installed-Size: 196 Maintainer: Kees Leune [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: all Version: 1.1.1-2 Depends: tk8.0 | tk8.2 | tk8.3 | tk8.4 Filename: pool/main/p/pcproxy/pcproxy_1.1.1-2_all.deb Size: 38294 MD5sum: 8d02f7c3a9d11db4938697f32e3c0239 Description: A masquerading proxy for flight simulation networks PCProxy allows multiple flight simulation clients to share a single network connection to a flight simulation network, such as VATSIM or IVAO, which is based on the fsd (Flight Simulator Daemon) protocol. This is particulary useful for players who wish to have multiple network clients active at the same time. In tech-terms, PCProxy is a multi-connect masquerading proxy for fsd traffic over TCP/IP. . PCProxy currently only supports networks which operate using the fsd protocol, like VATSIM and IVAO. Tag: use::proxying -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
