Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
Enrico Schiratti writes: Take a peek at www.first-day.org/jpgs for some examples. These are designed for a full size flight deck sim so some of the detail may not be possible. Also don't forget the five overlays for weather, airports, vortacs, waypoints, and route ETAs on the ND As far as I can tell you are using bitmaps from our software in those screenshot... could you please explain? Is it a cut paste job to illustrate what you intend to do? Enrico Schiratti www.projectmagenta.com Enrico, As I understand it, OpenGC is an original work. However, if you do have concerns about the orignality of their work, you should probably go directly to www.opengc.org and contact the developers there. One of the flightgear developers has been working on interfacing opengc to flightgear, but other than that the two projects have no direct connection. Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
Take a peek at www.first-day.org/jpgs for some examples. These are designed for a full size flight deck sim so some of the detail may not be possible. Also don't forget the five overlays for weather, airports, vortacs, waypoints, and route ETAs on the ND As far as I can tell you are using bitmaps from our software in those screenshot... could you please explain? Is it a cut paste job to illustrate what you intend to do? Enrico Schiratti www.projectmagenta.com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
- Original Message - From: paul mccann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit Jim looks great, just like the real thing. 1. they are ptich limit bars or symbol, you will get to stick shaker or stall if you pitch up to them. 2. On the 737 the dg or compass has 7 modes 1. nav (full)/ looks like hsi but really showing track not heading and relation to stored route not vor or ils info 2. vor ils (full)/ looks like regular hsi and acts like one, plus shows magnetic heading 3. nav (expanded)/ same as above but you only see half the compass 4. vor ils (expanded) 5. map /this mode shows cours line and little triagle which is the aircraft, also shows track not magnetic heading. 6. center map same as above but full compass rose. 7. plan /static map Take a peek at www.first-day.org/jpgs for some examples. These are designed for a full size flight deck sim so some of the detail may not be possible. Also don't forget the five overlays for weather, airports, vortacs, waypoints, and route ETAs on the ND 3. Compass does not behave like wiskey compass. Its getting signals from ring laser gyro and irs. So it does not drift turn wrong way or display any of those things. Same is true for A/S, altitude, vvi, etc. Everything goes thru an air data computer that handles all those messy errors/lags you have to worry about in lighter equipment. Regards JW ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Hi Jim, 1). Does anyone know what the two feather wing like icons are supposed to indicate and what they do if/when they move (look to each side of the 15 degree pitch line in the second picture)? They also adjust depending on the situation. So when at altitude and high speed, they may only be a few degrees above the horizon, so they arent always at the 15 degrees or whatever. Someone correct me if thats wrong, but I seem to remember this from a jumpseat ride a while ago. In fact, if you look at http://www.airliners.net/open.file/123982/L/ this is a 717, and the lines are blue, but you can just see them just above the horizon. Is the stuff you are doing in any way related to OpenGC? For example could their gauges be used straight on to the panel? Just wondering Tim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
Thanks Jim looks great. You wouldn't like to share the secrets of the xml code you use to get the compass rose to part show and the speed and altitude strips to work.Is it just that the strips are hidden under other layers or is there some little secret you have found.MATE! LOL Cheers Innis Jim Wilson wrote Here's a rough start on the PFD for the Boeing 747-400: http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/pfd01.png http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/pfd02.png _ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Thanks Jim looks great. Thanks! You wouldn't like to share the secrets of the xml code you use to get the compass rose to part show and the speed and altitude strips to work.Is it just that the strips are hidden under other layers or is there some little secret you have found.MATE! LOL The xml is 3D Model animation xml. There are some modifications to the animation code for sliding textures around that aren't quite complete yet. If I can clean up a few things I'll submit the latest changes to that. Currently this won't work with 2D panels, if that is what you meant. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
paul mccann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim looks great, just like the real thing. Coming from someone who would know, that's good to hear...thanks! 1. they are ptich limit bars or symbol, you will get to stick shaker or stall if you pitch up to them. Ah ok. We might have to hold off on animating those. I take it the FMC calculates their position. Is that true? 2. On the 737 the dg or compass has 7 modes 1. nav (full)/ looks like hsi but really showing track not heading and relation to stored route not vor or ils info 2. vor ils (full)/ looks like regular hsi and acts like one, plus shows magnetic heading 3. nav (expanded)/ same as above but you only see half the compass 4. vor ils (expanded) 5. map /this mode shows cours line and little triagle which is the aircraft, also shows track not magnetic heading. 6. center map same as above but full compass rose. 7. plan /static map Initially I'll probably just do the vor ils. The rest will depend on an FMC subsystem being coded. 3. Compass does not behave like wiskey compass. Its getting signals from ring laser gyro and irs. So it does not drift turn wrong way or display any of those things. That's easy to model! It's the errors that are the most challenging. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
1). Does anyone know what the two feather wing like icons are supposed to indicate and what they do if/when they move (look to each side of the 15 degree pitch line in the second picture)? The pitch limit symbols in the 737 are only visible when the flaps are not up. They indicate the pitch that would cause stick-shaker activation. 3). And does the MAG mode in the Boeings behave like the whiskey compass in the Cessnas? That is, should it be snagging up when in a 30 degree bank or should it pretty much work in a turn? No. It displays heading accurately. And, as John pointed out, everything else works too. For instance, make sure you use: /velocities/vertical-speed-fps, converted to fpm, rather than /instrumentation/vertical-speed-indicator/indicated-speed-fpm for the vertical speed indication. Dave Culp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
Tim Jelliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1). Does anyone know what the two feather wing like icons are supposed to indicate and what they do if/when they move (look to each side of the 15 degree pitch line in the second picture)? They also adjust depending on the situation. So when at altitude and high speed, they may only be a few degrees above the horizon, so they aren't always at the 15 degrees or whatever. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I seem to remember this from a jumpseat ride a while ago. In fact, if you look at http://www.airliners.net/open.file/123982/L/ this is a 717, and the lines are blue, but you can just see them just above the horizon. Yes. It'd be great if someone wanted to start working on an FMC subsystem. What I'm doing here is just display level, working with the data we already have. Is the stuff you are doing in any way related to OpenGC? For example could their gauges be used straight on to the panel? Just wondering Well, I did borrowed the rose from a screenshot of OpenGC. Other than that, OpenGC is actually a much more powerful application that I'm not attempting to emulate. I've only looked at the code a little, and haven't set it up, but IIRC the digital display textures are generated dynamically. What I'm doing here is a lot simpler (gimp and ac3d). That said, there will be an engine display, and fortunately the 747 one looks easier to do this way than the one in OpenGC. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
David Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1). Does anyone know what the two feather wing like icons are supposed to indicate and what they do if/when they move (look to each side of the 15 degree pitch line in the second picture)? The pitch limit symbols in the 737 are only visible when the flaps are not up. They indicate the pitch that would cause stick-shaker activation. 3). And does the MAG mode in the Boeings behave like the whiskey compass in the Cessnas? That is, should it be snagging up when in a 30 degree bank or should it pretty much work in a turn? No. It displays heading accurately. And, as John pointed out, everything else works too. For instance, make sure you use: /velocities/vertical-speed-fps, converted to fpm, rather than /instrumentation/vertical-speed-indicator/indicated-speed-fpm for the vertical speed indication. Yes, I got that one wrong too. How about the backup instrumentation? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Hi Jim unfortunately that is what I meant. cheers Innis Jim Wilson wrote Currently this won't work with 2D panels, if that is what you meant. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Get mobile Hotmail. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Here's a rough start on the PFD for the Boeing 747-400: http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/pfd01.png http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/pfd02.png As you can see there's quite a bit of detail missing and the roll arrow isn't animated yet. I'll be adding a little more detail for our current autopilot data (the magenta things), etc. The secondary display will probably just display the full compass rose with DG/HSI functionality. A few questions... 1). Does anyone know what the two feather wing like icons are supposed to indicate and what they do if/when they move (look to each side of the 15 degree pitch line in the second picture)? 2). Does anyone know if the compass indicator on the PFD has different modes, e.g. toggling between MAG or DG? 3). And does the MAG mode in the Boeings behave like the whiskey compass in the Cessnas? That is, should it be snagging up when in a 30 degree bank or should it pretty much work in a turn? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Jim looks great, just like the real thing. 1. they are ptich limit bars or symbol, you will get to stick shaker or stall if you pitch up to them. 2. On the 737 the dg or compass has 7 modes 1. nav (full)/ looks like hsi but really showing track not heading and relation to stored route not vor or ils info 2. vor ils (full)/ looks like regular hsi and acts like one, plus shows magnetic heading 3. nav (expanded)/ same as above but you only see half the compass 4. vor ils (expanded) 5. map /this mode shows cours line and little triagle which is the aircraft, also shows track not magnetic heading. 6. center map same as above but full compass rose. 7. plan /static map 3. Compass does not behave like wiskey compass. Its getting signals from ring laser gyro and irs. So it does not drift turn wrong way or display any of those things. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] glass cockpit
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:34:30 -0800, John Wojnaroski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000b01c1dc07$5bb19110$1902a8c0@COACH: Start flightgear in a seperate window with the socket option fgfs --opengc=socket,out,30,127.0.0.0.1,5800,udp (+whatever else you /\/\/\/\/\/\ ..uhmmm, for IPv4 addressing, I'd lose a zero. ;-) need as options) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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What's the status of OpenGC integration with FlightGear? I have a thought in mind for something it might be used for, and I might be interested in trying it out. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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What's the status of OpenGC integration with FlightGear? I have a thought in mind for something it might be used for, and I might be interested in trying it out. The network interface is alive and well. ( it is sync'd with the latest CVS version of FG ) The FMC is in the shop for a major overhaul. The display code builds and runs under linux. Limited checks and tests for required libraries. Requires new freetype and ftgl libraries. URLs provided with download package. Gauges are functional but incomplete - some pieces/symbols under development. The sourceforge CVS has been replaced. New site: cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opengc Password is : opengccvs No apologies, just a warning. There is no documentation ATM, but the email channel is open... Regards JW ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
