Re: [Flightgear-devel] b1900d nasal errors
* syd -- Thursday 26 October 2006 03:00: since it's my aircraft , it's probably something I did in the last update , No. This is a new error message has been added a few days ago. It's no longer allowed to write a nil value to a property. Nasal would turn the nil into a NaN in the C++ space, and this lead to a crash. As writing nil to properties doesn't make sense at all, anyway, it's no longer allowed. m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Keyboard Bindings and keyboard.xml
Hi AJ hello Franz, first of all: I have never seen such a good organized code and system like fgfs! Also the community is really cooperatively. Thanks to all! On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 11:08:57AM +0100, AJ MacLeod wrote: [...] key n=67 nameC/name descCatapult Launch Command./desc binding commandproperty-assign/command property/controls/gear/catapult-launch-cmd/property value type=booltrue/value /binding mod-up binding commandproperty-assign/command property/controls/gear/catapult-launch-cmd/property value type=boolfalse/value /binding /mod-up /key You can see here that the main binding assigns a boolean true to the /controls/gear/catapult-launch-cmd property. The mod-up section following that specifies what happens when the key is released - in this case, a false value is assigned. This is exactly what you want to do with your PTT if I'm not mistaken? YES! That's it!!! Ok, now I have all together what I need to create a realtime radio for flightgear. I hope that I can find time to create a working version the next weeks! [...] Regards, Holger -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph
Great news! Thank you very much for the porting. The rain stuff as well as the render surface stuff is nothing too complicated and already available in osg, but that needs to be done and tested. [SNIP] The 3d clouds are something to think about. osg can assist here but I need to think about that. I'll be happy to try to help to port/switch these. Of the above, I don't quite find my way around the 3d clouds code, so I'll be starting with the rain/lightnings when the check-in is done; meanwhile I'll read about the OSG - never been into anything except overviews there. BTW, current rain (as opposed to lightning) is not branching the scene graph via plib, but rather directly drawing stuff through GL primitives; I wouldn't be surprise it it works as is (with the same ugly artifacts...) I'll try to properly port it to OSG. I'm especially happy about the OSG transition as I have some multitexturing-based rain prototype in the works, and I was unhappy about further direct GL ugly hacking needed because of that, as plib has no m/t support. AFAIU, OSG does have it, so it's really great news. Since for the porting I'll have to use both branches, I'll be using both of them wherever you put the OSG stuff. Personally, I agree that the HEAD is the way to go. Vassilii - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] /sim/signals/fdm-initialized
fgfs does now emit a signal when the FDM has been initialized.
This can be used to initialize code that depends on the FDM.
setlistener(/sim/signals/fdm-initialized, func {
... stuff that depends on the FDM ...
});
This is preferable to setttimer(func { ...}, 0) in many cases.
It helps to avoid Nasal errors that only happen on some installations,
because the FDM is finished a tiny bit later there. (I'm not sure
why this happens, but it could depend on the amount of installed
scenery or scenery objects, number of Nasal scripts or something.)
(Another cause for errors that only happen on some installations is
the loading order of $FG_ROOT/Nasal/*.nas files, which depends on
the OS, the FS, or the order in which the files were written to the
FS (File System).)
m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Not only landing lights...
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:56:24 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Yurik V. Nikiforoff -- Wednesday 25 October 2006 07:24: There are two problems around this issue. These two problems sound exactly like the ones that we had with another light patch a while ago. It was done the wrong way (lights not in the scenegraph) and was unfixable. According to Mathias, who knows his stuff. :-) This one: http://people.freebsd.org/~jylefort/flightgear-aircraft-lights.diff -- Jean-Yves Lefort [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lefort.be.eu.org/ pgpl1wn5lopMy.pgp Description: PGP signature - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Not only landing lights...
* Jean-Yves Lefort -- Thursday 26 October 2006 15:38: This one: http://people.freebsd.org/~jylefort/flightgear-aircraft-lights.diff Yes. The main difference is that your code looks very clean. :-) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] fgfs and bi-directional protocols
Hello, can someone of the fgfs developers tell me, how I can establish a bidirectional protocoll connection (with tcp)? I tried the following, which results in an error: $ /usr/games/fgfs --generic=socket,bi,2,localhost,,tcp,fg_sqawk.xml Model Author: Unknown Creation Date: 2002-01-01 Version: $Id: c172p.xml,v 1.17 2006-03-13 15:27:14 ehofman Exp $ Description: Cessna C-172 Unable to load the protocol configuration file Error: bind() failed in make_server_socket() SG_IO_BI socket creation failed Error opening channel communication layer. I/O Channel config failed. My listener is netcat -l -p localhost, which works fine when I use telnet localhost . Where do I have to put the protocol defintion fg_sqawk.xml? I copied it to /usr/share/games/FlightGear/Protocol but it seems that fgfs doesn't find it. And the last question: How can I set a value _if_ I get a bi-directional connection? Simply /my/path/to/the/property = whatever ??? Thanks, Holger -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs and bi-directional protocols
--- Holger Wirtz wrote: Hello, I tried the following, which results in an error: $ /usr/games/fgfs --generic=socket,bi,2,localhost,,tcp,fg_sqawk.xml You shouldn't include the .xml on the end of your commandline argument. Where do I have to put the protocol defintion fg_sqawk.xml? I copied it to /usr/share/games/FlightGear/Protocol but it seems that fgfs doesn't find it. That is the correct place for it - same place as replay.xml. And the last question: How can I set a value _if_ I get a bi-directional connection? Simply /my/path/to/the/property = whatever ??? I don't know the answer to this. -Stuart Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs and bi-directional protocols
* Holger Wirtz -- Thursday 26 October 2006 16:36: And the last question: How can I set a value _if_ I get a bi-directional connection? Simply /my/path/to/the/property = whatever Just type helpCR in the telnet session. It will tell you all you need: set /my/path/to/the/property whatever m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Crippled ADD WAYPOINT and broken CONCORDE panel, when updating
Im have problems updating my Windows 2000 machine to run newer FlightGear updates! Here's what happens hope I got it organised enough !!! After this version "fgfs-win32-20060429" the Autopilot ADD WAYPOINT dialog button from the Autopilot dropdown menu is broken! Unknown option --ai-scenario=bigstorm_demo ; using latest fgrun-win32-20060916 (Does not work until installing a later version of fgfs fgfs-win32-20061010) from the version that came with win32 0.9.10 version of FlightGear, but ADD WAYPOINT stops working. However upon installing fgfs-win32-20061010 I noticed the following:Concordes Instrument panel is broken, and the Auto Pilot ADD WAYPOINT menu option no longer works, I installed earlier versions to try and find a version that worked and this is what I found. fgfs-win32-20060826 works with fgrun 16 September 2006 version and concorde's panel looks ok however stability is a problem and the Sun is Square. when I install this version the concorde panel becomes corrupt (fgfs-win32-20060912) but not with (fgfs-win32-20060826) which is earlier. file that works is dated 26/08/2006 file that no longer works is dated 12/09/2006 I thought i had found a combination of files that seemed to work for me at least the sun is round and the concorde instrument panel is not broken! until I found that the ADD WAYPOINT Drop down menu is broken. __ FlightGear Official Release Win32 version 0.9.10 with version fgfs dated 06/04/2006 once updated - it acquires broken Autopilot's ADD WAYPOINT function which first appears in version fgfs-win32-20060513 of fgfs. AI scenario option appears to have broken it as fgfs-win32-20060429 ADD WAYPOINT function works but AI scenario does not, until installfgfs-win32-20060513 this is using fgrun-win32-20060826 Regards, Aerotro **Having problems finding a new UK ISP ?Visit the review site that is voted by the people for the people !http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/censura.php?cmd=compare_itemscategory=1highlite_id=256 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Crippled ADD WAYPOINT and broken CONCORDE panel, when updating
Quoting Curtis Olson : On 10/26/06, Forums Virgin Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im have problems updating my Windows 2000 machine to run newer FlightGear updates! Here's what happens hope I got it organised enough !!! Make sure you also update to a matching copy of the base package from CVS when you try a new fgfs.exe In other words, use CVS to get the base package with the matching date. For instance, with fgfs-win32-20061010.zip, get the base package with a command like this : cvs -z4 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login CVS passwd: guest cvs -z4 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co -D 2006-10-10 data Or use WinCVS or TortoiseCVS as a front-end. full instructions at http://www.flightgear.org/cvs/anoncvs.html -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278/partner/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yard Stik 3d model?
On 10/25/06, Jeff McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt, what is your process for going from this flight data to a JSBSimmodel? What sort of maneuvers do you fly and how to get extract theFDM parameters?Jeff,Now you are asking hard questions. I'm not an aerospace engineer so I am trying to learn the process as I go. I know people do hang up a model and swing it to get the moments of inertia. What they measure and how they crunch the results to get the numbers that FlightGear wants ... that I do not know. I know you can fly specific flight tests and extract some specific parameter(s) and then twiddle your sim numbers to get that to match ... for instance, establish straight and level flight at 90 kts (+ some specific alt/press/temp), give a 10 degree aileron deflection, record the roll rate ... now go make your sim results match under those exact same conditions. Repeat for about 100-1000 other tests ... phugoid, pitch rates, flap changes, speed changes, acceleration, deceleration, trim points, control surface deflection speeds, etc. etc. I begged the gurus over at flightgear-flightmodel to help me get an initial guess at a JSBSim config for my Rascal 110. Then I took that and tweaked it in several ways until certain things felt a lot better ... roll rates, adverse yaw, pitch change with throttle change, and probably a few other things that I noticed really needed to be fixed. But this was all based on zero hard data, and only my recollection of my original perceptions ... not exactly a firm foundation. Now (well hopefully next week) I'll have an IMU/GPS unit installed in the Rascal 110 that can also record control inputs (from which I can derive things like control surface deflection angles.) So starting next week I should be able to start collecting some decent hard data ... what is the stall speed really? What is my top speed really? What control surface deflections are required to achive straight and level flight at different speeds? What is my decent rate at idle? What's my climb rates, roll rates, pitch rates, etc.? This is probably backwards from the way a smart aerospace person would approach the problem, and hopefully someday I'll learn smart ways to do these things, but for now, this is the approach I have in mind: Fly specific tests, record specific results, twiddle simulator coefficients to try to match the real results. Hopefully my embedded flight computer will someday be running nasal (no really, actually not joking here) and then I can script out specific flight tests so the computer can fly them with extreme precision, both in real life and in FlightGear and then hopefully be able to make very valid and very direct comparisons between my real flight data and my simulation results. And hopefully you noticed that much of this message is written in the future tense so bear in mind that I could just be full of a lot of hot air. I think I know what I plan to do with this, but I haven't actually done it yet, and I'm sure the real world will have something to say about my level of success, and that might (or will!) dictate at least some change in strategy along the way. Regards,Curt.-- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Projecthttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/http://www.flightgear.orgUnique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Not only landing lights...
This is light patch for devel branch of fgfs. -- Wbr, Yurik light_source_devel.tar.gz Description: application/tgz - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph
Hi, On Wednesday 25 October 2006 16:48, Frederic Bouvier wrote: I am eager to see it in CVS. It seems natural that the flow of innovation goes to HEAD and branches are used for freezing functionalities and doing maintenance release. Many big projects are doing like that, gcc for instance. It should be easier to do that because doing branch merging can be risky at a large scale. It is better not to rely on it and accept the idea of doing things twice if a bug appears in a branch and the trunk. So, IMO, we should create a pre-1.0 branch now, fix the more embarrassing bugs ( and missing features ) in that branch and let the innovation go in HEAD. Ok. I hope Curt is not thinking about duplicating the repository like it was done for version 0.8.0 :-) BTW: I presume only SSG has been replaced and PUI/PUAUX/JS are still needed. right ? Yep. I believe that we should import them into SimGear... Greetings Mathias - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph
Ok. In summary I will create a branch this weekend in SimGears and FlightGears CVS. That branch will contain the old plib based code. Whoever needs to work on that/stick with that - not recommended plib/ssg is deprecated now - can live on that branch. Past that branch I will push into CVS what I have now. Help is welcome then. May be I can coordinate what needs to be done and what is already in the works ... Greetings Mathias - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph
Hi, On Wednesday 25 October 2006 00:55, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: The current 3D clouds don't work on every machine, and I think its maintainer is gone as well. In my opinion, if 3D clouds is offered in OSG, then we should make use of it, because it probably is more robust and better tested than the one we have in FlightGear. There is no direct 3D Cloud set on osg. But we have an impostor implementation that renders into a texture. That osg builtin RenderTexure replacement is more flexible and knows a primary and secondary target. I plan to use FBO's as primary target - that should be the best choice with todays graphics cards anyway - and as a fallback something that is allways there. Maybe we can make that configurable. But yes. I strongly believe that we are much more portable and much more people will see 3d clouds. Or better everything that requires rendering in a texture ... Greetings Mathias - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenSceneGraph
Hi, On Wednesday 25 October 2006 00:34, Stuart Buchanan wrote: Sounds like a significant improvement. Presumably you haven't noticed any degradation in performance anywhere? I have no specific test set that I compare - but what I compared is not slower. Going on the assumption that this is the future and there isn't any question of if we should move to OSG, and this is just a when... My view is that the old stuff should be branched and this should go straight into HEAD. As I see it, the major advantages of this are 1) People don't have to check out a new branch to try the new stuff 2) Pretty much everyone will be testing it day-to-day, so we'll find problems quicker. 3) People will have an extra incentive to fix any issues (both bugs and missing features) if they are hitting them every day. If it goes into a new branch, I doubt most people will take the time to check it out, so there will only be a small band of hardy adventurers using it. While I'd like to think that I'd be one of them, chances are I wouldn't find the time to be honest - I have enough problems keeping up with HEAD. It sounds like it is almost equivalent to plib/ssg already, and personally I'm prepared to put up with a small level of feature degradation for medium term gain. I guess the only reason why we might not want it on HEAD is if we're planning a release before the OSG version is likely to be stable/complete. Yep. Opinion counted. Out of my own ignorance, I have some supplementary questions: 1) Presumably this means we no-longer use plib for graphics. Does that mean that things like landing lights are more feasible? Yep. There are remaining plib directories that are still needed. But At least Curt and I think that we should import them into Simgear. May be somebody can help *past* that pending checkin? 2) How does this affect people running Windows. Do they have to install OSG themselves, or does it get packaged up with the installer? I would recommend Olaf's VC8 builds. He is already working on that so that at the time we check that in we have something that works about as good the Linux port. I have an IRIX machine available. Erik may hopefully excuse me - I would try to recompile that on IRIX past it has appered in CVS. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
