Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Oooohhh, PRETTY! What is that a screenshot of? ATC aircraft v3 perhaps? Or a separate app meant to interact with FG MP as an ATC? This was an old screenshot of a standalone Java app, written by a FlightGear fellow, to serve as a RADAR screen for FlightGear. The layout is aimed at being conformant to EUROCONTOL's EEC Human-Machine Interface Reference System for En-Route Air Traffic Control (EEC report 292) - but it's far from implementing the entire reference. This application is capable of reading 'geospatial' data from different sources, like simple tab-separated text files or ESRI Shapefiles to render the countours of the surrounding terrain, lakes, control zones, any sort of tarmac as well as either Shapefiles or our well-known Apt.Dat format for point coordinates like navaids and fixes (not shown in the old screenshot). Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Is it GPL'd, and if so, do you have the source? I can actually work with Java a little :) ... in fact, I already have the JDK 1.6 installed on my FG box... Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:18 AM Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Oooohhh, PRETTY! What is that a screenshot of? ATC aircraft v3 perhaps? Or a separate app meant to interact with FG MP as an ATC? This was an old screenshot of a standalone Java app, written by a FlightGear fellow, to serve as a RADAR screen for FlightGear. The layout is aimed at being conformant to EUROCONTOL's EEC Human-Machine Interface Reference System for En-Route Air Traffic Control (EEC report 292) - but it's far from implementing the entire reference. This application is capable of reading 'geospatial' data from different sources, like simple tab-separated text files or ESRI Shapefiles to render the countours of the surrounding terrain, lakes, control zones, any sort of tarmac as well as either Shapefiles or our well-known Apt.Dat format for point coordinates like navaids and fixes (not shown in the old screenshot). Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
Hello all -- Something I did last week has rendered me unable to use FGCOM. I am running Vista Home Premium SP2 with a RealTek HD Audio sound device. Last week, FGCOM was running fine. During the week, I re-imaged the drive, reinstalled Vista, did all of the requisite OS updates, and reinstalled FG via the Win32 1.9.1b installer package; I then downloaded Tortoise CVS, checked out the data module based on the date of the latest available Win32 build from Fred's FTP site, downloaded and extracted that build. That should've put me back where I was before the reimaging (except on a much bigger HD partition -- which was the reason for the maneuver). Then I downloaded and reinstalled FGCOM from jomo's page (http://www.emmerich-j.de/FGFS/FGCOM-win_1.1.0.zip) -- which, when extracted into the bin/win32 folder, worked just fine for me before, using the generic HD Audio driver that Vista self-detected. This time, it gives me a persistent error on startup: fgcom - a communication radio based on VoIP with IAX/Asterisk (c)2007 by H. Wirtz wi...@dfn.de Version 1.1.0 build unknown Using iaxclient library Version SVN UNKNOWN OpenAl function alcCaptureOpenDevice failed with code 0 FATAL ERROR: cannot initialize iaxclient! Updating to the correct eMachines/RealTek driver did nothing to alleviate this condition. As far as I can tell, there is nothing else sound-related which is different from my current setup versus my setup of a week ago. Can anyone help me translate this error message into something I can use to give me additional directions in which to troubleshoot? Thanks in advance, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
OpenAl function alcCaptureOpenDevice failed with code 0 FATAL ERROR: cannot initialize iaxclient! It's an OpenAL problem. Try installing the latest OpenAL from http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx ? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
OpenAL comes packaged with the Windows installer for 1.9.1b. No luck. I see from the website you referenced that there is a summer 2009 update -- I tried installing that just now, and it didn't help. Thanks for the attempt -- any other ideas? Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:51:47 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help... OpenAl function alcCaptureOpenDevice failed with code 0 FATAL ERROR: cannot initialize iaxclient! It's an OpenAL problem. Try installing the latest OpenAL from http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx ? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Is it GPL'd, and if so, do you have the source? Even though it's not explicitly noted, the source is supposed to be licensed under GPL. As I understand, much has changed since the latest public version and because I'm not in hurry, I'll simply be going to wait until this partial rewrite is declared to be in a working state :-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
Does flightgear run the the OpenAL installer during setup, or does it just come with it's own dll? If there is an openal dll in the same directory as fgcom it will use that, regardless of anyone you install system wide I believe. If there is an openal dll there with the exe, try moving it or renaming it and see if it works. All I can think of off the top of my head. cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Syd, syd adams wrote: does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) I know very little about FlightGear's ATC aircraft, even less do I know about how to use it. Note that this so-called OpenRADAR (we called it this way because we were short of better ideas for a nice name :-) takes a totally different approach and therefore is probably not a 'competition' to FlightGear's ATC aircraft. OpenRADAR does not depend on the huge infrastructure which is required to run FlightGear but, on the other hand, it also doesn't serve any of the features which are unique to FlightGear, like this live chatting stuff for example Instead, OpenRADAR is really meant to be a pure RADAR console for whichever simulation or real-life datagram protocol you'd like to write a parser frontend (just think of a FLARM reciever, for example, or maybe even EUROCONTROL's ASTERIX). Nothing less, but also nothing more. Thus, in order to be used with FlightGear or any other simulation, it's best complemented by a reasonable voice-communication tool, like FGCOM - or a real radio :-) In addition to that, OpenRADAR is also different from FlightGear's ATC aircraft in that it requires you to 'configure' every sector you'd like to monitor. For the sake of completeness, a closeup with fixes enabled: http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_closeup.png Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Ron Jensen wrote: Mathias, For some reason scenery textures are no longer being loaded by fgviewer? This is the fault of the new effects code. Effects rely on the FlightGear property tree and on some custom OSG handling. I started pulling what was needed into fgviewer. After a bunch of initialization problems, I gave up and pulled fgviewer into fgfs itself. You can get the fgviewer functionality by starting fgfs with the --fgviewer argument. This code doesn't do nearly as much initialization as the full fgfs, so it is quick to start up, but it does read preferences.xml and autosave.xml and understands the fgfs command line arguments. You can, for example, set property values on the command line. Tim -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Tim, Tim Moore wrote: Ron Jensen wrote: For some reason scenery textures are no longer being loaded by fgviewer? This is the fault of the new effects code. Effects rely on the FlightGear property tree and on some custom OSG handling. I started pulling what was needed into fgviewer. You've probably misunderstood 'fgviewer'. As far as I can tell, one of the ideas behind this nice tool had been to create a lightweight viewer component _without_ pulling in tons of inter-dependencies which are so omnipresent in FlightGear. It's a bit sad that what is actually meant to be a useful feature (the effects stuff) finally has such a huge impact on the design - I have to admit that I didn't see this coming when you proposed to add the shader effects infrastructure. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? Obviously it would have to report position information, but that should be trivial enough to work out, shouldn't it? Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, Syd, syd adams wrote: does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) I know very little about FlightGear's ATC aircraft, even less do I know about how to use it. Note that this so-called OpenRADAR (we called it this way because we were short of better ideas for a nice name :-) takes a totally different approach and therefore is probably not a 'competition' to FlightGear's ATC aircraft. OpenRADAR does not depend on the huge infrastructure which is required to run FlightGear but, on the other hand, it also doesn't serve any of the features which are unique to FlightGear, like this live chatting stuff for example Instead, OpenRADAR is really meant to be a pure RADAR console for whichever simulation or real-life datagram protocol you'd like to write a parser frontend (just think of a FLARM reciever, for example, or maybe even EUROCONTROL's ASTERIX). Nothing less, but also nothing more. Thus, in order to be used with FlightGear or any other simulation, it's best complemented by a reasonable voice-communication tool, like FGCOM - or a real radio :-) In addition to that, OpenRADAR is also different from FlightGear's ATC aircraft in that it requires you to 'configure' every sector you'd like to monitor. For the sake of completeness, a closeup with fixes enabled: http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_closeup.png Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
MMM. Still struggling with this. In the Windows FG install, the OpenAL installer runs as part of the process. And, I already tried taking the two .dll files and moving them into the bin folder with FGCom. However, I found out that for some stupid reason (probably Vista and its propensity for VirtualStore folders specific to each user), the OpenAL install I did on the newer version you referred me to didn't overwrite the older .dll files. So I was in the process of tracking all copies of the old ones down and removing them manually, and hand-reinstalling the newer ones, when it became time to catch a nap before heading to work for the night. So I'll report back progress tomorrow. Thanks again for the troubleshooting ideas... Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:16:21 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help... Does flightgear run the the OpenAL installer during setup, or does it just come with it's own dll? If there is an openal dll in the same directory as fgcom it will use that, regardless of anyone you install system wide I believe. If there is an openal dll there with the exe, try moving it or renaming it and see if it works. All I can think of off the top of my head. cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Hi All, I don't necessarily see a dedicated radar view and ATC from Flightgear being mutually exclusive. There are times when you'd like to stick your head out the window to watch the aircraft land. This does bring extra complexities such as both programs needing to know air craft positions, perhaps resolvable with the help of a proxy. Maybe this is going over board. Regards George On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rob Shearman, Jr.rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? Obviously it would have to report position information, but that should be trivial enough to work out, shouldn't it? Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:28 +, Martin Spott wrote: Tim, Tim Moore wrote: Ron Jensen wrote: For some reason scenery textures are no longer being loaded by fgviewer? This is the fault of the new effects code. Effects rely on the FlightGear property tree and on some custom OSG handling. I started pulling what was needed into fgviewer. You've probably misunderstood 'fgviewer'. As far as I can tell, one of the ideas behind this nice tool had been to create a lightweight viewer component _without_ pulling in tons of inter-dependencies which are so omnipresent in FlightGear. It's a bit sad that what is actually meant to be a useful feature (the effects stuff) finally has such a huge impact on the design - I have to admit that I didn't see this coming when you proposed to add the shader effects infrastructure. Cheers, Martin. Actually, on my system fgviewer loads in ~3 seconds and fgfs --fgviewer loads in ~5 seconds. That's acceptably light-weight to me. And the w key works to turn on wireframes. Thanks Tim! Ron -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Ron Jensen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:28 +, Martin Spott wrote: Tim, Tim Moore wrote: Ron Jensen wrote: For some reason scenery textures are no longer being loaded by fgviewer? This is the fault of the new effects code. Effects rely on the FlightGear property tree and on some custom OSG handling. I started pulling what was needed into fgviewer. You've probably misunderstood 'fgviewer'. As far as I can tell, one of the ideas behind this nice tool had been to create a lightweight viewer component _without_ pulling in tons of inter-dependencies which are so omnipresent in FlightGear. I understand fgviewer well enough to know that it was buggy even without the effects code: various bits were subtly different from how things are done in fgfs. As far as lightweight goes, Ron has actually run the tool before giving his opinion. If you're worried about memory usage, well, I'm sure you've heard of demand paging, copy on write, and all that. It's a bit sad that what is actually meant to be a useful feature (the effects stuff) finally has such a huge impact on the design - I have to admit that I didn't see this coming when you proposed to add the shader effects infrastructure. I'm not sure what you mean by large impact on the design. If you really care about why it is hard to make a useful standalone viewer program I can go into greater detail, but the effects system doesn't change that much. Cheers, Martin. Actually, on my system fgviewer loads in ~3 seconds and fgfs --fgviewer loads in ~5 seconds. That's acceptably light-weight to me. And the w key works to turn on wireframes. Thanks Tim! You're welcome! Tim -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
