Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[Alasdair Campbell]

On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 21:22 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote:
> It would be nice to know who of you who have problems run on 64-bit and 
> if any one with these problems (sounds not playing) actually runs in 32-bit.
> 
> Erik
> 
AS you speak, I am currently resurrecting my 32 bit Athlon machine to
compare with dual core AMD64. I will advise you of results.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[syd adams]

Yes !
Next goal is 200 :)

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Curtis Olson  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM, syd adams wrote:
>
>> Glad you mentioned the sound type, I hadn't thought about it . Same result
>> here , "looped" sounds dont play ... but the rest seem to , ( Ive only
>> tested with my aircraft).
>
>
> Just a little off topic, but congratulations Syd, you were the one
> hundredth poster to this thread!
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[Hans Janssen]

Erik Hofman wrote:
> It would be nice to know who of you who have problems run on 64-bit and 
> if any one with these problems (sounds not playing) actually runs in 32-bit.
> 
> Erik
> 

Hello Erik,

Sound is playing but it is off at 0.0 or full on from 0.01 to 1.0, 
changing the volume between 0.01 and 1.0 doesn't do anything and at 0.01 
there's almost no windy noise and i can here the atc-chatter, from 0.04 
the noise is loud again.
Also the atc-chatter volume setting doesn't do anything, it is either on 
or off.

I am running Arhlinux x86_64 with openal 1.9.563 and freealut 1.1.0.

Hans


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ZKV500 GPS instrument; (New?) GPS code bug

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 14:40, Sébastien MARQUE wrote:

> quite off-topic: the zkv1000 will very appreciate your actual  
> changes on
> gps system. it is a "replica" of garmin primus 1000 for general
> aviation).

Okay - that's exactly the kind of device I hope the new code can  
support. I've read the G1000 pilot's manual, and I *think* that nearly  
all the functions can be provided by the current GPS code (and once I  
work on 2D graphics, hopefully the nav display too). It would be great  
if you can look over the current GPS features and indicate any pieces  
you think might be missing - additional commands, additional search  
features, extra data, or anything really.

(Airways, SIDs, STARs and approaches are being working on right now!)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[Erik Hofman]

It would be nice to know who of you who have problems run on 64-bit and 
if any one with these problems (sounds not playing) actually runs in 32-bit.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[Curtis Olson]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM, syd adams wrote:

> Glad you mentioned the sound type, I hadn't thought about it . Same result
> here , "looped" sounds dont play ... but the rest seem to , ( Ive only
> tested with my aircraft).


Just a little off topic, but congratulations Syd, you were the one hundredth
poster to this thread!

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[syd adams]

Glad you mentioned the sound type, I hadn't thought about it . Same result
here , "looped" sounds dont play ... but the rest seem to , ( Ive only
tested with my aircraft).

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Scott Hamilton <
scott.hamil...@popplanet.biz> wrote:

>
>
>   Yeah I'm in the same situation, I've deleted all version of openal and
> alut, and pulled down the source and compiled
>   for openal and ALUT, still only get "once" and "transit" type of sound,
> looped engine sounds I can't get. I'll keep looking
>   I might try the old creative labs 0.8 version next...
>
>
>   S.
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 23:51 -0700, syd adams wrote:
>
> So far I've tried compiling several versions of openal-soft ... and only
> get certain sounds , and always get an  'AL Error (atc):' in the terminal at
> startup.
> I get atc-chatter , and certain aircraft sounds like flaps , engine start
> ...
>  I've tried openal-soft-1.8.466, 1.9.563 and the git version from
> http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html
> Will keep trying...
> Cheers
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ZKV500 GPS instrument; (New?) GPS code bug

[Victhor Foster]

> That sounds strange, and possibly aircraft-specific, or possibly my
> fault.
>
> Can you provide some exact steps to reproduce this?
>
> Eg
>   - select navaid 'foo' in the GPS
>   - enter OBS mode
>   - select OBS radial XXX
>   - ... and so on
>
> The interaction between the GPS OBS radial and nav[0]/radials/ 
> selected-
> deg is probably the issue here, I am still ensuring thise code does
> the 'expected' thing in each case.
That's what I do:
1. Open GPS dialog
2. Select "airport" on "Type" dropbox
3. Enter an ICAO code on the "Search" text field
4. Click "Search" button
5. Click "OBS" button
6. Check "NAV Slave" checkbox
If the OBS is set to 0 (ie. north) the autopilot brings me to the  
destination. If the OBS is set as to center the CDI needle, it follows  
north instead.
> (and of course let me know if the docs aren't clear!)
Yes, they were clear, now I know what DTO mode is for ;)
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for reporting, I haven't had a look into the zkv500 for a  
> long
> time but I'm going to look what is going wrong, sorry for  
> inconvenience.
>
> best regards
> seb
You're welcome. I like it, it's by far the most well-simulated GPS  
unit here in FG, even though it's fictional ;)
And it fits on the empty hole on the Cessna 172's panel, so that's  
pretty good.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/ATCDCL AIPlane.cxx, 1.8, 1.9

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 17:50, Erik Hofman wrote:

> I dislike the method of using strings to story binary data anyhow.

Yes, agreed 100%.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay

[Erik Hofman]

Bob Faulkner wrote:
> I believe this person was well within their rights up until they claimed
> copyright over the entire work. Even if they have copyright on accompanying
> software they wrote to work with it, I believe they are required to license it
> under the GPL if they distribute it with FG.
> 
> I'm pretty sure claiming copyright over it and stating (falsely) that it's
> prohibited to copy, modify, or distribute it is a violation.

They clearly state: 'Software included is either released under GNU or 
contains our protected IP' which could mean they created a separate 
application that installs FlightGear, or something similar.
Then it's perfectly legal to say you can't just copy the media as is.

Software that is connecting to FlightGear using a socket connection 
could be non-GPL also.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/ATCDCL AIPlane.cxx, 1.8, 1.9

[Erik Hofman]

James Turner wrote:
> On 22 Oct 2009, at 17:23, James Turner wrote:
> 
>>  without
>> using a copy to turn the temporary data from c_str() into something
>> that lives on the heap.
> 
> This is factually wrong, I realise - of course the data returned by  
> c_str() *does* live on the heap, but that does't change the original  
> issue that you shouldn't delete or free it; std::string owns the  
> buffer and will clean it up if necessary - for example, the next time  
> a non-const method is called on the original string.

I dislike the method of using strings to story binary data anyhow.
I've also found other reasons not to use auto_ptr.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/ATCDCL AIPlane.cxx, 1.8, 1.9

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 17:23, James Turner wrote:

>  without
> using a copy to turn the temporary data from c_str() into something
> that lives on the heap.

This is factually wrong, I realise - of course the data returned by  
c_str() *does* live on the heap, but that does't change the original  
issue that you shouldn't delete or free it; std::string owns the  
buffer and will clean it up if necessary - for example, the next time  
a non-const method is called on the original string.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/ATCDCL AIPlane.cxx, 1.8, 1.9

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:54, Erik Hofman wrote:

> -std::auto_ptr ptr( buf.c_str() );
> +std::auto_ptr ptr( (unsigned char*) 
> buf.c_str() );

This still looks wrong to me - you can't create an auto_ptr from  
buf.c_str(), it will delete memory that's not supposed to be deleted.

To make this safe, fundamentally you need to allocate a buffer, copy  
buf.c_str() into it, and pass that buffer in via the auto_ptr. There  
is no way (that I can see) that this code can ever be safe, without  
using a copy to turn the temporary data from c_str() into something  
that lives on the heap.

Regards,
James


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ZKV500 GPS instrument; (New?) GPS code bug

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 14:40, Sébastien MARQUE wrote:

> the zkv500 looks at the property
> /instrumentation/gps/wp/leg-course-deviation-deg, which seems to not
> exist anymore. I'm reading doc to find the correct prop to handle.

Ah ok.

leg-course-deviation-deg is one of those strange properties that feels  
conceptually wrong to me, but it could easily be added back as a alias  
for gps/course-deviation-deg or gps/wp/wp[1]/course-deviation-deg;  
they all mean the same thing!

Also worth considering that many GPS devices would really use linear  
(nm) course deviation i.e crosstrack-error-nm, instead of angular  
deviation. This gives better performance with long legs, and also when  
close to a waypoint.

Regards,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay

[Bob Faulkner]

I believe this person was well within their rights up until they claimed
copyright over the entire work. Even if they have copyright on accompanying
software they wrote to work with it, I believe they are required to license it
under the GPL if they distribute it with FG.

I'm pretty sure claiming copyright over it and stating (falsely) that it's
prohibited to copy, modify, or distribute it is a violation.

IF they removed that one bit from the page and they include an offer with the
software (not the ad) to provide the sources, they'd be compliant.

I'm not a lawyer though.

Email them and ask them to provide the source code and a copy of the license
it's released under. (They can charge a reasonable fee for processing and
materials for that, but they can't refuse to do it and pointing you to the
flightgear site isn't enough. THEY have to provide them.)

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> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:11:43 -0500
> From: Curtis Olson 
> Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear on ebay
> 
> 
> Here's a slightly different wrinkle (maybe) on this whole selling 
> copies of FlightGear under dubious premises.
> 
> In this case FlightGear is prominently displayed in the ebay ad, but 
> later they claim:
> 
> Copyright
> This item is copyrighted. Any reproduction, duplication or resale of 
> any kind is strictly prohibited. Software included is either 
> released under GNU or contains our protected IP. Copyright ? 2009 MT 
> Software Solutions. All rights reserved.
> 
> Is this a problem?  Here's the link so you can see it all in context:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Flight-Gear-Simulator-2009-for-Microsoft-
>
Windows-Vista_W0QQitemZ180388068783QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS?hash=item29fff77daf
> 
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> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ZKV500 GPS instrument; (New?) GPS code bug

[Sébastien MARQUE]

Indeed, that is not "your fault", I just have to follow your changes ;)

grep'ing in Aircraft gives me 3 aircraft with the zkv500 installed in: 
Grob-G115, DHC3 and Lionceau

the zkv500 looks at the property 
/instrumentation/gps/wp/leg-course-deviation-deg, which seems to not 
exist anymore. I'm reading doc to find the correct prop to handle.

quite off-topic: the zkv1000 will very appreciate your actual changes on 
gps system. it is a "replica" of garmin primus 1000 for general 
aviation). It was intented to be released some monthes ago, but 
obviously it is quite delayed for rewriting, maybe for Xmas ? :) I have 
first to ask permission to garmin to get the right to use and diffuse 
the instrument texture, which is currently shamelessly copied from 
pilot's manual...

some (old) screenshots of the beast:
http://seb.marque.free.fr/fichiers/flightgear/snapshots/2009-06-25_1630/

and from today (many many regressions from 2009-06 :/):
http://seb.marque.free.fr/fichiers/flightgear/snapshots/2009-10-22_1457/

best regards
seb

James Turner a écrit :
> On 22 Oct 2009, at 07:57, Sébastien MARQUE wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for reporting, I haven't had a look into the zkv500 for a  
>> long
>> time but I'm going to look what is going wrong, sorry for  
>> inconvenience.
> 
> It's quite likely this is my fault. Which aircraft feature the zkv500,  
> so I can test things out myself, and check the code for any trouble- 
> spots?
> 
> Regards,
> James
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Photorealistic textures for cumulus clouds

[Erik Hofman]

Vadym Kukhtin wrote:
> Its look very realistic for me, only a bit shaggy sometimes.
> 
> If you like it and want to have same clouds, grab and replace this file:
> http://valeo.flightgear.ru/cl_cumulus.png
> 
> If someone want to add this texture to cvs-data, then write comment
> in, maybe, cloudlayers.xml:
> "cl_cumulus.png  was created with photos from sky.aw.net.ua"

I've committed the texture and renamed the original for future use. The 
link is in the Thanks file in the root of the base package (under data).

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fix for Citation-II gear problem

[syd adams]

I might have fixed that too , since I haven't seen that problem in a long
time ...
I'll get busy on the panel so I can commit for testing

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:50 PM, George Patterson <
george.patter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM, syd adams  wrote:
> > I,ve already fixed that , but have a few more panel fixes before I commit
> it
> > ...
> > Cheers
> >
>
> Hi Syd,
>
> I was just thinking about the other obvious bug where the Citation-II
> will tip backwards onto the left and right landing gear only.
>
> Regards
>
>
> George
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[Erik Hofman]

syd adams wrote:
> So far I've tried compiling several versions of openal-soft ... and only 
> get certain sounds , and always get an  'AL Error (atc):' in the 
> terminal at startup.
> I get atc-chatter , and certain aircraft sounds like flaps , engine 
> start ...
>  I've tried openal-soft-1.8.466, 1.9.563 and the git version from
> http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html
> Will keep trying...

Let me begin with thanking everybody who is trying to help me sort out 
the bugs.

Then it turns out the 'stable' version of OpenAL I mentioned was a 
completely different implementation after all. Bat after a good night 
without much sleep I think I've a hunch where to look for it.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ZKV500 GPS instrument; (New?) GPS code bug

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 07:57, Sébastien MARQUE wrote:

>
> Thank you for reporting, I haven't had a look into the zkv500 for a  
> long
> time but I'm going to look what is going wrong, sorry for  
> inconvenience.

It's quite likely this is my fault. Which aircraft feature the zkv500,  
so I can test things out myself, and check the code for any trouble- 
spots?

Regards,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ZKV500 GPS instrument; (New?) GPS code bug

[James Turner]

On 22 Oct 2009, at 02:05, Victhor Foster wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that this bug happened to me before. If the GPS is set
> to OBS mode, changing the course as to make the CDI needle center
> causes the autopilot to follow north, while leaving it at the default
> setting (north) causes the AP to follow the correct course. Is it
> supposed to happen? It works normally while on leg mode.

That sounds strange, and possibly aircraft-specific, or possibly my  
fault.

Can you provide some exact steps to reproduce this?

Eg
- select navaid 'foo' in the GPS
- enter OBS mode
- select OBS radial XXX
- ... and so on

The interaction between the GPS OBS radial and nav[0]/radials/selected- 
deg is probably the issue here, I am still ensuring thise code does  
the 'expected' thing in each case.

> BTW, what is "DTO" mode for? I see it on the GPS dialog, but I don't
> know how that mode works.

Direct-To. See the wiki page on the GPS for information:

http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/GPS

(and of course let me know if the docs aren't clear!)

Regards,
James


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

[Scott Hamilton]

  Yeah I'm in the same situation, I've deleted all version of openal and
alut, and pulled down the source and compiled
  for openal and ALUT, still only get "once" and "transit" type of
sound, looped engine sounds I can't get. I'll keep looking
  I might try the old creative labs 0.8 version next... 


  S.

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 23:51 -0700, syd adams wrote:

> So far I've tried compiling several versions of openal-soft ... and
> only get certain sounds , and always get an  'AL Error (atc):' in the
> terminal at startup.
> I get atc-chatter , and certain aircraft sounds like flaps , engine
> start ...
>  I've tried openal-soft-1.8.466, 1.9.563 and the git version from
> http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html
> Will keep trying...
> Cheers  
> 
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