Re: [Flightgear-devel] Segmentation fault in fgrun
Hi Fred, Op 09-11-10 22:25, Frederic Bouvier schreef: Hi m. could you be more specific on the sequence of actions that lead to this problem ? Ok. My settings file: ; FLTK preferences file format 1.0 ; vendor: flightgear.org ; application: settings.fgrun [.] browser: control:joystick lang: config: game_mode:0 splash_screen:1 intro_music:1 mouse_pointer:0 random_objects:1 random_trees:1 panel:1 sound:1 hud:0 antialias_hud:0 hud_3d:0 auto_coordination:0 horizon_effect:1 enhanced_lighting:1 distance_attenuation:0 specular_highlight:1 failure:0 failure_pitot:0 failure_static:0 failure_system:0 failure_vacuum:0 ai_models:1 fdm:jsb no_trim:0 model_hz:120 speed:1 on_ground:1 in_air:0 wind_heading:0 wind_speed:0 turbulence:0 ceiling: random_wind:0 fetch_real_weather:1 freeze:0 fuel_freeze:0 clock_freeze:0 lon: lat: altitude: heading:0 roll:0 pitch:0 vc: uBody: vBody: wBody: vor: ndb: fix: offset_distance: offset_azimuth: glideslope: clouds:1 clouds3d:1 fullscreen:0 skyblend:1 textures:1 wireframe:0 fog:nicest shading:smooth geometry:800x600 visibility: visibility-units:meters view-offset: bpp:32 fov:60 texture-filtering:4 time-match-real:1 time-offset: time-match-local:0 start-date-sys:0 start-date-sys-value: start-date-gmt:0 start-date-gmt-value: start-date-lat:0 start-date-lat-value: time_of_day:0 time_of_day_value:dawn httpd:0 props:0 jpg-httpd:0 callsign:PH-MIFI multiplay1:out,10,mpserver12.flightgear.org,5000 multiplay2:in,10,tux4,5001 proxy: io-count:1 io-item-1:--generic=socket,out,10,localhost,16661,udp,fgcom property-count:13 property-item-1:/sim/rendering/crop-shader=1 property-item-2:/sim/rendering/contrail-shader=1 property-item-3:/sim/rendering/distance-attenuation=1 property-item-4:/sim/rendering/landmass-shader=1 property-item-5:/sim/rendering/lightning-enable=1 property-item-6:/sim/rendering/multithreading-mode=DrawThreadPerContext property-item-7:/sim/rendering/precipitation-gui-enable=1 property-item-8:/sim/rendering/quality-level=3.5 property-item-9:/sim/rendering/specular-highlight=1 property-item-10:/sim/rendering/transition-shader=1 property-item-11:/sim/rendering/urban-shader=1 property-item-12:/sim/rendering/water-shader=1 property-item-13:/sim/rendering/bump-mapping=1 env-count:0 log-level:alert trace-read-count:0 trace-write-count:0 nav1: nav2: adf: dme:disabled layer-0-elevation-ft:0 layer-0-thickness-ft:0 layer-0-coverage:overcast layer-0-transition-ft:0 layer-0-span-m:0 layer-1-elevation-ft:0 layer-1-thickness-ft:0 layer-1-coverage:overcast layer-1-transition-ft:0 layer-1-span-m:0 layer-2-elevation-ft:0 layer-2-thickness-ft:0 layer-2-coverage:overcast layer-2-transition-ft:0 layer-2-span-m:0 layer-3-elevation-ft:0 layer-3-thickness-ft:0 layer-3-coverage:overcast layer-3-transition-ft:0 layer-3-span-m:0 layer-4-elevation-ft:0 layer-4-thickness-ft:0 layer-4-coverage:overcast layer-4-transition-ft:0 layer-4-span-m:0 fg_exe:/home/mifi/Software/Sources/fgfs13/install/fgrun/bin/../../f +gfs/bin/fgfs fg_root:/home/mifi/Software/Sources/fgfs13/install/fgrun/bin/../../f +gfs/fgdata fg_scenery:/home/mifi/fgfs/terrasyncdata:/home/mifi/Software/Sources/fg +fs13/install/fgfs/fgdata/Scenery aircraft:dr400-180 airport:EHRD airport-name:Rotterdam carrier: parkpos: runway:default frame_rate_limiter:0 frame_rate_limiter_value:60 season:summer scenario-count:0 My scenario: 1) Start fgrun. 2) Load the settings file above (this takes me into the screen where I can choose airplanes) 3) Click Next (takes me into the screen where I can choose airports) 4) Click Next (takes me into the screen with settings for Display, Features etc.) 5) Click Advanced (window with advanced options opens) 6) Click Input/Output (it shows --generic=socket,out,10,localhost,16661, udp,fgcom, which is io-item-1 in the settings file) 7) Click on --generic=socket,out,10,localhost,16661, udp,fgcom 8) BOOM, Segmentation fault (core dumped). There is no time to click Delete or OK, it just immediately crashes as soon as I click the parameter. m -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Segmentation fault in fgrun
Op 10-11-10 09:57, Frederic Bouvier schreef: Thanks, could you zip (or tar.gz ;-) ) and a attach the file instead ? Certainly. Thank you, I will look at it tonight -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://my.fotolia.com/frfoto/ Photo gallery - album photo http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Lightning engines
The current GIT is finding an error in the Lightning AvonMk210.xml file. All that seems to be missing is 0.0 at the end of the last three lines of the AugThrust table. Alan -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lightning engines
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:50:06 - Alan Teeder wrote: The current GIT is finding an error in the Lightning AvonMk210.xml file. All that seems to be missing is 0.0 at the end of the last three lines of the AugThrust table. Thanks for investigating that - I've not had time to work on or use FG for quite a while now, but I like to keep some idea of what's going on. I've no idea at all why I didn't add 0.0 right to the bottom of that column but if someone with commit rights wouldn't mind adding the missing three entries (I'd happily supply a patch but I suspect manually adding them would be quicker!) I'd be grateful. AJ -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather: Clouds redrawn
Thorsten asked me to switch off xxx-loop-flags in /local-weather/ to rule out Nasal. Set to zero: buffer-loop-flag = '0' (double) convective-loop-flag = '0' (double) dynamics-loop-flag = '0' (double) effect-loop-flag = '0' (double) housekeeping-loop-flag = '0' (double) interpolation-loop-flag = '0' (double) lift-loop-flag = '0' (double) tile-loop-flag = '0' (double) timing-loop-flag = '0' (double) wave-loop-flag = '0' (double) To make that point very clearly: These loop flags determine if particular Nasal code of local weather runs and does administrative tasks. There is within local weather a subsystem which does similar things to what is seen in the video, asymmetric buffering, i.e. it removes clouds not currently in the visual field and some distance away from the scenery and re-inserts them if the view angle changes. My initial suspicion was that this subsystem is running wild - but setting the flags to zero and thus ending the Nasal loops (in particular buffer and housekeeping) would have 'frozen' the cloud configuration, i.e. it should have left clouds in an angular wedge visible and clouds everywhere else invisible with no loading/removing going on (I have checked that on my system that is indeed what happens). So since the effect persists even in the absence of any running weather-related Nasal code, I deduced it must be something else. Also, I am unable to reproduce the problem on either today's GIT or my old 2.0.0 binary. Maybe someone else has a bright idea... * Thorsten -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather: Clouds redrawn
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:00:02 +0100, fiers...@zonnet.nl wrote in message 4cda9752.3020...@zonnet.nl: Hi All, I have been in an exchange of messages with Thorsten (http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7358p=101746#p101746 http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7358p=101746#p101746) about a problem that I have with the local weather in GIT versions (all GIT versions lately in fact). Clouds are drawn and I can wait for that initially. But when I change the angle of view, clouds are drawn for the new angle of view. When I 'turn my head'back to the previous angle, the clouds that were already drawn are gone and get redrawn. The same clouds in the same place. In this video, you can see for yourself what I mean: http://www.easy-share.com/1912919971/Clouds03.mpg Needless to say this is bad for realism. My FPS is not a problem. The effect occurs when the frame rate is above 40 fps. ..test ideas; cap your FG at 40fps, or back off a wee bit on your X framerate. X and FG window sizes? My machine is a 4 core (8 threads) 12GB ram machine running 64b Linux and an nVidea9800 graphics card. FGFS is run in mulithreading mode. I am flying as I type this. No processor is 100% busy and memory consumption is only 2.2GB (of which 1GB for fgfs) in total. I have 59 fps at this moment. ..it _could_ be your video card is the bottleneck here, I had a similar problem (angular white texture holes) that I cured easing my X framerate down from 59Hz to 58.8Hz. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:46:20 -, Vivian wrote in message 3c9574cdcbb34cc5b329545212bec...@main: Mally wrote ?Arnt I think I have maybe one or two lines of code in FG... I helped fix a bug many moons ago. But I like to keep my interest in case there's anything I can offer in the future. ..one step ahead of me then. :o) Anyway, it's not really about that, and maybe in fact I should not concern myself with this issue given that I really have effectively no direct interest. ..wrong, your _undue_ passivity builds a legal prejudice and precedence. The Jews were gassed because they had no defense arriving Auschwitz, effectively a _due_ passivity, since they had no weapons, and therefore no choice in _their_ final matter. ..FG on the other hand, does have weapons with teeth, Copyright Law, as the GPL walks away on violations, and the facts. Now, copyright law enforcement history, is also a discoverable fact in litigation. It still bugs me to see they way this is being touted though. Does anyone else have any thoughts? Regarding the URL, simple it's www.facebook.com (as you know) but FaceBook is far from a static page, all composed on the fly and dynamically thereafter using ajax and whatever, so there's no URL I can ..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful one url I meant. ;o) usefully give you. The advert is no longer there for me, though I do have a saved copy of the page with it on, plus a screenshot. Has anyone else seen it? ..nope, url to your screenshot? This topic raises its head every couple of months or so. So far as we can see FlightProSimm is being offered in accordance with the terms of GPL, ..where precisely does flightprosim.com, or Charles Taylor, or swiftco.net, offer source code under the GPL? so here is not a lot we can do. Caveat emptor. It is an affiliate scheme, which is very close to a pyramid scheme. ..if it adds _any_ new required condition to the conditions set under the GPL, _that_ new condition is a violation of the GPL and copyright law. It is indeed annoying to see people trying to make money out of our work. ..and annoyingly irrelevant too. ;oD However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD, ..how? That _may_ be another violation of the GPL. and we can take some satisfaction from the thought that they are perhaps spreading FG wider than we could by our own efforts. Vivian ..I disagree, until a lawyer is hired by FG or a copyright owner, the best way forward, is contact _anyone_ who publishes FlightProSim reviews, and their advertisers, etc, and ask them to explain Why In The World are they endorsing and promoting software piracy. And _loudly_. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lightning engines
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM, AJ MacLeod aj-li...@adeptopensource.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:50:06 - Alan Teeder wrote: The current GIT is finding an error in the Lightning AvonMk210.xml file. All that seems to be missing is 0.0 at the end of the last three lines of the AugThrust table. Thanks for investigating that - I've not had time to work on or use FG for quite a while now, but I like to keep some idea of what's going on. I've no idea at all why I didn't add 0.0 right to the bottom of that column but if someone with commit rights wouldn't mind adding the missing three entries (I'd happily supply a patch but I suspect manually adding them would be quicker!) I'd be grateful. Done. -- Cheers, Csaba/Jester -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lightning engines
-- From: Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:48 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lightning engines On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM, AJ MacLeod aj-li...@adeptopensource.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:50:06 - Alan Teeder wrote: The current GIT is finding an error in the Lightning AvonMk210.xml file. All that seems to be missing is 0.0 at the end of the last three lines of the AugThrust table. Thanks for investigating that - I've not had time to work on or use FG for quite a while now, but I like to keep some idea of what's going on. I've no idea at all why I didn't add 0.0 right to the bottom of that column but if someone with commit rights wouldn't mind adding the missing three entries (I'd happily supply a patch but I suspect manually adding them would be quicker!) I'd be grateful. Done. Thanks Alan -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] heads-up: startup.nas for automatic runway selection is obsolete
Hi, I just commited a hack to make startup.nas obsolete and removed it from FGDATA/Nasal. The sole purpose of startup.nas was to assign a runway uppon startup of flightgear based on wind-direction received from realwx/metar. Unfortunately, this nasal script called the command presets-commit which caused some headache. Also, the AI-traffic used a separate logic to assign the active runway to it's aircraft which lead to opposite traffic on the runway under certain circumstances. Now the runway selection takes place in the idle-loop during the initialization sequence of fg and the same code is used as for AI traffic. Please report any bugs that show up due to this change. (cool - it works great is welcome, too!) Torsten -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads-up: startup.nas for automatic runway selection is obsolete
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi, I just commited a hack to make startup.nas obsolete and removed it from FGDATA/Nasal. The sole purpose of startup.nas was to assign a runway uppon startup of flightgear based on wind-direction received from realwx/metar. Please report any bugs that show up due to this change. (cool - it works great is welcome, too!) Hi Torsten, The new mechanism appears to override the --parkpos=foo commandline argument here. That is not entirely convenient. Cheers, Anders -- --- Anders Gidenstam WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org/FlightGear/ -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather: Clouds redrawn
Thorsten asked me to switch off xxx-loop-flags in /local-weather/ to rule out Nasal. Set to zero: buffer-loop-flag = '0' (double) convective-loop-flag = '0' (double) dynamics-loop-flag = '0' (double) effect-loop-flag = '0' (double) housekeeping-loop-flag = '0' (double) interpolation-loop-flag = '0' (double) lift-loop-flag = '0' (double) tile-loop-flag = '0' (double) timing-loop-flag = '0' (double) wave-loop-flag = '0' (double) To make that point very clearly: These loop flags determine if particular Nasal code of local weather runs and does administrative tasks. There is within local weather a subsystem which does similar things to what is seen in the video, asymmetric buffering, i.e. it removes clouds not currently in the visual field and some distance away from the scenery and re-inserts them if the view angle changes. My initial suspicion was that this subsystem is running wild - but setting the flags to zero and thus ending the Nasal loops (in particular buffer and housekeeping) would have 'frozen' the cloud configuration, i.e. it should have left clouds in an angular wedge visible and clouds everywhere else invisible with no loading/removing going on (I have checked that on my system that is indeed what happens). So since the effect persists even in the absence of any running weather-related Nasal code, I deduced it must be something else. Also, I am unable to reproduce the problem on either today's GIT or my old 2.0.0 binary. Maybe someone else has a bright idea... * Thorsten -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads-up: startup.nas for automatic runway selection is obsolete
Hi Torsten, The new mechanism appears to override the --parkpos=foo commandline argument here. That is not entirely convenient. I wonder why this has worked before, parkpos was not checked by startup.nas. Anyway - it should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting Torsten -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:32:08 -0800, Hal wrote in message 201011101132.09107.hven...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:23:22 am Arnt Karlsen wrote: However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD, ..how? That may be another violation of the GPL. This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for media, reproduction and distribution costs. ..correct, assuming there is a real offer of source code under the GPL. My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under the GPL? ..adding other added value item, e.g. screenshots, how-to's etc, is either done in compliance with each copyright owner license, or in violation of it, and some owners use the GPL there too, hence my may be. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
?? However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD, ..how? That may be another violation of the GPL. This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for media, reproduction and distribution costs. This amazing software package is Yours Risk Free for only $47.00 Are they not more selling a software package rather than charging a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, which along with offering warranty protection for a fee, is all that would seem to be specifically allowed in terms of commercial activity relating to FlightGear according to the relevant GPL? I won't make any judgement, but I would advise anyone interested to take a look at their main web page and draw their own conclusions. They also state that FPS is copyrighted and protected under the United States and other World Wide Copyright Laws. Can someone claim their own copyright in this way over a product based substantially or wholly on a GPL source? You tell me... Mally - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
? My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under the GPL? Yes, they offer the full source code. Does this offer meet the full requirements of how it is to be delivered? I've no idea, but I do recall seeing a particular clause which I thought may not have been met. I don't have time right now to go back and look again, but I will if people here think there is any mileage in following any of this up. Mally - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mally ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk wrote: ?? However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD, ..how? That may be another violation of the GPL. This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for media, reproduction and distribution costs. They also state that FPS is copyrighted and protected under the United States and other World Wide Copyright Laws. Can someone claim their own copyright in this way over a product based substantially or wholly on a GPL source? You tell me... Mally They are not claiming a copyright - they are claiming that FPS is copyrighted and protected under the United States and other World Wide Copyright Laws Which is an absolutely *true* statement. It is a true statement intended to deceive and mis-lead - but none-the-less, completely true. I think they just point at flightgear when asked for the source - which probably does *not* fulfill the letter of the GPL. gl -- It's just an inch from me to you, Depending on what map you use - Jewel -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:20:37 -, Mally wrote in message ace4bad9dffe47aabb425ffa69afa...@chuchote: ? My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under the GPL? Yes, they offer the full source code. Does this offer meet the full requirements ..yes, this far, no with GPLv3. of how it is to be delivered? ..err, that can be tested, a simple request and then see what happens. I've no idea, but I do recall seeing a particular clause which I thought may not have been met. I don't have time right now to go back and look again, but I will if people here think there is any mileage in following any of this up. ..as long as it is onlf a reasonable cost-of-media matter... -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:59:12 -0600, Gene wrote in message aanlkti=wpr+y9jdz1rlreaj4nqwxup2w3xrxmzh43...@mail.gmail.com: They are not claiming a copyright - they are claiming that FPS is copyrighted and protected under the United States and other World Wide Copyright Laws Which is an absolutely *true* statement. ..it _depends_, they are in fact _suggesting_ in a murky way they and not FG owns what they call FPS copyright. They only own what they themselves has written or bought. It is a true statement intended to deceive and mis-lead ..which is a fraudulent act under criminal laws most places. - but none-the-less, completely true. I think they just point at flightgear when asked for the source - which probably does *not* fulfill the letter of the GPL. ..and that can be tested. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather: Clouds redrawn
I limited the frame rate to 30, used a smaller window. No difference. However, I noticed that with fewer clouds the effect disappeared. There seems to be a relation with cloud density. Another thing I noticed: While I am changing the viewing angle, the log window show errors. First a lot of Warning: TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9 followed by several lines of Unknown Chunk: ***UNKNOWN*** (0xA08A) I assume this has something to do with the scenery. Could it be related? m Op 10-11-10 19:01, Arnt Karlsen schreef: ..test ideas; cap your FG at 40fps, or back off a wee bit on your X framerate. X and FG window sizes? -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather: Clouds redrawn
Ah. The warnings and errors in the log window are related to local weather. They do not appear until I use local weather. Op 11-11-10 07:58, fiers...@zonnet.nl schreef: Another thing I noticed: While I am changing the viewing angle, the log window show errors. First a lot of Warning: TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9 followed by several lines of Unknown Chunk: ***UNKNOWN*** (0xA08A) -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
