Re: [Flightgear-devel] Logos and licensing
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Oliver Fels oliver.f...@gmx.net wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: ... Oliver P.S.: Noted the sarkasm? Yes, you spelt sarcasm wrong! :-P -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Logos and licensing
Oliver Vivian Meazza wrote: One final thought. We have been using logos in FG ever since I've been involved - 2004 and probably longer. In that time we have not had a problem. Are we saying that no rights holder has ever noticed it anywhere? I find that a bit improbable; perhaps they aren't looking or aren't bothered. Of course, I'm inviting disaster to strike us Monday morning. Ah, yes, at night, I am sneaking into my neighbors garden and take photographs of her in her bedroom through the window. I do this since 2004 and she has never complained. So I believe it is ok to go on with that as proprably she finds this acceptable. Since she doesn't know about it she cannot have an opinion either way, but since she leaves the curtains open she must accept the possibility of it happening. Now back to that damn guy who regularly puts his trash in my can. I'll hit him with a large stick. Good solution, if you can catch up with him. You would of course be guilty of a serious crime. P.S.: Noted the sarkasm? P.P.S. The sarcasm? Not really, I thought you were just using clever metaphor. Vivian -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] What causes this error?
So, I am wondering: 1) Am I seeing something unrelated, which just by a funny coincidence obscures an error message from the Nasal code that it relevant for me by generating tons of warnings? 2) Am I seeing something related to what I do, e.g. am I using an ill-formed model somewhere that may cause rendering errors, but something that isn't really connected with the Nasal code? 3) Or can Nasal code somehow cause this behaviour? Not a real answer to 1)-3) but you can hide this warning with setting the environment variable OSG_NOTIFY_LEVEL=FATAL to stash warning messages from osg. That leaves some space in your scroll buffer for any possible nasal error message. I've seen this warning occasionally without causing any harm, so ignoring them was the best option for me. Torsten -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Modeling Cessna Stationair 206 (2010)
Hi there, I don't see this aircraft modeled somewhere for flightgear. This looks some other amazing aircraft from Cessna and on they website we can get some information about it. I love these aircraft's and i would like to model this version with it's complete console. There isn't many things so that should be easy to do :) This just looks like the ideal aircraft for some beginners like me! These two instruments would be amazing and easy to use and i think could be very interesting. At least, i'm looking to some aircraft with some build in GPS :D I didn't find any topic on the forum or wiki and hope no one is busy on it in the background. Let me know if this isn't the case and if i should look to some other aircraft. Thanks, Kind regards, David Van Mosselbeen -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Logos and licensing
Vivian Meazza wrote: I find that a bit improbable; perhaps they aren't looking or aren't bothered. Of course, I'm inviting disaster to strike us Monday morning. Ah, yes, at night, I am sneaking into my neighbors garden and take photographs of her in her bedroom through the window. I do this since 2004 and she has never complained. So I believe it is ok to go on with that as proprably she finds this acceptable. Since she doesn't know about it she cannot have an opinion either way, but since she leaves the curtains open she must accept the possibility of it happening. What I wanted to point out is that it is illegal anyway whether she has taken notice or not. You can not blame the victim for giving you the occasion of commiting a crime. In other words: The trademark owner has the right to decide how his work is being used and (whether or we like it or not) we have to respect his rights the same way as we have to respect the privacy of others in their own gardens and bedrooms. Now back to that damn guy who regularly puts his trash in my can. I'll hit him with a large stick. Good solution, if you can catch up with him. You would of course be guilty of a serious crime. I am not sure if you really noticed what I was going to say. If we do not respect the rights of trademarks owners (unless somebody slaps us) what would be the motivation for FPS to respect ours? Oliver -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Logos and licensing
My own thought on the matter . I still don't think it's as big a problem as has been stated here. Erickson Aircrane goes so far as to supply data just for aircraft modellers providing they model it accurately with proper paint schemes and dimensions. To me this suggests that they enjoy having their products displayed , within reason.Of course , if most are asks directly , what else would the response be ? I'd assume no is a first response to prevent opening the floodgates.You'd think flight sims would be the first place they looked if they were out to stamp out any infringements. Cheers On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Oliver Fels oliver.f...@gmx.net wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: I find that a bit improbable; perhaps they aren't looking or aren't bothered. Of course, I'm inviting disaster to strike us Monday morning. Ah, yes, at night, I am sneaking into my neighbors garden and take photographs of her in her bedroom through the window. I do this since 2004 and she has never complained. So I believe it is ok to go on with that as proprably she finds this acceptable. Since she doesn't know about it she cannot have an opinion either way, but since she leaves the curtains open she must accept the possibility of it happening. What I wanted to point out is that it is illegal anyway whether she has taken notice or not. You can not blame the victim for giving you the occasion of commiting a crime. In other words: The trademark owner has the right to decide how his work is being used and (whether or we like it or not) we have to respect his rights the same way as we have to respect the privacy of others in their own gardens and bedrooms. Now back to that damn guy who regularly puts his trash in my can. I'll hit him with a large stick. Good solution, if you can catch up with him. You would of course be guilty of a serious crime. I am not sure if you really noticed what I was going to say. If we do not respect the rights of trademarks owners (unless somebody slaps us) what would be the motivation for FPS to respect ours? Oliver -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Serial Connection is broken in Windows binary
Hi everybody, I'm getting results with Arduino and FGFS, at least in a Linux environment, that's good. But I will just shortly mention there's something broken in the Windows binaries. I have a fully working hardware/software system that let's me feed FGFS with data coming from a serial connected Arduino board, it runs smoothly on Linux but doesn't on Windows. I'm running FGFS 2.0 on Windows7, with very similar command line options; FGFS correctly reads it's own new handmade protocol (doesn't complain and creates a new property in the tree that I use for checking things), but it does ignore what's coming in. Fact is the serial connection is correctly sending data, I can check it with Arduino's own serial monitor and with a Python script too. It's just FGFS not updateing its property tree :-( I don't know what can be wrong in FGFS's code, I don't even know if there's something I do wrong (but I don't think so); at least I wanted to report that on this ML. Maybe someone cares and/or wants to know more, and maybe someone has a few hints on what I should look for (just in case it's only because of me). Cheers :-) -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Serial Connection is broken in Windows binary
On 07.03.2011 22:49, Roberto Inzerillo wrote: I'm getting results with Arduino and FGFS, at least in a Linux environment, that's good. But I will just shortly mention there's something broken in the Windows binaries. You mentioned using \n as a line separator in an earlier email. One common source of trouble when moving between Windows and Linux (or Mac) are line feed issues. Maybe the fgfs parser is confused by the encoding it gets from your port/driver. Windows uses CR LF (\r\n) as a line feed, Linux/Mac uses LF only (\n). A serial port can be configured to convert the line feed encoding, i.e. Linux may convert CR LF to LF, a Windows driver may do the opposite. I remember configuring (disabling) this auto-conversion property for a serial port years ago - when I used python for an RS232 interface on Windows and Linux. fgfs probably expects \n only - even when running on Windows. Just an idea. Other than that: I have no idea... ;-) cheers, Thorsten -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Logos and licensing
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 20:36 +0100, Oliver Fels wrote: I am not sure if you really noticed what I was going to say. If we do not respect the rights of trademarks owners (unless somebody slaps us) what would be the motivation for FPS to respect ours? My point, exactly. It's not about what one can get away with, whether one will be sued or not. It's about having respect for the rights of others. Btw, for the record, I wasn't intentionally making fun of a certain person's name. I changed the first letter so that the name would be more generic. I suppose I could have (and maybe should have) wrote Joe Blow but didn't If I offended anyone, I apologize. Anyway, this is my last post on this subject. Frankly, as an end-user my opinion is just that... a personal opinion. Take it or leave it. With that in mind, I don't have much else to add to the discussion. Regards, Chris -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Serial Connection is broken in Windows binary
There is an entirely different code path/implementation for serial IO under windows versus Linux, so it's entirely possible that a problem has crept in for Windows. I don't have a good way to test it here though. Curt. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:47 PM, ThorstenB wrote: On 07.03.2011 22:49, Roberto Inzerillo wrote: I'm getting results with Arduino and FGFS, at least in a Linux environment, that's good. But I will just shortly mention there's something broken in the Windows binaries. You mentioned using \n as a line separator in an earlier email. One common source of trouble when moving between Windows and Linux (or Mac) are line feed issues. Maybe the fgfs parser is confused by the encoding it gets from your port/driver. Windows uses CR LF (\r\n) as a line feed, Linux/Mac uses LF only (\n). A serial port can be configured to convert the line feed encoding, i.e. Linux may convert CR LF to LF, a Windows driver may do the opposite. I remember configuring (disabling) this auto-conversion property for a serial port years ago - when I used python for an RS232 interface on Windows and Linux. fgfs probably expects \n only - even when running on Windows. Just an idea. Other than that: I have no idea... ;-) cheers, Thorsten -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
