Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 17:28 +, Martin Spott wrote: > "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > > > Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-) > > We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking > terrain ;-) > Send Fred an invite to the next virtual fly-in. :-) Any ideas for location? Regards George --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Christian Mayer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis L. Olson schrieb: If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of thirst. :-) Are your cooking skills that bad? What I cook, I cook very well thank you. :-) Unfortunately I don't know how to cook very many healthy day-to-day things so I went and got myself married. Unfortunately, that only doubled my dining out costs which wasn't the intended outcome. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis L. Olson schrieb: > > If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of > thirst. :-) Are your cooking skills that bad? ;) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDw/FxlhWtxOxWNFcRAkwDAKCBaK85P/69hhDbNMkTktHVvCjlYACfQo+b kjq8d8DAc8LmhItUDwjl9bw= =v6/x -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Martin Spott wrote: "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-) We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking terrain ;-) Fred, If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of thirst. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
"Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-) We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking terrain ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Vivian Meazza wrote: That fixed it - Fred does it again :-) Thanks for some a nice enhancement. Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curt > Frederic Bouvier wrote: > > >Quoting Vivian Meazza : > > > > > >>Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs > under > >>Cygwin for a while, then fails with: > >> > >>next chatter in 37 seconds > >>OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) > >>Failed to generate audio source. > >> > >> > > > >It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() > is > >called. > >Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers > in that > >case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but > this > >could be a problem. > > > > > > Interesting catch, thanks Fred. I made a small change to fg_fx.cxx to > call the stop() function first. Perhaps that will cure the problem. > > In looking at this, I notice that the current sound system shows signs > of being migrated from plib and perhaps isn't written optimally for > openal ... At some point it might be worth getting an openal expert (or > someone more familiar with openal than me) to take a pass through the > code and see if there are places where things could be restructured or > fixed up to reduce the chances of these sorts of problems. > That fixed it - Fred does it again :-) Thanks for some a nice enhancement. Vivian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
John Wojnaroski wrote: Hi Curt, I don't have it running yet, just wondering; does the code contain any logic to filter the chatter based on radio frequency/location? Sitting on the ramp, tuned to ground control, you should not be hearing calls to an ARTCC. If your practicing VFR patterns at your local field, you should hear other VFR calls from the pattern, at FL310 you should hear calls between the Center and other A/C under positive control. Perhaps some sort of ID tag(s) on the msg to specify type and other charateristics and then set the ATC chatter filter based on selected radio frequency and/or flight conditions. Right now this is just dumb ear candy ... either always on or always off. It makes sense to tie it to the actual tuned frequency, tie the volume to the volume knob (which is modeled at least on the default cessna) and do a few other fancy things. But that was beyond the scope of my time available this past weekend. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Hi Curt, I don't have it running yet, just wondering; does the code contain any logic to filter the chatter based on radio frequency/location? Sitting on the ramp, tuned to ground control, you should not be hearing calls to an ARTCC. If your practicing VFR patterns at your local field, you should hear other VFR calls from the pattern, at FL310 you should hear calls between the Center and other A/C under positive control. Perhaps some sort of ID tag(s) on the msg to specify type and other charateristics and then set the ATC chatter filter based on selected radio frequency and/or flight conditions. Regards John W. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Quoting Vivian Meazza : Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is called. Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this could be a problem. Interesting catch, thanks Fred. I made a small change to fg_fx.cxx to call the stop() function first. Perhaps that will cure the problem. In looking at this, I notice that the current sound system shows signs of being migrated from plib and perhaps isn't written optimally for openal ... At some point it might be worth getting an openal expert (or someone more familiar with openal than me) to take a pass through the code and see if there are places where things could be restructured or fixed up to reduce the chances of these sorts of problems. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Quoting Vivian Meazza : > Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under > Cygwin for a while, then fails with: > > next chatter in 37 seconds > OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) > Failed to generate audio source. It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is called. Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this could be a problem. -Fred --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37&alloc_id865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curtis L. Olson schrieb: Vivian Meazza wrote: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. I committed a fix yesterday evening. That cures the one remaining problem that I was seeing. Curt. Hi Curtis, I did a complete CVS rebuild some hours ago (when I tested whether your changes regarding the compile error works) and still having this described error (Cygwin). Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Vivian Meazza wrote: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. I committed a fix yesterday evening. That cures the one remaining problem that I was seeing. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Vivian Meazza schrieb: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. Vivian Hi Vivian, hi Curtis! Ok, after a longer testflight (autopilot, I was not present) I also had these error messages (FG latest CVS compile, Cygwin) when returning to the PC. So I cannot say when ATC chatter broke, but I think it worked here longer than 10 minutes: Error messages: AND I HAVE TO ADD: After 25 minutes running (with these error messages) FlightGear had a CTD! Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Vivian Meazza schrieb: Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. Vivian Hi Vivian, hi Curtis! Ok, after a longer testflight (autopilot, I was not present) I also had these error messages (FG latest CVS compile, Cygwin) when returning to the PC. So I cannot say when ATC chatter broke, but I think it worked here longer than 10 minutes: Error messages: playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc30.wav next chatter in 32 seconds OpenAL error (AL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND): set_pitch update atc chatter ukatc31.wav playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc31.wav next chatter in 32 seconds >> OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. update atc chatter ukatc32.wav playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc32.wav next chatter in 39 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. update atc chatter ukatc33.wav playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc33.wav next chatter in 38 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. ... Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curt > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of is L. Olson > Sent: 09 January 2006 18:41 > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS > > I just committed a set of atc background chatter wav files to the base > package in data/ATC/Chatter/UK > > These are from around Heathrow. I've set things up so it's relatively > easy to drop additional sets from different areas in sibling directories. > > So everything to hear background chatter in FlightGear is now committed > to cvs. > > After you update cvs from simgear/flightgear/flightgear-base and > recompile, just run flightgear and select ATC Chatter from the "File" -> > "Sound Configuration" dialog box. Some of the files are louder/more > understandable than others ... but it's background chatter and useless > ear candy so you are better off not trying to understand and pay > attention to what is really being said anyway. > > But it's fun useless ear candy. :-) > Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under Cygwin for a while, then fails with: next chatter in 37 seconds OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources) Failed to generate audio source. Vivian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
> It might be fun to include some of the old classic ATC > conversations: > > http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=short&publication=avflash&category=shortfinal > http://www.businessballs.com/airtrafficcontrollersfunnyquotes.htm It would be good fun to have an AI C150 circling near the location of FGFS and say "Unknown airport with Cessna 150 circling overhead ... Identify yourself!" on UNICOM! :) Andras --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Dan Lyke wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: But it's fun useless ear candy. :-) It might be fun to include some of the old classic ATC conversations: http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=short&publication=avflash&category=shortfinal http://www.businessballs.com/airtrafficcontrollersfunnyquotes.htm That would be pretty funny if someone could record them with a mix of voices and so they sounded authentic. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
Curtis L. Olson writes: > But it's fun useless ear candy. :-) It might be fun to include some of the old classic ATC conversations: http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=short&publication=avflash&category=shortfinal http://www.businessballs.com/airtrafficcontrollersfunnyquotes.htm --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
I just committed a set of atc background chatter wav files to the base package in data/ATC/Chatter/UK These are from around Heathrow. I've set things up so it's relatively easy to drop additional sets from different areas in sibling directories. So everything to hear background chatter in FlightGear is now committed to cvs. After you update cvs from simgear/flightgear/flightgear-base and recompile, just run flightgear and select ATC Chatter from the "File" -> "Sound Configuration" dialog box. Some of the files are louder/more understandable than others ... but it's background chatter and useless ear candy so you are better off not trying to understand and pay attention to what is really being said anyway. But it's fun useless ear candy. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
