Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Paul Surgeon wrote: Yes. NaturalPoint never authorized the release of the required firmware file required to distribute the Linux drivers. Too sad :( I finished first version of TrackIR support for FlightGear. There are still many things to do, but it works just fine. One can run TrackIR on Windows computer and FlightGear on Linux box without problems. There is only one problem: developer ID assigned to me by NaturalPoint doesn't work. Now I'm waiting for reply from NaturalPoint. -- Best regards, Alexander Babichev http://www.babichev.info --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:00 -0400, Julien Pierru wrote: I just asked him and he is ok with it, so go for it... Julien The modified OV10 is at http://www.jentronics.com/fgfs/OV10_USAFE.tgz I included the entire OV10_USAFE directory because I was too lazy to just pull the added files. Start with --aircraft=OV10_XC (for cross-country). --aircraft=OV10_USAFE still gives the regular OV10. Just like in the F4E, the left switch on the nav panel, BRG/DIST, chooses: VOR1/VOR1, TACAN/TACAN, ADF/TACAN and VOR1/TACAN for the bearing pointer/dme readout. Currently the course needle is alway for VOR1. The only file I modifed was Models/USAFE/Instruments/AI/AI.xml. There was a bug with the skypointer rotating with the ball since they were grouped in the lighting animation. I split them into separate animations. Comments and suggestions welcome. Ron --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:00 -0400, Julien Pierru wrote: For some reason this message seems to have not shown up on the list so I shall resend. Excuse if it arrives twice... I just asked him and he is ok with it, so go for it... Julien The modified OV10 is at http://www.jentronics.com/fgfs/OV10_USAFE.tgz I included the entire OV10_USAFE directory because I was too lazy to just pull the added files. Start with --aircraft=OV10_XC (for cross-country). --aircraft=OV10_USAFE still gives the regular OV10. Just like in the F4E, the left switch on the nav panel, BRG/DIST, chooses: VOR1/VOR1, TACAN/TACAN, ADF/TACAN and VOR1/TACAN for the bearing pointer/dme readout. Currently the course needle is alway for VOR1. The only file I modifed was Models/USAFE/Instruments/AI/AI.xml. There was a bug with the skypointer rotating with the ball since they were grouped in the lighting animation. I split them into separate animations. Comments and suggestions welcome. Ron --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 12 May 2006 08:35:51 +0900, alexander wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anders Gidenstam wrote: There are some drivers for Linux, but nothing that really works. TrackIR manufacturer wants to develop such drivers, but dislike making it open source for some reason. ..explicitly so: ARToolKit is distributed free for non-commercial use under the GPL license. For commercial uses of ARToolKit or other questions contact Mark Billinghurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..so, we cannot distribute it, as some people will wanna use FG commercially. We can however use ideas from it and|or fork it or whatever, in compliance with the GPL. If they license it GPL, you are free to use it for whatever you want. And of course, if you redistribute it (as the GPL allows you to), your users are free to do whatever they want, as long as they comply with the GPL, which explicitly allows commercial use and even selling of the software. They may say free for non-commercial use, but if they chose the GPL as license, that does not change much. Note: it's hard to say what they even mean with commercial use. In GPL language, the only non-free use is to give binaries away and to refuse acces to the source code and thereby limiting the freedom of the user. The best way to solve this would most probably be to simply ask, if it is ok to redistribute ARToolKit as part of a fully GPL'ed project. Nine --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:04:57 +0200 (CEST), Anders wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 16 May 2006, alexander babichev wrote: I finished first version of TrackIR support for FlightGear. There are still many things to do, but it works just fine. One can run TrackIR on Windows computer and FlightGear on Linux box without problems. There is only one problem: developer ID assigned to me by NaturalPoint doesn't work. Now I'm waiting for reply from NaturalPoint. Hi! Great! If you could post a protocol description ...or... (e.g. the source of the network part) I'll see if I can't implement something similar and hopefully compatible using ARToolkit. ..in principle, these are 2 very different things, legally, such as a specification and source code. If you provides the first, Anders could provide his clean room source code, _without_ needing TrackIR's permission, and legally too. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Friday 12 May 2006 01:35, alexander babichev wrote: Anders Gidenstam wrote: Is TrackIR available for Linux, IRIX and other platforms? There are some drivers for Linux, but nothing that really works. TrackIR manufacturer wants to develop such drivers, but dislike making it open source for some reason. Some correspondence I had with the with the developer of the Linux TrackIR drivers : Paul Surgeon wrote: Is the Superlucidity TrackIR project for Linux dead? Yes. NaturalPoint never authorized the release of the required firmware file required to distribute the Linux drivers. Cheers, Zach Welch Superlucidity Services. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Fri, 12 May 2006 08:35:51 +0900, alexander wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anders Gidenstam wrote: There are some drivers for Linux, but nothing that really works. TrackIR manufacturer wants to develop such drivers, but dislike making it open source for some reason. ..explicitly so: ARToolKit is distributed free for non-commercial use under the GPL license. For commercial uses of ARToolKit or other questions contact Mark Billinghurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..so, we cannot distribute it, as some people will wanna use FG commercially. We can however use ideas from it and|or fork it or whatever, in compliance with the GPL. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
RonI like the instrument (HSI) you have in the F4, so it would be great to have it in the OV-10. However since the OV-10 is Dave's baby i'll let him decide.Regards, Julien
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Great flying and great pics! How did you folks coordinate? just pre-flight briefing or did you maintain a voice com channel (speakeasy)? V --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Thursday 11 May 2006 08:24 am, Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: Great flying and great pics! How did you folks coordinate? just pre-flight briefing or did you maintain a voice com channel (speakeasy)? We used the unruly gaggle method :) Some of the participants have got TeamSpeak running, and were able to talk. The rest (maybe only me?) had to type into our IRC clients. Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
shavlir, Eow and I were all on my Teamspeak server while Dave was on IRC, but I hope we can fix is voice issue so that all of us can be on TS. The voice is really important since you can't really take your hands off the stick and throttle to type... Julien
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Julien Pierru wrote: shavlir, Eow and I were all on my Teamspeak server while Dave was on IRC, but I hope we can fix is voice issue so that all of us can be on TS. The voice is really important since you can't really take your hands off the stick and throttle to type... There are few other tools that can be helpful for formation training: head tracking and formation bot. There is Formation! plugin for X-Plane. One can record his own fly and play back it to fly in formation with yourself. It is very helpful for training. It would be very nice if somebody will develop such tool for FlightGear. Head tracking is very handy for formation flying too. I'm using TrackIR device and I'm going to add TrackIR support to FlightGear. I've got TrackIR SDK from NaturalPoint. Unfortunately, it is impossible to use TrackIR SDK in open source project. I've got permission to make small binary only wrapper for TrackIR and employ some sort of IPC to allow FlightGear communicate with TrackIR. -- Best regards, Alexander Babichev http://www.babichev.info --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Fri, 12 May 2006, alexander babichev wrote: Head tracking is very handy for formation flying too. I'm using TrackIR device and I'm going to add TrackIR support to FlightGear. I've got TrackIR SDK from NaturalPoint. Unfortunately, it is impossible to use TrackIR SDK in open source project. I've got permission to make small binary only wrapper for TrackIR and employ some sort of IPC to allow FlightGear communicate with TrackIR. Hi! Head tracking would be a great addition. I have some ideas that ARToolkit http://www.hitl.washington.edu/artoolkit/ could be used as a cheap (but CPU heavy) way to implement it. ARToolkit uses a webbcam to track the position and orientation of special figure cards (which could e.g. be glued to a cap or ones forehead :) ARToolkit is available under the GPL license. It could be a good idea to define some kind of suitable interface (networkbased?) between FlightGear and the/a tracking module - that way we could allow tracking without tying it to some specific device. Is TrackIR available for Linux, IRIX and other platforms? Cheers, Anders -- - | Anders Gidenstam | | | Email: anders(at)gidenstam.org | WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org| - --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Thursday 11 May 2006 17:10, alexander babichev wrote: Head tracking is very handy for formation flying too. I'm using TrackIR device and I'm going to add TrackIR support to FlightGear. I've got TrackIR SDK from NaturalPoint. Unfortunately, it is impossible to use TrackIR SDK in open source project. I've got permission to make small binary only wrapper for TrackIR and employ some sort of IPC to allow FlightGear communicate with TrackIR. If you use a network connection between your binary wrapper and FlightGear it will allow anyone running FG on Linux,Sun,SGI,Mac OS X, etc. to use TrackIR on a second Windows PC. i.e. TrackIR = Windows PC = Wrapper = (Network = Linux PC) = FlightGear I would really love that since I've seen TrackIR in use and I'd go so far as to say that it's the only sane way to be able to fly aircraft with large 3D cockpits short of VR googles plus head tracking. I've read plenty of reviews about other camera based head trackers both commercial and open source and they don't even come close to TrackIR's performance. None of them handle interference from other light sources as well as TrackIR can. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Anders Gidenstam wrote: Is TrackIR available for Linux, IRIX and other platforms? There are some drivers for Linux, but nothing that really works. TrackIR manufacturer wants to develop such drivers, but dislike making it open source for some reason. -- Best regards, Alexander Babichev http://www.babichev.info --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Paul Surgeon wrote: If you use a network connection between your binary wrapper and FlightGear it will allow anyone running FG on Linux,Sun,SGI,Mac OS X, etc. to use TrackIR on a second Windows PC. OK, I'll use UDP based protocol to allow such configurations. I'll publish detailed protocol specs to make development wrappers for other head trackers easy. -- Best regards, Alexander Babichev http://www.babichev.info --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
Hi allLast night Dave, shavlir, Eow^^ and I successfully flew in rather tight formation for about 20 minutes. At any given times our 4 aircraft were contained within a 50 meters diameter volume. We managed to maintain an arrow shape formation with Dave Culp in lead shavlir #2 on his right wing, me #3 on his left wing and finally Eow^^ as #4 on my left wing. We also switched to diamond and shavlir and I both moved from Dave's left wing to his right while remaining in formation. With a little more training we can close up a little better, we even managed a formation landing...It was awesome.You can check out screenshots of this flight at the following locations: http://flamebunny.homelinux.net/pictures.php?name=fgfspage=6http://fgfs.i-net.hu/modules/xoopsgallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album14 http://www.geocities.com/eow_fg_mp/I am looking for a good aircraft for this exercise, the OV_10 was good since it was stable, easy to control its speed and great field of view. However I'd like one with nav instruments as well, for future flights following a flight plan;)Regards,Julien
