Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
> Ron beat me to it, but I was going to suggest the same thing ... create > an alouette2-easy-set.xml ... or aloutte2-beginner-set.xml or something > along those lines. Then we can have both FDM's available and the end > user can choose which one they want. A git commit war would be no fun. I'm not sure if my sentences could be misunderstood, but exactly this was what I meant with "another version beside". I don't want a "commit war" myself so I see this as well as a good solution. And if helijah will provide something, I would be more as happy. Heiko -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
Ron beat me to it, but I was going to suggest the same thing ... create an alouette2-easy-set.xml ... or aloutte2-beginner-set.xml or something along those lines. Then we can have both FDM's available and the end user can choose which one they want. A git commit war would be no fun. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Ron Jensen wrote: > On Wednesday 18 May 2011 18:39:50 Heiko Schulz wrote: > > > I would like to have the old fdm back, maybe it is possible to have > another > > version with the easy-to-fly-fdm beside the original one. > > > > Any opinions about, something I missed? > > > > Heiko > > Helijah's workflow should make it dead simple to create another -set file, > maybe alouette2-easy-set.xml to load the easy fdm. All the settings are in > aloutte2-base.xml anyway. > > My $0.02 > > Ron > > > -- > What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! > Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its > next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran > developers boost performance applications - including clusters. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
On Wednesday 18 May 2011 18:39:50 Heiko Schulz wrote: > I would like to have the old fdm back, maybe it is possible to have another > version with the easy-to-fly-fdm beside the original one. > > Any opinions about, something I missed? > > Heiko Helijah's workflow should make it dead simple to create another -set file, maybe alouette2-easy-set.xml to load the easy fdm. All the settings are in aloutte2-base.xml anyway. My $0.02 Ron -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
Hello all, > Does anyone know, if JM-26, the author of the new fdm, is > reading the > devel list or has an email address for me to contact him > directly? > > Regards > Maik > I found the author on another french FlightGear Forum. Here you go: http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t504-l-alouette-2 Summary of the reasons why the fdm has changed for those not able to understand french: The author JM-26 and helijah wasn't happy with the fdm, as it wasn't able that easy to fly as they want to have. JM-26 proposed a much more easier-to-fly-fdm. Helijah is aware of the fact that Maik usually uses real datas, and that it is quite convincing. But he is just sad beeing not able to fly his own model. Just simply because helijah wants to fly helicopters in FG but he isn't able to, he replaced the fdm with the changed fdm by JM-26. It may be easily to fly- but it is horrorible wrong. The same applies to the R44 in the repository. I don't want to judge about, but I must admit that I'm dissapointed. I must admit I had no problems to fly the AlouetteII before, and I know a lot of others users which didn't have problems as well with this. I wonder why if there is a need for an easy-to-fly-helicopter, why not create a mod for those who need it? But I don't think it is in the spirit of FGFS to replace a plausible and correct fdm with a wrong one and destroy the work of another author without asking him. I would like to have the old fdm back, maybe it is possible to have another version with the easy-to-fly-fdm beside the original one. Any opinions about, something I missed? Heiko -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
Hi, Am 18.05.2011 21:09 schrieb Heiko Schulz: > >> If the drawbacks introduced by the new >> FDM are really that >> obvious and serious as you've stated here, I'd say you/we >> should take a >> revert of the latter change into account. > At least the author of the first and in my eyes much more realistic fdm has > to decide if he accepts the new made changes or not. > actually I don't have a up to date Flightgear installation on my computer. Therefore I was not able to make a testflight with the new fdm. But I had a look to the xml file of the fdm and I am 99% sure, that this fdm has nothing to do with the flight behavior of the real aloutte 2. Does anyone know, if JM-26, the author of the new fdm, is reading the devel list or has an email address for me to contact him directly? Regards Maik -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
> > In general I'd recommend first to discuss the item with the > author of > the change. In general it is my prefered way as well. With any author just but not this one for some reasons. > If the drawbacks introduced by the new > FDM are really that > obvious and serious as you've stated here, I'd say you/we > should take a > revert of the latter change into account. At least the author of the first and in my eyes much more realistic fdm has to decide if he accepts the new made changes or not. > Cheers, > Martin - being a veritable admirer of > the old Alouette II (the > > real one, I mean). Thanks Heiko -beeing a veritable admirer of the real one as well - I miss the sound- -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by
Heiko Schulz wrote: > I hate to say it, but the the new fdm is completly wrong and doesn't > apply to the real one in any way. In general I'd recommend first to discuss the item with the author of the change. If the drawbacks introduced by the new FDM are really that obvious and serious as you've stated here, I'd say you/we should take a revert of the latter change into account. Cheers, Martin - being a veritable admirer of the old Alouette II (the real one, I mean). -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] GIT commit 31819df8: Alouette II - New FDM by JM-26
Hello, I just noticed that the Alouette II fdm has been replaced by a new fdm, which was originally made by Maik Justus. That's sad. As I know Maik Justus always uses a lot of real datas for the fdm's, based on pilot reports and real manuals as long it can be get free in the web. I hate to say it, but the the new fdm is completly wrong and doesn't apply to the real one in any way. It begins with the rotor turn direction- it is now counterclockwise which is wrong as the AlouetteII is a french helicopter with a french rotor system.(clockwise!) Rotor RPM is wrong, it has now even the equal value like the new model of the R44 uses as well. (the R44-model -3d and fdm is another story... :-( ) Other values are completly wrongs as well, like the rellenflaphinge and a lot of others which can easily extracted from drawings. And of course the real Alouette II had never any SAS or similar control systems. The YASim helicopter-fdm is indeed really accurate beside the known issues vortex ring state, sliding and lacking detailed engine support. All other things are accurate, and compared to X-Plane even more exact and easier to configurate. With the right datas you can be sure that the helicopter-fdm is matching quite close to the real one in behaviour and reactions. I always thought FlightGear stands for a realistic simulator, trying to make things right and accurate as possible. It seems to me that isn't longer true when I look at this contributions. Another thing I noticed accidently yesterday: NBC seems to try more and more removing videos taken from their Airwolf-TV-series on youtube.com There are so many I doubt that they are really able to remove them all. But all sounds and the music themes are of course copyrighted by them. The Bell-222X in FlightGear makes use of the typical Airwolf-whining (hurlement.wav) which seems taken from the TV-series. Apart from the fact that the real Bell222 doesn't sounds like that of course, it doesn't really apply to GNU GPL. It may be better to remove this soundfile. Kind Regards Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html -- What Every C/C++ and Fortran developer Should Know! Read this article and learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help Windows* and Linux* C/C++ and Fortran developers boost performance applications - including clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
