[Flightgear-devel] Service update
This was way too long in coming, but I have done a few service updates. 1. The master ftp.*gear.org server was having stability problems for some time now and would crash every couple days. I never got to the bottom of the problem ... I fully replaced the motherboard, cpu, and memory at one point. The kernel would periodically dump out dazed and confused messages to the console and eventually after a few days the machine would just lock up. This started after a kernel upgrade, so my best guess (not that it matters anymore) is that there was some driver bug or incompatibility with this older hardware and the newer linux kernel. I have completely removed that hardware and consolidated ftp and cvs services on a single machine ( baron.flightgear.org.) 2. I also noticed that www.simgear.org and www.terragear.org had gone off line when my department here redid some IP address space. I missed that, and only one person complained and only very recently, but those services should be back online now. 3. I suspect I need to spend some time reviving the anonymous rsync server, but I haven't had a chance to look into that yet. No one has complained though so I assume it is not very popular and thus a lower priority. 4. I plan to continue to tinker with setting up a test svn service with a snapshot conversion of flightgear's cvs repository. For now this will be for test and play only. I realize that selecting a revision control system is close to a religion for some folks (just like picking an OS, or a text editor, or a web browser, or a mail client, or a computer case color.) There has been many intelligent and useful comments posted to the list in support of various packages and I appreciate how much people care about this issue. But we have to support all our users and developers and we need to pick a system that all our developers can run smoothly on their favorite OS. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Service update
Curtis Olson wrote: 3. I suspect I need to spend some time reviving the anonymous rsync server, but I haven't had a chance to look into that yet. No one has complained though so I assume it is not very popular and thus a lower priority. From my point of view this is not the correct conclusion. Instead, I simply assume that it doesn't make any difference wether I complain or not. So I remain looking at the regular error messages from the mirror jobs and waiting until the machine is back in service :-) 4. [... Source Code Management ...] There has been many intelligent and useful comments posted to the list in support of various packages and I appreciate how much people care about this issue. But we have to support all our users and developers and we need to pick a system that all our developers can run smoothly on their favorite OS. Curt, apparently you insist on getting things wrong. Yes, I do prefer using GIT and I agree with _everything_ that Melchior has been adding to this discussion (including him taking back the paragraph about disk usage). But this is _not_ the point !! In fact we didn't have a _single_ !! person stating that MSysGit does not work. There was a sole person claiming that he didn't get it to work, but was uncertain wether he knew how to use it properly. Period. The remaining statements concerning GIT on Windows have been nothing but guesses and assumptions (better known as FUD) and I expect an experienced project coordinator being able to tell the difference. _This_ is the point which sheds an ugly light onto the whole topic. Adding to that, you have still failed to deliver a reason (aside from spreading FUD) why the project should _not_ have _one_ official GIT mirror of the existing CVS (or maybe SVN) repositories - no matter who's going to run it in the end. In the end, you're wasting developer resources by thwarting the efficiency of not all but at least some of the involved people and you don't have a single point. This is really getting somewhat problematic. Regards, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Service update
Curtis Olson wrote: When I researched the topic, I saw over and over again that the biggest knock against git is that it does not have good support for windows. That has been repeated on this list by more than just me. Yes, GIT has had pretty bad Windows support for a long time. Yes, I didn't check it (simply because I don't have a Windows machine). On the other hand, we both know that bad news of this doesn't work on Windows-type have a very long half-life, so unless someone who's reasonably skilled wrt. using SCM systems does a test, there's simply nothing to put your bet on for the current state. Until someone from our project actually tries this on a windows system (possibly you could even test it?) then we are all apparently spreading FUD including you. No, I'm not spreading FUD, at least I don't claim that MSysGit works. Instead, I do claim that having _one_ official GIT mirror for those who'd like to use it, is an overall benefit for the project. Please don't put words into my mouth which I have not said. [...] I'm sorry you are so frustrated by this issue, but I would appreciate if you keep your comments fair and professional. :-( I repeat: You have not shown to have a point against introducing an official (or 'authoritative') GIT mirror. Please explain to me what you consider to be unprofessional about this claim ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Service update
Curtis Olson wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my point of view this is not the correct conclusion. Instead, I simply assume that it doesn't make any difference wether I complain or not. So I remain looking at the regular error messages from the mirror jobs and waiting until the machine is back in service :-) I appreciate your perspective. :-) Curt, apparently you insist on getting things wrong. Yes, I do prefer using GIT and I agree with _everything_ that Melchior has been adding to this discussion (including him taking back the paragraph about disk usage). But this is _not_ the point !! In fact we didn't have a _single_ !! person stating that MSysGit does not work. There was a sole person claiming that he didn't get it to work, but was uncertain wether he knew how to use it properly. Period. The remaining statements concerning GIT on Windows have been nothing but guesses and assumptions (better known as FUD) and I expect an experienced project coordinator being able to tell the difference. When I researched the topic, I saw over and over again that the biggest knock against git is that it does not have good support for windows. That has been repeated on this list by more than just me. I have not tested it personally on windows, but it appears that neither have you. Just because I saw something on the web, doesn't mean it's true, but there does seem to be a general web consensus here, and you have given no information that can be used to disprove this web consensus. _This_ is the point which sheds an ugly light onto the whole topic. Adding to that, you have still failed to deliver a reason (aside from spreading FUD) why the project should _not_ have _one_ official GIT mirror of the existing CVS (or maybe SVN) repositories - no matter who's going to run it in the end. In the end, you're wasting developer resources by thwarting the efficiency of not all but at least some of the involved people and you don't have a single point. This is really getting somewhat problematic. Until someone from our project actually tries this on a windows system (possibly you could even test it?) then we are all apparently spreading FUD including you. If you have not tested git on windows and have not found a nice front end, then you cannot say for sure that it works and works well (which is important in the face of all the web based reports that it doesn't work or doesn't work well or easily.) If our windows developers have also not tested it, then they cannot say for sure that it does or does not work. In the mean time, we know that SVN does work pretty good. I'm sorry you are so frustrated by this issue, but I would appreciate if you keep your comments fair and professional. :-( Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel I'll give msysgit a try. Are there known issues with it that I should be looking for? Also, timoore indicated on IRC that msysgit does work, but that TortoiseCVS/SVN users might find things that are surprising or less convenient. jentron did some testing and noted that, by default, msysgit converts unix2dos/dos2unix automatically. That looks like a dangerous default setting to me. I hesitate to trust it to not screw something up. Maybe the biggest issue is that git's UI isn't Windowsy enough? Do we have any windows TortoiseCVS users/contributors who wouldn't be able to cope with a command line or otherwise foreign UI? - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Service update
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I repeat: You have not shown to have a point against introducing an official (or 'authoritative') GIT mirror. Please explain to me what you consider to be unprofessional about this claim ? I have never attempted to make a point against introducing an authoritative GIT mirror. I have only suggested that we do one thing at a time because I am a terrible multi-tasker and my non-work time has limits. I would like to take a serious look at migrating from CVS to SVN first. Then I am willing to take a serious look at GIT. I have suggested that the process of taking a serious look at GIT does involve taking a serious look at all the platforms it supports because there are reports of potential problems. That is a hurdle we need to clear. We have established that none of us know if it's a small hurdle, a big hurdle, or no hurdle at all, but that will be part of the process of taking a serious look at GIT. Again, I apologize if you do not like my road map or the number of miles I am able to travel in a day. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
